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[Sylvius the Mad]

Truesteel Prime wrote...

Bioware gets to choose which contracts to sign and who publishes their games.

Uhh, no they don't.  EA owns BioWare.  They have since 2009. 

[why bioware why]

thats funny because I bought new vegas on the first day for 50 dollars.



Good thing too because its 2x as good as anything bioware has ever done except maybe KOTOR.



Bioware lost a sale from me, just saying.

[HomemComH]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

HomemComH wrote...

$60 for a digital version of a pc game is some bull****.

Why does it matter that it's digital?  Digital games aren't usually cheaper than physical games.

Let me make that better:

$60 for a PC game is some bull****, unless it's some fancy CE or something.

Edit: BioWare made Baldur's Gate 2 guy whose post is above mine.

Modifié par HomemComH, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:45 .

[pkmn]

I have to agree with the people saying $50 for PC version is a bit uncalled for. The reason console versions are $10 more is because of fees associated with publishing on consoles. Charging $10 more for the PC version is just greedy.



People in this thread have commented that they won't be buying the game because it is $60. This isn't due to it being too expensive, more the principle. Charging $10 extra over standard price just comes off as greedy. Will these people just live without Dragon Age 2? No, I'd bet a lot of them just turn to piracy.



I'm lucky I got this preordered on Amazon.com when they had the price at $50. I definitely wouldn't purchase a single player game for $60.

[Draythe]

 I will not buy this game unless the price is kept as it always has been.

[IRMcGhee]

HomemComH wrote...

Hey you can buy The Witcher 2 for $45.

Just saying.

You can get DA2 for $40 if you shop around. Just saying.

[Revan312]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Why does it matter that it's digital?  Digital games aren't usually cheaper than physical games.

No, but they should, all things being fair...... though business is never fair.. so.. ya, I just shot my own argument down

[VanillaTr]

**** Bioware I wanted to give this game a shot but for $60 and all the dlc they are going to be releasing in the future they can **** right off, I'll be over here enjoying The Witcher 2 a better game from a better company with a better price tag

[Revan312]

VanillaTr wrote...

**** Bioware I wanted to give this game a shot but for $60 and all the dlc they are going to be releasing in the future they can **** right off, I'll be over here enjoying The Witcher 2 a better game from a better company with a better price tag

I'm 99% sure that EA handles the pricing and distribution policies of their subsidary game developers. Just saying.. Blame EA if anyone..

[Truesteel Prime]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Truesteel Prime wrote...

Actual it DOES make a difference. If the argument to justify the price hike of PC games is that development costs are now higher, why are console games not seeing a rise to $70?

But that's not the justification.  The justification I'm offering is that the dollars you're using the measure the price are now worth less, so something priced the same will now have a higher dollar-value.

If console prices haven't changed, then there's soe other confounding factor.  Perhaps the console manufacturers have locked all the publishers into a fixed price per generation.  I don't know.  I'm not privy to their contracts.

Since PC game retailing is a much more open market, it's easier to see what's happening.

The whole point was that the costs haven't gone up at all

Who cares if the costs have gone up?  The costs have nothing to do with the price.  Ever.  That's not how prices are set.

If inflation is your argument then the prices of console games would have gone up as well. You lose again bud. 

[IRMcGhee]

So, 2 people sign up within 10 minutes to post the same whine ? Not suspicious at all.

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:06 .

[Morroian]

Truesteel Prime wrote...

They are making this game into a day 1 pirate.

It doesn't justify piracy. Not when you know the price will fall, I buy most games on Steam or Impulse sales now mostly for $30 or less. Heck you can probably pre-order it now for a lot less than $60 if you shop around. 

[Fibrous]

DSerpa wrote...

$10 is the price of lunch at Taco Bell. Is it really a dealbreaker for you?

It's different. When you choose to do things, even if those things are small and unimpacting, the fact that you choose to do those things sends a message. And what those things are sends another message.

Hints of criticism that Dragon Age 2 might be taking the wrong developmental direction for the sake of increased profit from people less interested in the series have been emerging ever since the game has first peaked out of the unknown, and the extra price tag (which, might I add, has always been exclusive to games like Call of Duty: 4, where 5-map DLC packs cost a quarter of the game price) does all but confirm that Bioware's taking the game in a less than reputable direction.

It's evidenced in the extreme contrasts between Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 that this won't be the first time Bioware does the thing known as "Selling Out", which sacrifices particular gameplay mechanics, styles, and content for the sake of making the game more streamlined and ergo, making the game appeal to a larger market.

You'll find that many indie developers, who create games for the sake of creating games and not for the sake of profit, remain small because their video games apply to a very specific group of people. And that specificity is what those specific people love about the game.

