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[IRMcGhee]

[quote]slimgrin wrote...
You can get DA2 for $40 if you shop around. Just saying.
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Really? Where?
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"You'd have to order it from the UK, so the shipping might not make it much cheaper for you. Don't know offhand."

Gamestation in my case.

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:33 .

[Stanley Woo]

ngoing wrote...
I'm not going to support $60 pc games like Call of Duty does. PC games are 10 dollars less to help stop pirating, but since it's not 10 dollars less, I think you know what you can expect even more now.

Please don't use the threat of piracy to encourage companies to lower prices. You probably don't like it when companies use piracy as an excuse for increased use of DRM or increased prices. Also, we are not discussing, condoning, or advocating software piracy here. Thank you.

[Truesteel Prime]

Stanley Woo wrote...

if you look at our forum's history, Fibrous, i think you'll find that people get rather attached to our games, and whenever they see a change to our supposed formula, they have no trouble letting us know that the old ways are the best ways and change is always the result of us selling out for profit and betraying our loyal fans who pay our salaries and whatnot.

Surprisingly, some people get so angry and hope we "correct" things that they wish us ill and hope we go out of business. it's funny how "loyalty" works for some of our haters and how convenient it is to turn it off whenever they disagree with a decision.

What I wholeheartedly support is for gamers to let us know when they disagree with something we do. We enjoy hearing feedback from our fans and gamers. We also enjoy hearing suggestions about what people would like to see, what people would prefer not to see, and suggest ways in which we can do better on the next project. Note that I specifically said "suggestion." Keep in mind that if you cannot tolerate a dissenting view, then your "suggestion" is anything but. If you cannot accept that we might disagree with you, your "suggestion" then becomes a sort of demand, doesn't it? and it's far more difficult for us to listen when you're making demands of us, like we're your employees or something.

So, suggestions awesome. Demands, not so much. And please, we're attracted to honey, not vinegar. Even if you vehemently disagree with us, please at least show us some common courtesy and respect, and leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation. We love you guys, but man, sometimes it is very difficult to talk to y'all.

Thank you all for your support, constructive criticism, and suggestions, and let's keep it civil so this discussion can continue.

Honestly I haven't seen much of anything but people complaining about the price point of the new game in this thread. I fully believe that everything that Bioware pumps out is solid gold, but after buying your guys games for so long, a price hike and an increase in paid, day 1 DLC kinda feels like a slap in the face (or the wallet).

[RandomVillager42]

Was going to comment for an opinion from one of the Bioware employee's, but I see Stanley already done so. Ironicly he has posted with a Volus avatar, but that's besides the point.



Anyway, I am not going to buy DA2. I might change my mind in the future after watching some videos of it, though it it doubtfull.



I would love to see if one of the Bioware staff could make a comment to change my mind, but I doubt it's that important. I'll keep track of this thread and see what people think of this $60 purchase, though I was already spending $60+ for recent Bioware games.

[Stanley Woo]

Fibrous wrote...

...leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation.

I don't remember doing any of that.

That was a more general note to everyone, sorry.

[Fibrous]

I fully believe that everything that Bioware pumps out is solid gold, but after buying your guys games for so long, a price hike and an increase in paid, day 1 DLC kinda feels like a slap in the face (or the wallet).

Exactly.

edit: I ought to be more specific

Modifié par Fibrous, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:41 .

[Revan312]

Stanley Woo wrote...
and leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation.

Was that pointed towards me?  I admit I got waaaay off topic with some others there.. But I don't consider it doomsaying so much as rational observation, analysis and interpretation within historical context.. Perhaps some of the wording was a bit dramatic

Anyway, I'll try and refrain from spouting off about national economic issues on a game forum..

Modifié par Revan312, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:43 .

[Skellimancer]

$60?



Woah. Glad i pay in sterling.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

wolfsite wrote...

