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[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

BioWare is counting on your inabilty to wait, for they have already got you hooked on their products. Even though I have played "KotOR", "Jade Empire", and "Neverwinter", I was not dumb enough to buy them at their peak prices. I bought "Knights of the Old Republic" a whole two years after it hit the shelves.

I wouldn't use "inability" and "dumb" there. There's value in playing a game on release. For instance, if you're the sort of person who likes talking about a game on forums, you miss out on a lot of the conversation if you come in a few months late.

And of course, when you delay game purchases that means that you will miss out on some games forever. When you die there will be games that you didn't play yet because you were waiting for the price to drop.

[Addai]

AlanC9 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I'm not surprised.  A lot of people buy at Steam because it's Steam or because that's the first time they've seen the game and didn't even know there was such a thing as the SE.  Hence why I figured not offering SE there was probably a deliberate marketing strategy, because you could get people to pay full price and pay for the DLC.

I'm trying to have a problem with that, but I just can't.

Don't hurt yourself or anything.  LOL

I don't begrudge companies trying to make money, though marketing shenanigans cost in terms of reputation as well as sales.  But, that's the way the cookie crumbles.  For some people it will be a fair trade to pay a premium to get it on Steam if that's what is important to them.

I'm thinking I'll probably buy a disc, because the linkup to BioWare servers worked pretty well for us with Origins- unlike the craptastic DRM on other games- and I would rather not have Steam trying to force me to patch.  Also, I find modding a little trickier on Steam, and I'm optimistic that DA2 will be as wonderfully moddable as Origins was.

Modifié par Addai67, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:28 .

[Bryy_Miller]

AlanC9 wrote...

When you die there will be games that you didn't play yet because you were waiting for the price to drop.

Alan, I know you are most likely joking, but I need to be sure.

[iamthespark]

I don't get it. Games are cheap compared to movies (I know, I know, movies cost more to make, etc etc, but lets look at entertainment value). A movie gives me 2 hours of entertainment for $20, while a game might give me 100+ hours for $60. Plus there might be more replay value in a game than a movie.

[AlanC9]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

When you die there will be games that you didn't play yet because you were waiting for the price to drop.

Alan, I know you are most likely joking, but I need to be sure.

Hey, unless you buy into that Singularity notion, we're all going to die someday.

I guess I could have said "when you give up gaming." Same result, though in my case I figure they'll have to pry the mouse out of my cold, dead fingers.

Edit: but yeah, I was being a bit facetious. Most of us are going to die from cancer, so there will be plenty of time to stop waiting for games to get cheaper after you become terminal.

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:42 .

[Kuroi Kenshi]

I paid (will pay) 31€ (42$) for my signature edition, but i will gladly have paid 60€ for the game, people tend to forget that games are now cheaper than they wore 10 years ago (I paid 70€ for my N64 cartbridge of TLoZ Majora's Mask)

[Youmu]

Kuroi Kenshi wrote...

I paid (will pay) 31€ (42$) for my signature edition, but i will gladly have paid 60€ for the game, people tend to forget that games are now cheaper than they wore 10 years ago (I paid 70€ for my N64 cartbridge of TLoZ Majora's Mask)

I paid around 250 FIM for games in the pre-euro days.. which works out to be 42€. That's for a PC game. Obviously proprietary cartidge will cost hilarious amounts of money, comparatively.

[Deadmac]

AlanC9 wrote...
And of course, when you delay game purchases that means that you will miss out on some games forever. When you die there will be games that you didn't play yet because you were waiting for the price to drop.

Video games are not important to one's life. If I were to play video games until my passing, I would regret not taking the time to live in the real world. Career, family, and real-life adventure are more important.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:27 .

[AlanC9]

No, they're not. Neither is saving $10 or so.

[EclipticOlive54]

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Taint Master wrote...
I'm not flaming you, sweetie.  You guys protesting the steam issue and now the price hike are just making entirely too much out of this.

