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[Lyssistr]

AlanC9 wrote...

But that would work for me in terms of whether I'd find those future games to be good values. Future me will probably have similar tastes to current me; he might value games more, actually, since I don't think I'll be going out to bars as much in 20 years as I do now. But it's still going to be something along the lines of this game equals this many beers, or this many movies, etc.

 what you're saying is that you know now that in 20 yrs you'll be willing to pay for videogames (today's price+inflation adjustment).

This won't necessarily be the market average for video games, it was not the case '80s->'10.

 I can't argue about how you'll spend your money in 20 yrs and what you'll be willing to pay for games, you're the one qualified to say that, however don't project your own preferences/tastes/values to the market average, especially if it's 20 yrs from today that we talk about, the world will probably look drastically different then.

 To rationalize how prices changed from the 80s -> '10, you'd need a video-game specific inflation index. I doubt such a thing has been properly implemented by some game company, but if it were, you'd see deflation in game prices, since they've gone lower.

Modifié par Lyssistr, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:16 .

[StingingVelvet]

Lyssistr wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

All that said though, the important thing to know is that the right price is the price people are willing to pay.  That is capitalism 101.  Raising the new game price to $60 5 years ago on consoles did not lower sales, people accepted the price, therefore it is the right price.  Now they are finally raising the cost of new PC games to $60 and Starcraft 2 and Modern Warfare 2 certainly did not suffer for it... people accepted the price.  No matter what the passionate want to say on this or any other forum it doesn't matter, the people have accepted the price, therefore it is the right price.

 Do you have any sales (not shipped units) numbers in comparison to previous sales for MW2? (SC II is too far apart from SC to compare sales) if they're high then yes, it's the US market price for MW2. It's not necessarily the same for DA2 tho. Keep in mind that companies usually publish # of shipped units, not actual sales, most likely we'll never learn how many were actually willing to buy at that price.

 Personally, I didn't buy SC II yet because I'm not spending 60$ for 1/3rd of SC II.

No one knows exact numbers because digital delivery stores don't publish them, but Infinity Ward announced a while back that the PC version of MW2 sold millions and outsold the original MW during the same sales period (the first few months or so).

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:47 .

[Lyssistr]

StingingVelvet wrote...

No one knows exact numbers because digital delivery stores don't publish them, but Infinity Ward announced a while back that the PC version of MW2 sold millions and outsold the original MW during the same sales period (the first few months or so).

then 60$ is "the price", assuming that these millions of sales were @ release price (which may well not be the case, 3 weeks later game prices often start to drop). Still 60$ is not a universal $ price that applies to all games.

On release date they act like market makers, they quote a price and see what they can get for it. MMs quote whatever prices they want, just to gauge market momentum and then adjust accordingly. Ofc in video games you can't adjust in seconds so not as much fun to play cat & mouse, but the principle is the same, a release price of 60$ doesn't necessarily mean much for future release prices and 60$ becoming a new entry point.

 They saw Blizz and MW2 trying it, and they want to give it a go. That's fine if they can get away with +20%, if they can't, they'll revert to 50$, if they sell allot they may even try 70$ next time. Video game buyers are not the most rational buyers, many of them being kids, so it makes sense to at least try 60$, that being said the fact that they'll try it is not necessarily indicative of what will happen in the market. 

 Don't try to explain the price quotes with inflation, shareholders, if in principle console $ should be the same as PC $, fundamentals, if their CFO is gemini etc. They want to see if their quote makes sense, no need to rationalize it beyond that point, in so short time scales (1 yr after DAO), fundamentals usually need a drastic shift in order to cause price-shifts @ +20%.

[TwistedComplex]

me_loco wrote...

Hi Stanley, Thanks for your quick response, please do let me know if in the future i can buy directly from the developer, fady904@yahoo.com.

A developer will never sell their game directly...

Why are you boycotting EA?

I though it with "hip" to boycott Activition these days

Guess not

[Naitaka]

Honestly, I think everything that could have be said, has been said already. I'll reuse my steak analogy, this time let's use chicken and turkey instead!

Say the Warden goes to super market to buy some boneless turkey breast. He always paid 5$/lb for it. However, upon reaching the meat section, he discovered that turkey breast has gone up to 7$/lb. The Warden went to the store manager, Sten, and as him why this is so. Sten tells him that because the price of fowl feed has gone up so they now have to use two completely different type of feed in order for the turkey to grow both a right and a left breast. The warden accepts this relunctantly and returns to the meat section and sudden notice that chicken breasts are still going for 5$/lb; despite the fact they eat exactly the same amount and type of feed as turkieys. The Warden then marches over to Sten red faced and angry and demend a explaination. Sten just shrug and say: "Well more people eat chicken anyway, we don't care what you turkey eating whinner thinks."

