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[Addai]

Taint Master wrote...
I'm not flaming you, sweetie.  You guys protesting the steam issue and now the price hike are just making entirely too much out of this.

IF you had shopped around you could have gotten it for LESS than 50 dollars.  IF you had shopped around you could have gotten a digital SE copy outside of Steam.  You chose not to, and now you want to whine about it?  Lets get real here.

Yes, you are flaming, and your attitude is tiresome.

I'm still weighing whether to pre-order at all, mainly because the game hasn't tempted me much up to this point, but the price increase and the fact that I couldn't get it at a platform I trust are the main reasons.  So, I'm happy for you that you got what you wanted at the right price.  Thanks for reminding us- again.

[Deadmac]

Insanecyclone wrote...
It's Bioware, it's worth the $60. Although some other $60 pc games are judgmental purchases only.

Here comes reality... Who cares. Game developers and publishers are a dime a dozen.

[Deadmac]

ErichHartmann wrote...

Deadmac wrote...
BioWare does not provide natural resources, which people need to depend upon for transportation. Other words, I would rather put $60 ($155) in my gas tank, so I can get my family to school and work. Why blow spend $60 on something in which I don't need?

In that case why buy any games regardless of price?  You don't "need" them right?

Here comes another reality check... Competitors lower their prices to 'compete'. Its the Darwinism of capitalism. If BioWare wants more people to buy their products, they would need to lower their prices to beat the competition.

That is life. Darwinism is a double edged sword.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:27 .

[Taint Master]

Addai67 wrote...

Taint Master wrote...
I'm not flaming you, sweetie.  You guys protesting the steam issue and now the price hike are just making entirely too much out of this.

IF you had shopped around you could have gotten it for LESS than 50 dollars.  IF you had shopped around you could have gotten a digital SE copy outside of Steam.  You chose not to, and now you want to whine about it?  Lets get real here.

Yes, you are flaming, and your attitude is tiresome.

I'm still weighing whether to pre-order at all, mainly because the game hasn't tempted me much up to this point, but the price increase and the fact that I couldn't get it at a platform I trust are the main reasons.  So, I'm happy for you that you got what you wanted at the right price.  Thanks for reminding us- again.

If you pre-order on steam you still get some bonus items, just not the full SE set with the extra companion and music.  It's still a good deal.

I don't see why you wouldn't. 

For all the bravado, we all know every one of you visiting these forums is going to play the game anyway and it'll be great.  So do yourselves a favor and get the most content for your money.  Holding out isn't hurting anyone but you.

[FedericoV]

Deadmac wrote...

ErichHartmann wrote...

Deadmac wrote...
BioWare does not provide natural resources, which people need to depend upon for transportation. Other words, I would rather put $60 ($155) in my gas tank, so I can get my family to school and work. Why blow spend $60 on something in which I don't need?

In that case why buy any games regardless of price?  You don't "need" them right?

Here comes another reality check... Competitors lower their prices to 'compete'. Its the Darwinism of capitalism. If BioWare wants more people to buy their products, they would need to lower their prices to beat the competition.

That is life. Darwinism is a double edged sword.

Only that for luxury products like video games it does not work like that. The way people give value to luxury product is not scientific or rational, but has a lot to do with life style, emotions and personal expectations. Following your reasoning Ferrari should not exist, the art market should not exist and so on. Following your point, people should not buy game on Steam at all since they ask the same price of retail for a digital copy of their games catalogue that cost nothing in term of production and distribution (at least untill sales kicks in).

For example, right now, DA2 preorder are going pretty well on Steam and your whole argument fail pretty badly in light of that.

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:36 .

[Addai]

FedericoV wrote...
For example, right now, DA2 preorder are going pretty well on Steam and your whole argument fail pretty badly in light of that.

I'm not surprised.  A lot of people buy at Steam because it's Steam or because that's the first time they've seen the game and didn't even know there was such a thing as the SE.  Hence why I figured not offering SE there was probably a deliberate marketing strategy, because you could get people to pay full price and pay for the DLC.

[DTKT]

The Top Sellers list on Steam means nothing. Stop thinking it actually means anything.



Its NOT the amount of copies sold. Its the amount of money made in a certain amount of days. If that average is higher, it will get there. If Dragon Age II sells well for 5 days, you will see it pop there. But since it's only an average, as soon as traffic slows down, it will disappear. It could sell 20 000 copies in 7 days, have a great average, but 20k copies is low.