IF you had shopped around you could have gotten it for LESS than 50 dollars.  IF you had shopped around you could have gotten a digital SE copy outside of Steam.  You chose not to, and now you want to whine about it?  Lets get real here.

Yes, you are flaming, and your attitude is tiresome.

I'm still weighing whether to pre-order at all, mainly because the game hasn't tempted me much up to this point, but the price increase and the fact that I couldn't get it at a platform I trust are the main reasons.  So, I'm happy for you that you got what you wanted at the right price.  Thanks for reminding us- again.

If you pre-order on steam you still get some bonus items, just not the full SE set with the extra companion and music.  It's still a good deal.

I don't see why you wouldn't. 

For all the bravado, we all know every one of you visiting these forums is going to play the game anyway and it'll be great.  So do yourselves a favor and get the most content for your money.  Holding out isn't hurting anyone but you.

Agreed

Modifié par EclipticOlive54, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:29 .

[Deadmac]

AlanC9 wrote...
No, they're not. Neither is saving $10 or so.

We are not talking about saving $10. We are talking about saving $155.

My math...
http://social.biowar...4263/14#5717153

If I am going to pay $39.99 (more content) for a similar item in which you are willing to pay $120 (but with less content), who do you think is going to win in the long run?

Price Logic...
http://social.biowar...4263/17#5721795

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:37 .

[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
No, they're not. Neither is saving $10 or so.

We are not talking about saving $10. We are talking about saving $155.

My math...
http://social.biowar...4263/14#5717153

If I am going to pay $39.99 (more content) for a similar item in which you are willing to pay $120 (but with less content), who do you think is going to win in the long run?

You could have just copy-pasted the math rather than the link. Especially since you got it wrong in your post here. By your own math the savings is $125, since you forgot to include the cost of the discounted future UE.

So it's $125. What of it? That's money you won't have spent when you're dead. How much value does your money have for you when you're dead? Depends on your heirs situation, I guess.

[Deadmac]

Taint Master wrote...
For all the bravado, we all know every one of you visiting these forums is going to play the game anyway and it'll be great.  So do yourselves a favor and get the most content for your money.

Untrue. If you are a patient consumer, there are benefits for waiting out the hype. Imagine paying $60 for this game, finding out it is inferior to the first one, and then you walked away feeling like you lost an investment. Everyone who was watching the prices fall patiently will feel happy knowing they didn't blow their money.

Again, the patient consumer wins.

Also, the first version to hit the self will always need a patch. As you wait a whole year for the game patch, the prices will drop to more economical levels. Once the final patch is released, the patient consumer wins because their version will be released with the latest fixes. No need to patch the game. Lol... "Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition" came with patch 4.0.

Again, the patient consumer wins.

Modifié par Deadmac, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:46 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Deadmac wrote...

Again, the patient consumer wins.

Everybody wins.  These are voluntary transactions.

[In Exile]

Deadmac wrote...
Untrue. If you are a patient consumer, there are benefits for waiting out the hype. Imagine paying $60 for this game, finding out it is inferior to the first one, and then you walked away feeling like you lost an investment. Everyone who was watching the prices fall patiently will feel happy knowing they didn't blow their money.

Again, the patient consumer wins.

Whereas, imagine that this game is superior to the first game, you research it heavily (encounter plot spoilers) and diminish your overall enjoyment of the story.

The patient consumer does not win. But this is a pretty subjective example, since it starts with ''imagine the product is bad'' and does not assume any costs associated with waiting.

Also, the first version to hit the self will always need a patch. As you wait a whole year for the game patch, the prices will drop to more economical levels. Once the final patch is released, the patient consumer wins because their version will be released with the latest fixes.

Again, the patient consumer wins.

Unless, again, there is some intrinsic value to getting the game earlier. Not that you're wrong about the dollar cost - but that isn't a good true measure of the cost for all consumers.

[Deadmac]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Deadmac wrote...

Again, the patient consumer wins.

Everybody wins. These are voluntary transactions.