EDIT: Oh before someone make the customary reply, let me just get that out of the way myself.

COOL STORY BRO

Modifié par Naitaka, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:29 .

[firl1979]

Also some of u forget that 80's to 90's console's til the playstation used catritages which cost tons more to producer than cd's and and now dvd's and bluray's.   Thats why alot of those games cost alot of money.  I remember Chrono Trigger when it came out was around 80 bucks.

Modifié par firl1979, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[Captain Iglo]

60$...that has been  the standard pc game price in Germany for years now! :/
*ugh* I've been living in the wrong country...

Modifié par Captain Iglo, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:53 .

[Melca36]

iEthanol wrote...

WHAT???

Please tell me that is only the price for the preorder (that will include Collector's edition stuff) and that the regular price will be $50.

http://store.steampo....com/app/47900/
http://www.amazon.co...94871528&sr=8-2

It cost me and my husband close to $60 for a night at the movies. I have no problem paying $60 for a game that I can replay several times. 

[Naitaka]

Melca36 wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

WHAT???

Please tell me that is only the price for the preorder (that will include Collector's edition stuff) and that the regular price will be $50.

http://store.steampo....com/app/47900/
http://www.amazon.co...94871528&sr=8-2

It cost me and my husband close to $60 for a night at the movies. I have no problem paying $60 for a game that I can replay several times. 

Wow I guess it only cost around $8~10 for a movie ticket where I live. No more than 15$ even if i decide to get the overpriced food from the theater.

[FedericoV]

I paid 44 € without shipping cost for a phisical copy of the signature edition in Italy. The price in Europe for DA2 in Steam is 49 €. I'm not an economist by any mean but I think that the 60 price has more to do with the value of US dollar and less with the pricing of games...

[Melca36]

Naitaka wrote...

Melca36 wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

WHAT???

Please tell me that is only the price for the preorder (that will include Collector's edition stuff) and that the regular price will be $50.

http://store.steampo....com/app/47900/
http://www.amazon.co...94871528&sr=8-2

It cost me and my husband close to $60 for a night at the movies. I have no problem paying $60 for a game that I can replay several times. 

Wow I guess it only cost around $8~10 for a movie ticket where I live. No more than 15$ even if i decide to get the overpriced food from the theater.

$16.50 admission price to see a 3D Film    $33.00 for the tickets and $22.00 for 2 drinks and a popcorn.

Its cheaper to wait for when it comes out on BlueRay:unsure:

[FedericoV]

LiamN7 wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

I paid 44 € without shipping cost for a phisical copy of the signature edition in Italy. The price in Europe for DA2 in Steam is 49 €. I'm not an economist by any mean but I think that the 60 price has more to do with the value of US dollar and less with the pricing of games...

If that was true, wouldn't the 360 and PS3 cost also go up by 10 dollars each ?

Cut the "if" .  I mean, I've allready showed that most assumptions here are biased or uncorrect since in Europe DA2 is going to cost 50 € just like DA:O. If DA2 for PC at 60 $ is because of EA, why do not raise the price even in Europe? Are you sure that it's not fault of the various distribution channel (Steam included)?

Then, there are many possible explanation for the fact that 360 and PS3 cost is not raised. They are different markets, using different distribution channel, with different costs, different audience, in different country and so on. It's hard to judge but we have many economy expert here so I'm sure that someone will be able to explain that ...

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:12 .

[TMZuk]

iEthanol wrote...

DSerpa wrote...

$10 is the price of lunch at Taco Bell. Is it really a dealbreaker for you?

And $50 is the standard price for a PC game. Hell yeah it's a deal breaker.

It starts with $10, then it goes to mantadory internet connection required due to some ****ty DRM, and then the price goes up and up. There is a reason boundaries are set--- because once crossed there is no longer a given end. Please stop being a blind fanboy.

If the price is to high, wait. I might buy it when it's down to 20$ or something like that, out of curiousity. The price isn't what is bothering me; internet demanding DRM is. At least in DA:O and ME2 you could disable the crap once the game, that is MY game, bought and payed for by ME, was "activated"! New Vegas was even worse. demanding you have a Pile of S*** piece of software like Steam installed. By the way, the manner Steam converts euro to dollar is pure theft.