A few companies decided to try releasing PC games at $59.99 to test the waters (Call of Duty: Black Ops, ETC) and people bought it, so now PC games are $59.99.

Or it could be inflation I have noticed the price of quite a few items going up In the new year.

Its not inflation, its greed, and sadly people will still gladly pay. *flips off the activision CEO that started this crap*

[Arkaelis]

Well, I for one don't like the direction this game is going in to begin with.



The additional $10 price hike just adds to my personal list of reasons why I will NOT be buying this.

Maybe... maybe in the future I might consider it, but as of now, it is a snowball's chance in hell.

[Addai]

Stanley Woo wrote...

So, suggestions awesome. Demands, not so much. And please, we're attracted to honey, not vinegar. Even if you vehemently disagree with us, please at least show us some common courtesy and respect, and leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation. We love you guys, but man, sometimes it is very difficult to talk to y'all.

Thank you all for your support, constructive criticism, and suggestions, and let's keep it civil so this discussion can continue.

Did anyone make threats?    Hey, I was totally joking about BioWare sacrificing interns for a mind control ritual.  lol

And I said it upthread, but the frustration is not with you guys working hard on the game.  You do good work.  It's more the principle of the thing than not wanting to give you an extra 10 bucks for sucking up all our free time.

[Sesshomaru47]

$60 US dollars? Big deal, stop whinging. Buy a game in Australia, you then have the right to complain. Most recent release console games start at $109 and PC games are generally $89. Don't forget that the AUD is practically on par with the pathetic US dollar and we still get ripped off.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Stanley Woo wrote...

if you look at our forum's history, Fibrous, i think you'll find that people get rather attached to our games, and whenever they see a change to our supposed formula, they have no trouble letting us know that the old ways are the best ways and change is always the result of us selling out for profit and betraying our loyal fans who pay our salaries and whatnot.

Surprisingly, some people get so angry and hope we "correct" things that they wish us ill and hope we go out of business. it's funny how "loyalty" works for some of our haters and how convenient it is to turn it off whenever they disagree with a decision.

What I wholeheartedly support is for gamers to let us know when they disagree with something we do. We enjoy hearing feedback from our fans and gamers. We also enjoy hearing suggestions about what people would like to see, what people would prefer not to see, and suggest ways in which we can do better on the next project. Note that I specifically said "suggestion." Keep in mind that if you cannot tolerate a dissenting view, then your "suggestion" is anything but. If you cannot accept that we might disagree with you, your "suggestion" then becomes a sort of demand, doesn't it? and it's far more difficult for us to listen when you're making demands of us, like we're your employees or something.

So, suggestions awesome. Demands, not so much. And please, we're attracted to honey, not vinegar. Even if you vehemently disagree with us, please at least show us some common courtesy and respect, and leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation. We love you guys, but man, sometimes it is very difficult to talk to y'all.

Thank you all for your support, constructive criticism, and suggestions, and let's keep it civil so this discussion can continue.

Or you know, you could maybe listen at least a little bit to that portion that has supported you unquestionably for years of the fanbase and stop dum er *streamlining* your games thinking you'll get more sales. /shrug

[Deadmac]

Wow! I will wait a good two to three years, so I can buy the game for $20. Once it hits that low price mark, BioWare will release an ultimate version with the dlc. Why pay $60 for the game and then $7 for each additional minute... I mean... each new additional dlc component?

I will wait patiently.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:52 .

[slimgrin]

Don't dig on Stan Sarah it's not his call.

Like I said, I'll wait for reviews, and then wait for a price drop. If the game is good I still plan on buying it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:56 .

[Sean933]

Guess I won't buy it then. Your loss. More time to play The Witcher 2

[xblade0]

I'm fine paying ten more dollars than I am currently accustomed. I've paid far more for far less game in the past.



Those who are not willing to pay will most likely acquire the game through other means. That is, if they decide it's worth the effort.