When you are ready to have an intellectual conversation, I will be happy to engage with you in specifics.

[Sylvius the Mad]

If buying it makes you happy, abd you buy it, then you're happy. You win.

If not buying it makes you happy, and you don't buy it, then you're happy. You win.

[In Exile]

Deadmac wrote...
When you are ready to have an intellectual conversation, I will be happy to engage with you in specifics.

Sylvius and I once had a 10 page thread on the ontology of cutscenes and gameplay rules. I really don't think you're barking up the right tree with that.

ETA:

To actually be serious about this, what Sylvius is saying is that if individuals are rational maximizers of their utility, then their purchasing behaviour is invariably what makes them happiest, i.e. the only way for them to be unhappy is for them to be irrational.

Modifié par In Exile, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:53 .

[Deadmac]

In Exile wrote...

Whereas, imagine that this game is superior to the first game, you research it heavily (encounter plot spoilers) and diminish your overall enjoyment of the story.

There is a difference between reading about a game and actually playing the game. Since I just bought "Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition" a few weeks ago, knowing that "Dragon Age II" is on its way does not spoil anything. It makes me more curious about what happens next. When it comes to reading reviews about games, I stay away from reading spoilers. It is easy to find a review without spoilers.

[Deadmac]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...
If buying it makes you happy, abd you buy it, then you're happy. You win.
If not buying it makes you happy, and you don't buy it, then you're happy. You win.

That goes without saying.

[Stanley Woo]

And yet it needs to be said. Let's try and keep the hostility to a bare minimum, if we can't completely remove it from the discussion, please.

[BTCentral]

Deadmac wrote...

No need to patch the game. Lol... "Dragon Age: Origins - Ultimate Edition" came with patch 4.0.

I think you'll find you mean 1.04

---

I picked up DA:O Ultimate after really enjoying ME2, loved it, and so pre-ordered the Signature Edition this time round.

Do I feel I'm somehow loosing out by paying more money than the people that wait to see if there's an ultimate edition of DA2? No. Because I get to play it months earlier than you do and get a load of promo items, which I am sure you will not get all of even if there is an ultimate edition.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:27 .

[Sylvius the Mad]

Deadmac wrote...

That goes without saying.

Only tautologies go without saying.

And at that I have nothing further to offer to this discussion.

[In Exile]

Deadmac wrote...
There is a difference between reading about a game and actually playing the game.

I disagree.

Since I just bought "Dragon Age: Ultimate Edition" a few weeks ago, knowing that "Dragon Age II" is on its way does not spoil anything. It makes me more curious about what happens next. When it comes to reading reviews about games, I stay away from reading spoilers. It is easy to find a review without spoilers.

DA:O's website spoiled what Loghain did at Ostagar close to release.

What a game review magazine thinks a spoiler is and what I think a spoiler is =! same thing.

Modifié par In Exile, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:18 .

[Melca36]

Addai67 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I'm not surprised.  A lot of people buy at Steam because it's Steam or because that's the first time they've seen the game and didn't even know there was such a thing as the SE.  Hence why I figured not offering SE there was probably a deliberate marketing strategy, because you could get people to pay full price and pay for the DLC.

I'm trying to have a problem with that, but I just can't.

Don't hurt yourself or anything.  LOL

I don't begrudge companies trying to make money, though marketing shenanigans cost in terms of reputation as well as sales.  But, that's the way the cookie crumbles.  For some people it will be a fair trade to pay a premium to get it on Steam if that's what is important to them.

I'm thinking I'll probably buy a disc, because the linkup to BioWare servers worked pretty well for us with Origins- unlike the craptastic DRM on other games- and I would rather not have Steam trying to force me to patch.  Also, I find modding a little trickier on Steam, and I'm optimistic that DA2 will be as wonderfully moddable as Origins was.

I use Steam and the Toolset without any problems.  I have noticed the Toolset works better on my XP Computer than my Windows 7 Computer.

As for patching...I've never had an issue with forced patching.