That might end up a dealbreaker for any games in the future, if the developers keeps up this tendency to demand access to my computer. Apparantly, there's no more such a thing as privacy!

Modifié par TMZuk, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:54 .

[me_loco]

TwistedComplex wrote...

me_loco wrote...

Hi Stanley, Thanks for your quick response, please do let me know if in the future i can buy directly from the developer, fady904@yahoo.com.

A developer will never sell their game directly...

Why are you boycotting EA?

I though it with "hip" to boycott Activition these days

Guess not

for their broken half finised games, lack of support and patches and refuse to give my money back. FIFA11 is one perfect example, the game is broken on PC, they stole my money and refuse to fix the game!! as far as i'm concered this is unethical buiness practise and they should be out of buisness.

Too bad i can't give my money directly to developer, oh well, i have arma2 that i have been playing for hours.

[BTCentral]

FedericoV wrote...

Cut the "if" .  I mean, I've allready showed that most assumptions here are biased or uncorrect since in Europe DA2 is going to cost 50 € just like DA:O. If DA2 for PC at 60 $ is because of EA, why do not raise the price even in Europe? Are you sure that it's not fault of the various distribution channel (Steam included)?

Beleive it or not, the UK is part of Europe, and the game costs around £29.99 at most online retailers, which is roughly 36 €, add a euro or two for shipping, and it's still over 10 € less than that.

So no, it's not going to cost 50 € in all of Europe.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:56 .

[FedericoV]

BTCentral wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

Cut the "if" .  I mean, I've allready showed that most assumptions here are biased or uncorrect since in Europe DA2 is going to cost 50 € just like DA:O. If DA2 for PC at 60 $ is because of EA, why do not raise the price even in Europe? Are you sure that it's not fault of the various distribution channel (Steam included)?

Beleive it or not, the UK is part of Europe, and the game costs around £29.99 at most online retailers, which is roughly 36 €, add a euro or two for shipping, and that's still over 10 € less than that.
So no, it's not going to cost 50 € in all of Europe.

I was talking about Steam and in Steam Uk the price is 36 £ (correct me if I'm wrong).

Btw, yes, I'm shocked to discover that England is part of Europe... I mean, I love England and so on... it's you who despise us .

[Addai]

Lyssistr wrote...
 Don't try to explain the price quotes with inflation, shareholders, if in principle console $ should be the same as PC $, fundamentals, if their CFO is gemini etc. They want to see if their quote makes sense, no need to rationalize it beyond that point, in so short time scales (1 yr after DAO), fundamentals usually need a drastic shift in order to cause price-shifts @ +20%.

Your posts are a ray of common sense.  Kudos.

People act like complaining about a 20% increase for a shorter game is the equivalent of wanting to go to Edmonton and burn down the building.

It's just business, and if you care about your pocketbook you negotiate even with vendors you like.  None of us schmucks can do that as an individual, but collectively PC players can say "no thanks" and EA will get the picture.

[Taint Master]

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
 Don't try to explain the price quotes with inflation, shareholders, if in principle console $ should be the same as PC $, fundamentals, if their CFO is gemini etc. They want to see if their quote makes sense, no need to rationalize it beyond that point, in so short time scales (1 yr after DAO), fundamentals usually need a drastic shift in order to cause price-shifts @ +20%.

Your posts are a ray of common sense.  Kudos.

People act like complaining about a 20% increase for a shorter game is the equivalent of wanting to go to Edmonton and burn down the building.

It's 20% of 50 dollars... stop being so cheap.

[Addai]

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
 Don't try to explain the price quotes with inflation, shareholders, if in principle console $ should be the same as PC $, fundamentals, if their CFO is gemini etc. They want to see if their quote makes sense, no need to rationalize it beyond that point, in so short time scales (1 yr after DAO), fundamentals usually need a drastic shift in order to cause price-shifts @ +20%.

Your posts are a ray of common sense.  Kudos.

People act like complaining about a 20% increase for a shorter game is the equivalent of wanting to go to Edmonton and burn down the building.

It's 20% of 50 dollars... stop being so cheap.

Glad to hear you have money to burn.  Your flames aren't that helpful to discussion, however.

