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[Addai]

Kilshrek wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

What makes you think that if the price in the US goes up, your price will remain the same (albeit higher than ours)?

What difference does that make? We're already paying higher prices is what I'm saying.

I'm suggesting- and this may or may not be true- that the PC price going up in the US means prices elsewhere and in console are going to go up too.  Maybe not on this title, especially since they are trying to attract console players, but it can't be far behind.

Am I supposed to be unconcerned about my price going up because for whatever reason they can sell it for more in a different country?  If, say, your favorite pizza shop suddenly started charging 20% more and the pizza dude tells you "I researched it and people in Timbuktu pay that much for pizza"....that's gonna mean anything to you?

I suppose I should have said it relates to Bioware. I meant that if DA 2 has poor sales, EA comes along and says "Hold on Bioware, that last game of yours didn't sell too well, we'll give you something to develop and sell instead this time" or something to that effect. Of couse I'm pulling this out of my arse since I have no idea how any of that really works but I think the big bad of the story is the ever reliable EA.

I'm sure they figured that in and they must think it's worth the risk.

Plus I wonder why none of the nay sayers have mentioned that they looked around at other stores or possibly online retailers that may have offered the SE at a lower price.

I did, at any rate.  Can't speak for anyone else.

Modifié par Addai67, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:44 .

[Meltemph]

coolide wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

lv12medic wrote...

Negative.

Most highly anticipated AAA title games (whatever you want to call them) that are coming out on the PC are matching console prices to $60. Activision-Blizzard, EA, and Ubisoft are all doing it.

And then you have companies like Capcom that release highly anticipated PC titles are great prices (Dead Rising 2 $40).

wulfsturm wrote...

iEthanol wrote...
And $50 is the standard price for a PC game. Hell yeah it's a deal breaker.

It
starts with $10, then it goes to mantadory internet connection required
due to some ****ty DRM, and then the price goes up and up. There is a
reason boundaries are set--- because once crossed there is no longer a
given end. Please stop being a blind fanboy.

Yes, there's this thing called "inflation;" it tends to make things more expensive. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png

I think you're mistaking inflation with greed. Check the inflation rate of the past few years in the US and you'll see there hasn't been a significant change in the last 10 years. If anything it WENT DOWN in '09.

Even with inflation accounted for, there is no way that there could be a $10 dollar rise in less than an year.

Inflation in North America has averaged about 3% over the past 10 years, which works out to be 34.4% over 10 years.  Inflation also measures the increase in the consumer price index, which is made up of household goods.  CPI does not include video game prices in its index, and thus inflation does not measure the increase in costs of video games.  Video games are requiring more and more work and more and more funds to produce each year.  If there was a futures market for video games, then you would see small incremental increases and decreases each day, but all of those daily increases and decreases would work out to be $10 over several years.  But there isn't.

The CPI is worthless and near nobody bases usable information on it, it is about as accurate as the CBO.  

Modifié par Meltemph, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:45 .

[Kilshrek]

Addai67 wrote...

Kilshrek wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

What makes you think that if the price in the US goes up, your price will remain the same (albeit higher than ours)?

What difference does that make? We're already paying higher prices is what I'm saying.

I'm suggesting- and this may or may not be true- that the PC price going up in the US means prices elsewhere and in console are going to go up too.  Maybe not on this title, especially since they are trying to attract console players, but it can't be far behind.

Am I supposed to be unconcerned about my price going up because for whatever reason they can sell it for more in a different country?  If, say, your favorite pizza shop suddenly started charging 20% more and the pizza dude tells you "I researched it and people in Timbuktu pay that much for pizza"....that's gonna mean anything to you?

I suppose I should have said it relates to Bioware. I meant that if DA 2 has poor sales, EA comes along and says "Hold on Bioware, that last game of yours didn't sell too well, we'll give you something to develop and sell instead this time" or something to that effect. Of couse I'm pulling this out of my arse since I have no idea how any of that really works but I think the big bad of the story is the ever reliable EA.

I'm sure they figured that in and they must think it's worth the risk.

Plus I wonder why none of the nay sayers have mentioned that they looked around at other stores or possibly online retailers that may have offered the SE at a lower price.

I did, at any rate.  Can't speak for anyone else.

Interestingly enough, a console game here can cost as much as $20 more than a PC game. And I understand you are concerned but I don't understand the outrage. To use your pizza analogy, assuming you only buy a pizza once in your lifetime a 20% wouldn't make a great budget hit in the long run. "AAA"(And I wonder at this title myself) games do not come out every day, nor does one buy a game every day. Of course if more and more PC games come out costing $60 dollars for Americans, then look to online retailers. I see many a poster saying they got a deal from such and such website, what a wonderful thing this internet is.

[Legbiter]

Thanks for the heads up OP. Just snagged this off of Steam.

[Revan312]

As someone on the steam forums said

"Dragon Age 2 on steam - 60$
Dragon Age 2 Sig Edition on steam - priceless

For everything else, there's piratebay"

Now I'm not condoning pirating, but if they think raising the prices for games during a recession is anything but a giant jolly roger signal to many online than I don't know what is.. I love how companies try to make up revenue for pirating by using tactics that promote said pirating..

