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[Addai]

kayangelus wrote...

If you don't care or you're on console anyway, why are you even posting in this thread?

Because it is painful to see people who don't understand capitalism trying to discuss how something should be priced?

Bioware and EA are not a non-profit organization people. They will sell the game at whatever price they think will get them the most money.  If people are buying it (and they are making a profit), than it is not over priced. 

If you don't like the increase in PC game pricing, there is really only one way to inform the companies; talk with your wallet. By cheaper games, and don't buy more expensive games. If you already bought the game and are complaining, it isn't like they are going to hear you.

Complaining about a price increase- especially when it is for less product than you got before- is not understanding capitalism?

I work in purchasing.  I buy crap for a living.  If consumers don't use whatever forum they have to let companies know they're unhappy with less for more, then it's your own fault when you have to pay out the nose.

[Images]

Hmmm, I got the PC special edition for 24.99 in pounds on Game's site so about 39.50 U.S



I'd pay that. Its what I paid for ME2 (on Play.com), got DA: Origins second hand. I agree though that it shouldn't be 60 dollars, (about 38 pounds), and if it was just a little cheaper I wouldn't see a reason to complain. Its why I often wait till the returned copies of games I want hit the shop shelves which actually hurts me since I'd rather have my money go to the game companies than just the shops. This time I was lucky enough to find a reasonable price so everybody wins.

[Meltemph]

Complaining about a price increase- especially when it is for less product than you got before- is not understanding capitalism?



I work in purchasing. I buy crap for a living. If consumers don't use whatever forum they have to let companies know they're unhappy with less for more, then it's your own fault when you have to pay out the nose.

"Less product then before" is relative to how much each consumer enjoyed said product.



And the assumption that protesting prices on a forum has a result that affects pricing... Well is largely unsubstantiated. Only thing that will effect pricing of a product(I would say 95% of th time) is how well it will sell based on projections from the financial department.

[Addai]

Dendens wrote...

On topic, a point already put forth by users. Demand creates (higher) market price.

There is high demand for Bethesda games, and they still charged $50 for Fallout New Vegas.  The Witcher 2 is running $45 (granted with lower development costs because they're in Poland).

When there is a leader in price increases, you bop them on the nose before the rest of the herd follows.

[Meltemph]

There is high demand for Bethesda games, and they still charged $50 for Fallout New Vegas. The Witcher 2 is running $45 (granted with lower development costs because they're in Poland).

Because they thought it would hurt them sales wise. And the only way you can "bop them on the nose" is by not buying the product.

[Addai]

Meltemph wrote...

"Less product then before" is relative to how much each consumer enjoyed said product.

Obviously.  I played DAO into the ground.  But we only paid 50 bucks for it, and that included Stone Prisoner.  I'm not happy about paying $60 for a shorter game that to me doesn't bode nearly the same replay value.

And the assumption that protesting prices on a forum has a result that affects pricing... Well is largely unsubstantiated. Only thing that will effect pricing of a product(I would say 95% of th time) is how well it will sell based on projections from the financial department.

Both/and.  I haven't pre-ordered.  I'm still deciding if I will or not.  If the price comes down to $50, I probably would.  But I would like BioWare to know that that is the main thing keeping me from buying the game at this point.  They ask for customer feedback.  If you don't care to read the whining, there are plenty of other threads.

[Dendens]

Addai67 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

On topic, a point already put forth by users. Demand creates (higher) market price.

There is high demand for Bethesda games, and they still charged $50 for Fallout New Vegas.  The Witcher 2 is running $45 (granted with lower development costs because they're in Poland).

When there is a leader in price increases, you bop them on the nose before the rest of the herd follows.

Or I buy the product because I think it's worth the retail price. If you do not, do not but the game (not a direct comment at you, btw).

[Alexine]

If you don't like the price of the PC game, then you either don't buy it or shop around. Even if the RRP is $60 US, there are still plenty of retailers who are willing to do competition or you try and gain discounts (loyalty programs, coupons, sales, etc.)

I got my DA2 Signature Edition pre-ordered from an online retailer for $47 AUD including shipping, since Australian retailers charge around at least $79 AUD (from my local shopping around) for that edition. If you feel inclined that $60 for a pc game is a rip off, let's just say I'll complain of our stagnant, but overcharged video games here in Australia, even when the US dollar is neck-to-neck with the AUD right now.

Modifié par Alexine, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:02 .

[Meltemph]

Addai67 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

"Less product then before" is relative to how much each consumer enjoyed said product.

Obviously.  I played DAO into the ground.  But we only paid 50 bucks for it, and that included Stone Prisoner.  I'm not happy about paying $60 for a shorter game that to me doesn't bode nearly the same replay value.