We dont know how many copies it sold or how much money its making. It could be less than 10k copies for now.

[Taint Master]

LiamN7 wrote...

Hmm,  Yes true could have gotten the SE for less than 60 if,
If I had ordered the pre order before a 10 dollar ( 20 % price hike )
If I wanted to order a game that I didn't and don't yet know much about. Don't know all the characters yet. Don't know how long the game is. Don't know about the DRM for the PC. I could go on but you get the point I think. I am not buying anything on blind faith not even from bioware.

Then suck it up and pay full price.  That's your call and you made it.  Why whine now?

Besides its not just about what the price could have been. Its about not liking the 60 dollar price tag that bioware or ea seems to be setting for there games. If you and others like it thats fine. I also think it is fine to let a company know that you don't like a direction they take or a decision they make.

Bioware doesn't set the price.  Complaining on Bioware forums gets you nowhere.

[Deadmac]

Taint Master wrote...
Holding out isn't hurting anyone but you.

Actually, holding out until the price drops is intelligent. Since the price of "Dragon Age II" will no doubt drop to $19.99, the patient consumer (who is not drawn in by the hype) will win out when things are said an done. "Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition" is roughly $80 to $150 cheaper than buying the main game, expansion, and dlc seperatly. Even though I may be missing these tiny promotional pieces, I paid less for the game, expansion, and the dlc by buying them as a set.

Current pircing comparision (BestBuy.com):
"Dragon Age: Origins" -  Reduced Price $29.99
(one promotional dlc)

"Dragon Age: Origins Awakening" - Reduced Price $29.99
(one promotional dlc)

"Dragon Age II" -  Original Price $59.99
(one promotional dlc)

"Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition" - Original Price $59.99
(Comes with ALL dowload content & bonuses.)

"Dragon Age II" equals the price of "Dragon Age: Origins" the ultimate edition. You can get the main game, the expansion, and all the dlc for the price of "Dragon Age II". If you are patient enough and wise in spending, you can save a boat load of cash by just waiting out the hype.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:49 .

[Taint Master]

Deadmac wrote...

Taint Master wrote...
Holding out isn't hurting anyone but you.

Actually, holding out until the price drops is intelligent. Since the price of "Dragon Age II" will no doubt drop to $19.99, the patient consumer (who is not drawn in by the hype) will win out when things are said an done.

If you're cool with waiting another year+ for it to get bundled like that, sure.  I'd rather play in march.

[Deadmac]

Taint Master wrote...
If you're cool with waiting another year+ for it to get bundled like that, sure.  I'd rather play in march.

Its because you bought into the hype. You need 'instant' satisfaction. BioWare is counting on your inability to hold off.

Regadless about when I play the game, the overall experience will not change. What maters is that I will get more for the price I pay, and the price will be at a level that is more economically logical.

You will spend over $100 (main game, expansion, and dlc seperatly) more than I will on the same product.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:03 .

[Taint Master]

Deadmac wrote...

Taint Master wrote...
If you're cool with waiting another year+ for it to get bundled like that, sure.  I'd rather play in march.

Its because you bought into the hype. You need 'instant' satisfaction. BioWare is counting on your inability to hold off.

Regadless about when I play the game, the overall experience will not change.

Hype?  Not really.  I decided to preorder the SE as soon as it was announced.  The only reason I didn't immediately was because it wasn't on Steam.

DA:O was one of the best games I've ever played.  So was Kotor and the ME series.  I don't need to know anything about a bioware RPG to know I'm going to be playing it. 

As far as waiting... well you have fun with that.  I'd rather not have to wonder how the story progresses and dodge spoilers for an entire year just so I can  save a few bucks, but hey, that's just me.  Do whatever you gotta do, just pleeeease stop whining about it here.

[FedericoV]

DTKT wrote...

The Top Sellers list on Steam means nothing. Stop thinking it actually means anything.

It still means that it's making more money on average than... say... The Witcher 2 ... just saying...

[Deadmac]

Taint Master wrote...
Hype?  Not really.  I decided to preorder the SE as soon as it was announced.

Yeah, you bought into the hype, and you are seeking instant satisfaction.

Taint Master wrote...
DA:O was one of the best games I've ever played.  So was Kotor and the ME series.  I don't need to know anything about a bioware RPG to know I'm going to be playing it.

BioWare is counting on your inabilty to wait, for they have already got you hooked on their products. Even though I have played "KotOR", "Jade Empire", and "Neverwinter", I was not dumb enough to buy them at their peak prices. I bought "Knights of the Old Republic" a whole two years after it hit the shelves.