"Well, pirates downloaded too many of our last release, let's institute oppressive DRM." results-- more pirating

"Well, we lost some revenue from the pirates on our last release so lets raise the price." results-- more pirating

It's quite funny really.. Until devs and publishers stop treating consumers as simply numbers, piracy will continue to increase. Trent Reznor made 1.6 million dollars in one week with his "Ghosts" release and it was 5$ for all 36 tracks. Raw wavs were released to the public so anyone could remix his music, his last album was available for free on his site etc etc.. Yet he makes more $$ than nearly any artist because 1.) he respects his fanbase and 2.) he understands the open-source model of sales where money comes from concerts, merchandise and donations, not albums and that spreading your music to as many people as possible increases your community..

Now that model in itself of course wouldn't work for games, but it is a good indicator that treating your fanbase with respect and admiration does wonders. 1000 sold widgets at 10$ makes more money than 10 sold at 100$, but corporations seemingly can't understand that. Bioware is riding on the last vestiges of their loyal followers, but when EA starts to force distribution practices like this more and more, that loyalty will eventually disappear I fear.

Modifié par Revan312, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:40 .

[slimgrin]

Revan312 wrote...

As someone on the steam forums said

"Dragon Age 2 on steam - 60$
Dragon Age 2 Sig Edition on steam - priceless

For everything else, there's piratebay"

^ lol. Love it.

I agree with Revan. Pirating is the big scapegoat for the gaming industry. With all the lame excuses companies like Capcom, Rockstar, and Ubisoft pile on top of sh*tty drm and bloatware, I wonder what they'd ever do without it.

Incidentally, I'll be waiting for the game to drop in price if I decide to get it. Should take all of a few months. Project price raise - failed. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 janvier 2011 - 04:18 .

[slimgrin]

DSerpa wrote...

In six pages this thread went from a discussion of tacos to an economic debate between people who barely remember that one class they had to take in college to fulfill a general education requirement.

Well played, internet. Well played.

Very insightful.

[Jon Jern_]

Knowing Steam and how it works, and ignoring Modern Warfare 2 and Call of Duty : Black Ops, Dragon Age on Steam will go down to, maybe $40 by August. Calling it.

[Loc'n'lol]

That's your extra tax for getting the game 3 days early.

[AlanC9]

Meltemph wrote...

The CPI is worthless and near nobody bases usable information on it, it is about as accurate as the CBO.  

If you've got better numbers, produce them.

[StingingVelvet]

PC versions are 95% of the time the best versions of the game, yet cost the least? Why? I don't get it. All versions being equal is fine with me.  Don't tell me it's because of license fees, that stuff does not impact the consumer at all, the game is either worth $60 or it isn't, why is it on console and not on PC?

Secondly games have been $50 for 20 years now, on average, and inflation means they should have been $60 like 10 years ago.

Lastly, I remember games like Under a Killing Moon and Shadowrun costing much more than $50, and that was 15 years ago, so it's not like $60 is some amazingly high dollar amount.

This is one of those topics that makes PC gamers look like a bunch of whiners who will pirate your game if you don't do everything the way they want it. That Steam quote above is funny? I find it disgusting. You don't have to buy the game for $60, you can wait for a sale or a price drop. As with anything, at any price, you buy when you think the content is worth the price being asked.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:10 .

[Addai]

StingingVelvet wrote...

PC versions are 95% of the time the best versions of the game, yet cost the least? Why? I don't get it. All versions being equal is fine with me.  Don't tell me it's because of license fees, that stuff does not impact the consumer at all, the game is either worth $60 or it isn't, why is it on console and not on PC?

Console companies charge licensing fees.  No fees for PC.  Very little overhead at all for digital PC.

Secondly games have been $50 for 20 years now, on average, and inflation means they should have been $60 like 10 years ago.

It doesn't always work out that way necessarily.  New technologies cost more, and when they get a greater market and are mass produced, prices go down.

This is one of those topics that makes PC gamers look like a bunch of whiners who will pirate your game if you don't do everything the way they want it. That Steam quote above is funny? I find it disgusting. You don't have to buy the game for $60, you can wait for a sale or a price drop. As with anything, at any price, you buy when you think the content is worth the price being asked.

I don't condone pirating in any way.  It's stealing, period.

[slimgrin]

StingingVelvet wrote...

This is one of those topics that makes PC gamers look like a bunch of whiners who will pirate your game if you don't do everything the way they want it. 

And here's where you take a giant leap into ridiculous assumption. Whatever. I'd rather pay less than more with pretty much anything I buy. I would venture to guess lots of people think this way. And I don't pirate.

By the way, the average I pay for my games is $6-$30. Yes, that's cheaper than consoles. Deal with it.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

PC versions are 95% of the time the best versions of the game

This is one of those topics that makes PC gamers look like a bunch of whiners who will pirate your game if you don't do everything the way they want it.