And the assumption that protesting prices on a forum has a result that affects pricing... Well is largely unsubstantiated. Only thing that will effect pricing of a product(I would say 95% of th time) is how well it will sell based on projections from the financial department.

Both/and.  I haven't pre-ordered.  I'm still deciding if I will or not.  If the price comes down to $50, I probably would.  But I would like BioWare to know that that is the main thing keeping me from buying the game at this point.  They ask for customer feedback.  If you don't care to read the whining, there are plenty of other threads.

And that is a completely reasonable and well thought out approach that most I would wager are not willing to do.  But there is not a whole lot that can effect the pricing of the game outside of straight-up not buying it.  Only thing that prevents other companies from raising prices(like the examples you've given) is fear of losing money over it.

[Addai]

Dendens wrote...

Or I buy the product because I think it's worth the retail price. If you do not, do not but the game (not a direct comment at you, btw).

Really, people can stop stating the obvious.  Save yourself the wrist strain of typing it.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:03 .

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

"Less product then before" is relative to how much each consumer enjoyed said product.

Obviously.  I played DAO into the ground.  But we only paid 50 bucks for it, and that included Stone Prisoner.  I'm not happy about paying $60 for a shorter game that to me doesn't bode nearly the same replay value.

And the assumption that protesting prices on a forum has a result that affects pricing... Well is largely unsubstantiated. Only thing that will effect pricing of a product(I would say 95% of th time) is how well it will sell based on projections from the financial department.

Both/and.  I haven't pre-ordered.  I'm still deciding if I will or not.  If the price comes down to $50, I probably would.  But I would like BioWare to know that that is the main thing keeping me from buying the game at this point.  They ask for customer feedback.  If you don't care to read the whining, there are plenty of other threads.

Tone matters.

People who want to say that they don't like the price hike, and wish it was lower, even those who want to say they won't or are considering not playing the game - those don't bother me.

People who post invective as if the bread was being stolen from their mouths, those posts bother me.  And those are the ones I argue with.

[Dendens]

Addai67 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

Or I buy the product because I think it's worth the retail price. If you do not, do not but the game (not a direct comment at you, btw).

Really, people can stop stating the obvious.  Save yourself the wrist strain of typing it.

Well no matter how many times we type it, you just don't seem to get it

[Cuthlan]

Addai67 wrote...

Dendens wrote...

On topic, a point already put forth by users. Demand creates (higher) market price.

There is high demand for Bethesda games, and they still charged $50 for Fallout New Vegas.  The Witcher 2 is running $45 (granted with lower development costs because they're in Poland).

When there is a leader in price increases, you bop them on the nose before the rest of the herd follows.

Do you know what happens in the gaming industry when you "bop them in the nose" (that is, assuming you mean boycotting purchase), especially in this genre?

A successful boycott would be more likely to kill the franchise than to see prices reduced.

[Kilshrek]

1) How much of the pricing is left in Bioware's hands now that EA is publishing?

2) 20% price increase or no, the fact remains that the price of a game in Australia is almost double that which Americans are being charged. Buying a game here costs more than a day's wage. Also bear in mind that some websites can offer the same game at a cheaper price, albeit perhaps without so many pre-order bonuses. And if retailers have their way in Australia then even online shopping will be hit with taxes, removing the advantage online retailers have here, a lower price.

3) I suppose I'll add this. Not buying the game because you disagree on the price but not the game itself seems a little like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Of course you're only making Bryy_Miller buy another seven games.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:09 .

[Addai]

TJPags wrote...

People who post invective as if the bread was being stolen from their mouths, those posts bother me.  And those are the ones I argue with.

Well, it's the internet. I mean, some beancounter up in EA sets the prices, it's not the devs working in the salt mines.  And I appreciate BioWare giving us the chance to have our say.

I'm sure it works out well for them in our case- we bought every DLC, even the dumb ones.  And the biggest push for me to buy at this point is BSN peer pressure.  It's like high school. 

[thehistorysage]

It's called capitalism folks, but:



A) This is NOT the first PC title to cost $60



Bioware is NOT responsible



C) You can always wait for the price to go down if you're against paying the extra $$$



D) Knowing the facts doesn't make you a fanboy anymore than whining about $10 makes you a principled economist.



E) When the original Atari 2600 came out in 1977, the most expensive games cost $30. 100% inflation in 34 years is WELL behind that of your average product. Just look at the price of gasoline, or potatoes for a comparison. We're getting off light.

[Smellylettuce]

I could understand paying $60 for a physical copy, but for a digital download copy I would expect some kind of incentive. That is on top of the commonplace nickel and diming for DLC. What kind of worries me is that people are more than willing to fork over more and more money like a masochist begging for another whipping.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I miss the bioware of the baldur's gate era.

[Addai]

Cuthlan wrote...
Do you know what happens in the gaming industry when you "bop them in the nose" (that is, assuming you mean boycotting purchase), especially in this genre?