As far as I'm concerned, this issue is a chimera. I'm not happy about this, but an extra ten dollars isn't going to stratify the market to such an extent that only the wealthiest consumer can lawfully acquire this product. Given the rate of inflation and the precipitous rise in production costs, I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner,



I don't think we need to worry too hard about price controls until Bioware has reached maximum market exploitation.



That said, day 1 character DLC seems excessive. As an anti-used game measure, it's effective, but I'd rather it be free. For all those who purchase the game. Not just the people who preordered the signature edition.

[Addai]

I think we've all established the price of video games in Australia! I'm sorry for you guys. Though you have beautiful beaches and men with swoony accents, so I don't feel too sorry for you.

[SuperYuriGagarin]

I've been a bioware fan since i was a wee lad. Quite literally Shattered Steel was one of the earliest games i remember owning.



This will be one i pass over. I fully understand the need for adequate pricing to recoup costs and turn a profit. But overcharging customers (pc users especially) is not the way to do it even if its only $10. PC gaming is hurting enough, listen to your own advice, Honey not Vinegar.

[Stanley Woo]

Revan312 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...
and leave the name-calling, threats, and armchair economist doomsaying out of the conversation.

Was that pointed towards me?  I admit I got waaaay off topic with some others there.. But I don't consider it doomsaying so much as rational observation, analysis and interpretation within historical context.. Perhaps some of the wording was a bit dramatic

Anyway, I'll try and refrain from spouting off about national economic issues on a game forum..

No worries, Revan312. It's more a comment to those talking about how this particular feature or that particular decision will cause an increase or decrease in sales, or how an individual's decision to buy or not buy the game will affect how many other potential customers, or other things like that. I'm reasonably certain that, at a much higher level than we talk about here, there are number-crunchers who take all this stuff into account before we start seeing prices in stores. I mean, after all that math, we gamers have the toughest job of all: deciding whether to buy the game at the price offered by a given retailer or not.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

BioWare is going to have to make a game that disappoints me before I stop preordering and paying full price. I've had this attitude for as long as I can remember.

[Merci357]

Isn't there any competition in NA among retailers? I never paid anything close to 50€ (or 60€) when games were released. In fact, if I would preorder now on amazon.de, I'd pay the same price as for any other pc game - and your holy grail TW2 would even be slightly more expensive.

[Ryzaki]

Hm...I wonder though why the price differences between countries are so steep. I know I certainly wouldn't buy a game for more than 80 dollars.

Hell I can get a PSP for some of the prices you guys are quoting.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:14 .

[Revan312]

If one more Aussie enters the thread and says suck it up I'm gonna pull my hair out.. We get it, you pay a lot for games.. I pay a lot more for healthcare... Everything is relative.. Holland pays $8 a gallon for gas, Venezuela pays 12 cents. Blame your own market/economic structure, not others..

I mean really, it's like saying "damn those people and their socialized *insert program here*, they should pay as much as us and be the worse for it.." When really, you should be petitioning to improve your own system.

And @ Stanley I agree as games are a luxery item and nothing says anyone needs a luxery item. To buy or not to buy is all that matters and voting with your wallet is the only way to send a message that means anything to said number-crunchers. And although I fully condone criticism, some of the RaGiNg is a little overzealous. I wish people had half that much passion over other issues.. My problem is I easily let outside concerns seep uncontroled into my comments about games for some reason..

Modifié par Revan312, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:23 .

[slimgrin]

Merci357 wrote...

Isn't there any competition in NA among retailers? I never paid anything close to 50€ (or 60€) when games were released. In fact, if I would preorder now on amazon.de, I'd pay the same price as for any other pc game - and your holy grail TW2 would even be slightly more expensive.

TW2 isn't the holy grail, GoG is. And how they can afford to sell TW2 at $45 with all sorts of extras is beyond me, because its unheard of in the industry. In fact, I believe it's that much on Steam as well. Both DEus Ex and TW2 are $48 on Amazon.