For years, PC games were the most bugged games of them all, as there were no internet for console gamers.. which meant that if a whole party of games was bugged, than you were screwed as publisher and have some serious money loss.. but in PC gaming world, publishers just throwed game on market and then applied patches one by another. That nurtured our "unique" psychology, at least mine, that first thing I want to do when a new game comes is to pirate it, and if I like it, then buy it.
The opressive protection system adds even more - some pirated games play BETTER that licences cause protection system is removed. There is one popular RPG today, that needs like hour or more for installation licensed, while pirated it installs in 15 mins.

*chukle* Today, though, they can make a bugged game for everyone, as console gamers can download patches too! Hurrah!
But PC gamers still have a good choice not to pay those 60$ to at least look what a game actually is behind the curtains of "..newinnovativecinematicgameplay". So gimme that 20/40/60$ boxie instead of 80/100/120$ for those console guyes, me is PC gamer arr.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:28 .

[Images]

Oh great, in the time it took me to read all the extra posts since I last said that a game's cost is merely a matter of shopping around several vendors and that pseudo-intellectual debates on interest rates and market growth and bla bla bla...he burned down my shack alright? Billy Bob Ray McGinty burned down my shack while I was reading the thread and now I will have no potato-petrol moonshine to sell which means no Mass Effect 3 for me even at the quite reasonable price it will be sold at.



I hope you're happy

Modifié par Images, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:30 .

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

We really sad Images.



We sorry.

[slimgrin]

Images wrote...

Oh great, in the time it took me to read all the extra posts since I last said that a game's cost is merely a matter of shopping around several vendors and that pseudo-intellectual debates on interest rates and market growth and bla bla bla...he burned down my shack alright? Billy Bob Ray McGinty burned down my shack while I was reading the thread and now I will have no potato-petrol moonshine to sell which means no Mass Effect 3 for me even at the quite reasonable price it will be sold at.



I hope you're happy

Well, at least you had one worthwhile post.

[Bryy_Miller]

slimgrin wrote...

Revan312 wrote...

As someone on the steam forums said

"Dragon Age 2 on steam - 60$
Dragon Age 2 Sig Edition on steam - priceless

For everything else, there's piratebay"

^ lol. Love it.

I agree with Revan. Pirating is the big scapegoat for the gaming industry. 

While it is a scapegoat, it is also a legit scapegoat. I mean, it is illegal.

[Niten Ryu]

29,95€ or 19,95€ is good price for the complite "game of the year" edition of the DA2... and maybe about year (or year and half) later. I'll wait.

[Kitsukaru]

Sure is good to be British. It's available for UK£ 27 from Amazon UK, which is around US$ 43.

http://www.amazon.co.../dp/B003VM8HFE/

[Durallan]

Poor Americans complaining about the price of video games! When you get to Australian prices, then I think its fair to complain, 60 bucks is still generally half price of most games in australia so yeah But! If prices do go up, don't expect them to go back down, prices have always been high in aus on computer games but they went up a bit around 2004-5 when the dollar was really bad against the american, but! now we are at parity! have prices gone down? nope. I must say I hope prices of games there stay the same otherwise there won't be a point in buying them overseas anymore! I don't really know why they need to raise prices, the game industry already makes more money than the movie industry...

[Andraste_Reborn]

In Australia, $90 is the standard price for a popular new PC game. It is not uncommon to be charged $100, and I paid $120 to get the DAO Collector's Edition locally.

What I normally do is wait for everything to end up in the bargain bin or a Steam sale, or import from overseas. The first Dragon Age was the last PC game I paid full price for, DA2 will be the next, and after that ... probably DA3. BioWare fantasy RPGs are the only thing I'm sufficiently obsessed with to care about opening them on release day. I often end up paying less for my PC games than my DS games, since those tend to be slower to come on sale.

If you're unhappy with the local price for PC games, you have to weigh up whether you want them NOWNOWNOW or want to pay a sensible price later. Either way complaining to BioWare is pointless since they don't set the price anyway. (Complaints to EA would at least be targeting the right people.)

Modifié par Andrastee, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:08 .

[Phoenix_Jackson]

iEthanol wrote...

WHAT???

Please tell me that is only the price for the preorder (that will include Collector's edition stuff) and that the regular price will be $50.

http://store.steampo....com/app/47900/
http://www.amazon.co...94871528&sr=8-2

You think that's tough?

Take a look at this one.  And a regular conversion is $100 = 120,000 won.  Give or take 20,000

[StingingVelvet]

slimgrin wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

This is one of those topics that makes PC gamers look like a bunch of whiners who will pirate your game if you don't do everything the way they want it. 

And here's where you take a giant leap into ridiculous assumption. Whatever. I'd rather pay less than more with pretty much anything I buy. I would venture to guess lots of people think this way. And I don't pirate.

By the way, the average I pay for my games is $6-$30. Yes, that's cheaper than consoles. Deal with it.

That line was a direct response to the "joke" above about pirate bay.