A successful boycott would be more likely to kill the franchise than to see prices reduced.

Can't speak for anyone else in the thread, but I'm not boycotting.  I just am not sold yet.  I'll buy it if I see it at the right price, which is bound to happen sooner or later.

[TJPags]

Addai67 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

People who post invective as if the bread was being stolen from their mouths, those posts bother me.  And those are the ones I argue with.

Well, it's the internet. I mean, some beancounter up in EA sets the prices, it's not the devs working in the salt mines.  And I appreciate BioWare giving us the chance to have our say.

I'm sure it works out well for them in our case- we bought every DLC, even the dumb ones.  And the biggest push for me to buy at this point is BSN peer pressure.  It's like high school. 

Peer pressure sucks. 

I caved around Jan 2, myself - and wound up with 2 versions (the wife refuses to give up the PC)

[Dendens]

Smellylettuce wrote...

I could understand paying $60 for a physical copy, but for a digital download copy I would expect some kind of incentive. That is on top of the commonplace nickel and diming for DLC. What kind of worries me is that people are more than willing to fork over more and more money like a masochist begging for another whipping.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I miss the bioware of the baldur's gate era.

But to expect a static price for all games, while demanding everything be improved is not going to happen, especially in the mess that the global economy is in today.

Does it suck? Yeah. In a kind of thiswasboundtohappeninsomeform kind of way. WHy? beacause companies like money. If they find a way to get more money. They will implore it. Old bioware would have done it back in the day if they could have

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thehistorysage wrote...
Just look at the price of gasoline, or potatoes for a comparison.

Tell me about it. Both are making my homemade moonshine production a dying venture. And now I have Billy Bob Ray McGinty making his own turnip vodka not two shacks away from me on the hillside. Sometimes I just question whether it was the right idea quitting my management job at Microsoft.


What were we talking about again?

Oh yeah, game prices. I think the answer is clear and has been stated, if you aren't seeing a good one, shop around online and you'll eventually find a better deal.

[Addai]

Kilshrek wrote...
2) 20% price increase or no, the fact remains that the price of a game in Australia is almost double that which Americans are being charged.

What makes you think that if the price in the US goes up, your price will remain the same (albeit higher than ours)?

3) I suppose I'll add this. Not buying the game because you disagree on the price but not the game itself seems a little like cutting off the nose to spite the face. Of course you're only making Bryy_Miller buy another seven games.

Not at all.  It's not like my life is ruined if I can't play DA2 the day it comes out?

[Kilshrek]

Addai67 wrote...

What makes you think that if the price in the US goes up, your price will remain the same (albeit higher than ours)?

What difference does that make? We're already paying higher prices is what I'm saying.

Addai67 wrote...

Not at all.  It's not like my life is ruined if I can't play DA2 the day it comes out?

I suppose I should have said it relates to Bioware. I meant that if DA 2 has poor sales, EA comes along and says "Hold on Bioware, that last game of yours didn't sell too well, we'll give you something to develop and sell instead this time" or something to that effect. Of couse I'm pulling this out of my arse since I have no idea how any of that really works but I think the big bad of the story is the ever reliable EA.

Plus I wonder why none of the nay sayers have mentioned that they looked around at other stores or possibly online retailers that may have offered the SE at a lower price.

[coolide]

iEthanol wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

Negative.

Most highly anticipated AAA title games (whatever you want to call them) that are coming out on the PC are matching console prices to $60. Activision-Blizzard, EA, and Ubisoft are all doing it.

And then you have companies like Capcom that release highly anticipated PC titles are great prices (Dead Rising 2 $40).

wulfsturm wrote...

iEthanol wrote...
And $50 is the standard price for a PC game. Hell yeah it's a deal breaker.

It
starts with $10, then it goes to mantadory internet connection required
due to some ****ty DRM, and then the price goes up and up. There is a
reason boundaries are set--- because once crossed there is no longer a
given end. Please stop being a blind fanboy.

Yes, there's this thing called "inflation;" it tends to make things more expensive. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png

I think you're mistaking inflation with greed. Check the inflation rate of the past few years in the US and you'll see there hasn't been a significant change in the last 10 years. If anything it WENT DOWN in '09.

Even with inflation accounted for, there is no way that there could be a $10 dollar rise in less than an year.

Inflation in North America has averaged about 3% over the past 10 years, which works out to be 34.4% over 10 years.  Inflation also measures the increase in the consumer price index, which is made up of household goods.  CPI does not include video game prices in its index, and thus inflation does not measure the increase in costs of video games.  Video games are requiring more and more work and more and more funds to produce each year.  If there was a futures market for video games, then you would see small incremental increases and decreases each day, but all of those daily increases and decreases would work out to be $10 over several years.  But there isn't.