Taint Master wrote...
As far as waiting... well you have fun with that.  I'd rather not have to wonder how the story progresses and dodge spoilers for an entire year just so I can  save a few bucks, but hey, that's just me.

Since spoliers exist online, I need to buy it before I accidenatly read it?


Remember, we are not laughing at you, we are laughing with you.

"Patience is a virtue."
"Good things come to those who wait."

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .

[Taint Master]

Deadmac wrote...

Since spoliers exist online, I need to buy it before I accidenatly read it?

You'd be surprised where spoilers pop up.  I had part of ME2 spoiled for me in a random thread about DAO.  And you know  once the game is released, some people won't be able to avoid putting spoilers in titles.

But this is obviously going over your head.  Enjoy your wait

[BTCentral]

FedericoV wrote...

I was talking about Steam and in Steam Uk the price is 36 £ (correct me if I'm wrong).

Btw, yes, I'm shocked to discover that England is part of Europe... I mean, I love England and so on... it's you who despise us .

No, the Steam UK price is actually £29.99 too.

And we don't hate Europe, we just prefer our own currency.
(Well, some of us anyway).

Taint Master wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Since spoliers exist online, I need to buy it before I accidenatly read it?
[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

You'd be surprised where spoilers pop up.  I had part of ME2 spoiled for me in a random thread about DAO.  And you know  once the game is released, some people won't be able to avoid putting spoilers in titles.

But this is obviously going over your head.  Enjoy your wait [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

I'm going to have to avoid the BSN completely from the 8th to the 11th to avoid them... silly European friday game releases.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:27 .

[Taint Master]

LiamN7 wrote...

Telling a company you don't like something isn't whining. I don't like the price hike. Even if it is EA that sets the price they are part of EA these are the forums for a game bioware is making. No better place to let them know how I feel about something related to their game. So don't say I whine because I don't like somethng and let them know. Do I call you a blind fanboi because you don't see a problem with it? Nope. Do I think that Priestly will call up the Doctors and schedule a converence call with EA to get the price changed because I posted that I am not happy with it. No I don't.  But I think letting them know how I feel about something is a good thing. Just like you apparently do.  You have your opinion and I have mine.

Alright, fair enough.

[BurtonSD]

Taint Master wrote...

Nintendan wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

LOL@ this thread.

After all the holiday sales retailers and online stores had for the preorder, if you're paying 60 now it's your own fault.

What's 10 dollars anyway? If you're a PC gamer you're looking at 600+ dollars just for an entry level gaming rig. Suck it up.

10 Dollars is enough for steam users to get the DLC the where F'ed out of.

I'm a steam user.  I didn't get F'd out of anything.  I paid 44 USD for the SE.

It's not their fault you didn't take advantage of your options.

Why aren't there more steam users like youself? Thank you for using the options that were given to you and not having the "steam or bust" mentality.

[Insanecyclone]

FedericoV wrote...

DTKT wrote...

The Top Sellers list on Steam means nothing. Stop thinking it actually means anything.

It still means that it's making more money on average than... say... The Witcher 2 ... just saying...

Them fightin words.

[GreenSoda]

FedericoV wrote...

DTKT wrote...

The Top Sellers list on Steam means nothing. Stop thinking it actually means anything.

It still means that it's making more money on average than... say... The Witcher 2 ... just saying...

It just means DA2 made more money than TW2 did *yesterday*...not in total. TW2 can be preordered from Steam since last year.

[valiala]

EDIT:
Forget it, I have been censored.

Modifié par valiala, 15 janvier 2011 - 02:08 .

[In Exile]

Why are we assuming a set price for games is at all what we ought to be paying? Personally, I dislike New Vegas and would not pay more than the rental price from Blockbuster for it (since I am indifferent from renting it to see some content and owning it). Whereas, given how much I've replayed and enjoedy the game, I would be moe than wiling to pay $100 for DA:O or ME/ME2.

Either you think the game is worth the price at $60 or not. I don't see how a market argument for video-games is equivalent since video-games aren't (universally) goods that can substitute for one another.

[AlanC9]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm not surprised.  A lot of people buy at Steam because it's Steam or because that's the first time they've seen the game and didn't even know there was such a thing as the SE.  Hence why I figured not offering SE there was probably a deliberate marketing strategy, because you could get people to pay full price and pay for the DLC.

I'm trying to have a problem with that, but I just can't.