[Naitaka]

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
 Don't try to explain the price quotes with inflation, shareholders, if in principle console $ should be the same as PC $, fundamentals, if their CFO is gemini etc. They want to see if their quote makes sense, no need to rationalize it beyond that point, in so short time scales (1 yr after DAO), fundamentals usually need a drastic shift in order to cause price-shifts @ +20%.

Your posts are a ray of common sense.  Kudos.

People act like complaining about a 20% increase for a shorter game is the equivalent of wanting to go to Edmonton and burn down the building.

It's 20% of 50 dollars... stop being so cheap.

Such keen insight! Your argument is infallable sir, I'm so convined that everyone here who voice concerns over the price hike are just cheap Grinch-like monsters whoose ears perks up at the sound of rattling coins.

Modifié par Naitaka, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:10 .

[Deadmac]

AlanC9 wrote...

Deadmac wrote...
PC games use to cost $29.99 for a full version, and then $19.99 for an expansion pack

Really? When was that? Pulling a copy of CGW from ten years back, I find NWN1 selling for $49 and BG2 for $43. I have to go back before 1990 to find games selling under $30, and the RPGs actually cost $35. What's that in 2011 dollars?

True and untrue. Over the past ten to fifteen years, 'name brand' games were the only ones that went up in price. Aproximately four years ago, pc games were hovering around $39.99. Sure, some were selling at $50, but the majority of them were being sold around $40. PC games jumped $20 to $30 within only a few years.

Our market deflated around two years ago; thus, the price of everything should have fallen. Since China is 'artificially' adjusting their own currancy, (imports), the dollar has lost substantial value. If you think about this in the right way, there is a sense of irony behind the market. When people are out of a job and have very little income, the price of everything seems to go upwards faster. You would think companies would lower their prices, so that people can afford to buy more for less.

Another funny thought is... It all comes back to haunt companies who don't lower prices during harsh times. During the Christmas season in 2005 and 2006, stores descided to not reward consumers with sales. As a result of not giving people 30% to 50% off, during the holidays, consumers decided to hold back on their spending. As a result of corporate/banking/government greed and fraud, the Tea-Party movement came into existence in 2008. Even though companies like BioWare are just trying to make a profit, the million they made from downloaded content is a reflection of their greed. If they can make over a million on downloaded content (but not lower the price of their main content), we call that absolute greed from a pratical perspective. Same story. Different industry. Look at Exxon Mobile as an example. When average middle-class Americans stuggle, they stick it to the man by raising the price of gas. What is the difference? BioWare does not provide natural resources, which people need to depend upon for transportation. Other words, I would rather put $60 ($155) in my gas tank, so I can get my family to school and work. Why blow spend $60 on something in which I don't need?

If BioWare wants me to buy their product, they would need to lower all their prices. Consumers control the market. I will shop around for a cheaper product with the same quality. If the product in question costs too much, I will hold off until it becomes cheaper to purchase. Or, I will find a similar product being sold for less. Why buy a Mercedes when Ford is selling a similar car for a cheaper price?

During the past three years, people are holding back on credit and spending. Why? We are becoming smarter as consumers.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:31 .

[Taint Master]

Addai67 wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Lyssistr wrote...
 Don't try to explain the price quotes with inflation, shareholders, if in principle console $ should be the same as PC $, fundamentals, if their CFO is gemini etc. They want to see if their quote makes sense, no need to rationalize it beyond that point, in so short time scales (1 yr after DAO), fundamentals usually need a drastic shift in order to cause price-shifts @ +20%.

Your posts are a ray of common sense.  Kudos.

People act like complaining about a 20% increase for a shorter game is the equivalent of wanting to go to Edmonton and burn down the building.

It's 20% of 50 dollars... stop being so cheap.

Glad to hear you have money to burn.  Your flames aren't that helpful to discussion, however.

I'm not flaming you, sweetie.  You guys protesting the steam issue and now the price hike are just making entirely too much out of this.

IF you had shopped around you could have gotten it for LESS than 50 dollars.  IF you had shopped around you could have gotten a digital SE copy outside of Steam.  You chose not to, and now you want to whine about it?  Lets get real here.

[Insanecyclone]

It's Bioware, it's worth the $60. Although some other $60 pc games are judgmental purchases only.

[ErichHartmann]

Deadmac wrote...
BioWare does not provide natural resources, which people need to depend upon for transportation. Other words, I would rather put $60 ($155) in my gas tank, so I can get my family to school and work. Why blow spend $60 on something in which I don't need?

In that case why buy any games regardless of price?  You don't "need" them right?