I loved Mass Effect 1 and Dragon Age: Origins to death, but I feel like Bioware is taking a step in the wrong direction and will be sacrificing the eruditious nature of the originals for the sake of a larger fanbase.

Similarly to series like Call of Duty and Halo, which, if you'll ask anyone who's objective opinion is "I like video games, and CoD and Halo were alright and nothing more/less", will say, "I liked Call of Duty 1, 2, and 3 and Halo 1 and 2 a lot better than the sequels."

The first two examples I saw of DA2 heading in what I and many others consider "The Wrong Direction" were:

1) When DA:2's dialogue system was reduced to ME2's level of simplicity, and if the main character is voice acted, of course you know there will be less content in general.
2) When they removed classes and origins, which, in my opinion, were probably the most enjoyable parts of DA:O anyway.

My two cents. I know DA:2 will be a huge marketing success, I'll probably give it a shot. But I do not expect it to be better and/or equal in terms of quality with its prequel, and I know I'm not alone on that shoulder.

edit: typo

Modifié par Fibrous, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:08 .

[HomemComH]

IRMcGhee wrote...

HomemComH wrote...

Hey you can buy The Witcher 2 for $45.

Just saying.

You can get DA2 for $40 if you shop around. Just saying.

On PC? Can I get buy it from Brazil?

[IRMcGhee]

You'd have to order it from the UK, so the shipping might not make it much cheaper for you. Don't know offhand.

[LokiTheMan]

the hell are you guys talking bout?

[EclipticOlive54]

IRMcGhee wrote...

So, 2 people sign up within 10 minutes to post the same whine ? Not suspicious at all.

I see it

[Monstruo696]

IRMcGhee wrote...

So, 2 people sign up within 10 minutes to post the same whine ? Not suspicious at all.

Someone made a thread on 4chan about it with a link to this thread.

Also, 

I will not buy this game until they release an "ultimate edition" and the price is at $50.  I'm tired of showing dedication by pre-ordering the game for full price only to have Bioware sell the entire game, the expansion, and all the DLC for the same amount some time later.

Maybe once Bioware stops treating me like a costumer instead of a sheep, I'll start buying their games again.

Modifié par Monstruo696, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:19 .

[ngoing]

I'm not going to support $60 pc games like Call of Duty does. PC games are 10 dollars less to help stop pirating, but since it's not 10 dollars less, I think you know what you can expect even more now.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

If I could pay BioWare $400.00 a year and get all their games and all the DLC they release a week before everyone else I would do it in a heartbeat. I would demand a pretty gold frame around my posts though.

[Stanley Woo]

if you look at our forum's history, Fibrous, i think you'll find that people get rather attached to our games, and whenever they see a change to our supposed formula, they have no trouble letting us know that the old ways are the best ways and change is always the result of us selling out for profit and betraying our loyal fans who pay our salaries and whatnot.



Surprisingly, some people get so angry and hope we "correct" things that they wish us ill and hope we go out of business. it's funny how "loyalty" works for some of our haters and how convenient it is to turn it off whenever they disagree with a decision.



What I wholeheartedly support is for gamers to let us know when they disagree with something we do. We enjoy hearing feedback from our fans and gamers. We also enjoy hearing suggestions about what people would like to see, what people would prefer not to see, and suggest ways in which we can do better on the next project. Note that I specifically said "suggestion." Keep in mind that if you cannot tolerate a dissenting view, then your "suggestion" is anything but. If you cannot accept that we might disagree with you, your "suggestion" then becomes a sort of demand, doesn't it? and it's far more difficult for us to listen when you're making demands of us, like we're your employees or something.



So, suggestions awesome. Demands, not so much. And please, we're attracted to honey, not vinegar. Even if you vehemently disagree with us, please at least show us some common courtesy and respect, and leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation. We love you guys, but man, sometimes it is very difficult to talk to y'all.



Thank you all for your support, constructive criticism, and suggestions, and let's keep it civil so this discussion can continue.

[slimgrin]

IRMcGhee wrote...

HomemComH wrote...

Hey you can buy The Witcher 2 for $45.

Just saying.

You can get DA2 for $40 if you shop around. Just saying.

Really? Where?

[Fibrous]

...leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation.

I don't remember doing any of that.

[Weeman0313]

You know what? yes a few games are now $60.00 on the PC, but do you see what games were the first to be that price? If they had a reason to justify this price increase other than activision did it then im extremely disappointed in bioware/EA. Bobby Kotick has become one of the most hated individuals in the gaming community, Please don't follow the same road.

[Vawugz]

I wonder how many of these accounts, that were created today, were going to pirate it anyways.