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[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

Sure is good to be British.

Russian Ozon.ru has it for 1199 rubles (39$), but I will anyway buy it like DAO: http://www.ozon.ru/m.../1001511265.jpg



Usually a neat paper square like that is around 15$ just when game is released.. it's still pretty costy, like 14 bottles of beer.

[AlanC9]

Does anyone else remember what NWN1 sold for on release? IIRC it was more than other games cost at the time.

[Sabbatine]

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Oh stop whining, us console users have to pay 60 dollars normally for any new game. Our "special editions" are usually in the 70-80 dollar range.

You console gamers pay that money because Microsoft and Sony charge nearly $10 per new game sold for their consoles.  There is no royalty charge for selling a pc game so the $10 increase is absolutely unjustifiable unless there is additional content... roughly $10 worth of additional content.

[StingingVelvet]

Sabbatine wrote...

You console gamers pay that money because Microsoft and Sony charge nearly $10 per new game sold for their consoles.  There is no royalty charge for selling a pc game so the $10 increase is absolutely unjustifiable unless there is additional content... roughly $10 worth of additional content.

Again though, that is invisible to the consumer.  Gamers on console have accepted the $60 price point, there's no reason not to extend that to the PC and make more money, which in turn would fund better PC versions and better games.

[slimgrin]

It's not invisible when you're paying $10 more, Velvet. I don't see your logic here. For some reason, the vast majority of pc games are $50 and under. I suppose there are good reasons it's stayed that way for so long. I think what may frustrate console gamers is pc gamers have a range of prices to choose from when buying new and console gamers don't ( as far as I know ). So they insist, ah what the hell, why not make them pay what I do cause it'd be 'fair.' I'm no economist, but I don't think the market works that way.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:02 .

[StingingVelvet]

slimgrin wrote...

It's not invisible when you're paying $10 more, Velvet. I don't see your logic here.

The license fee is invisible, it's not like you go to the store and pay $50 for the game and then a $10 license tax, you just go to the store and get the game for $60.  People accepted that price point 5 years ago on consoles, for the same gameplay (actually worse in most cases).  There's no reason we can't do the same.

And we do, actually... games released at $60 on PC already have shown no signs of losing sales because of it, Starcraft 2 and Call of Duty Black Ops sold extremely well.

In the end it is a personal choice, is the game worth that to you?  Same as any release before, you will buy it when the cost is in line with your desire to play it.  I would have spent $100 to play Fallout New Vegas but I waited for Kane & Lynch 2 to hit $20... we all pay what we think it is worth, and play it when it hits that price.  Some people will no doubt wait for DA2 to be $50 on sale somewhere, and some people will wait for the game of the year collection to be $10 years from now.  It all depends.

You can't blame them for charging $60 new though, the people who buy games on day one have accepted that price point.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:16 .

[AlanC9]

There are reasons for prices. I'm just not sure they're good ones. In my branch of publishing we don't really have any good data for what we should charge. Someone, either us or a competitor, tries a price raise. If it doesn't hurt them we all follow suit, maintaining more or less our long-time relative positions on the price spectrum.



Last fall some PC games went for $60. They sold. Why wouldn't EA start selling future games at $60? Maybe they'd sell more games if they stayed at $50, maybe not. There's so much noise in the data that nobody will be able to prove that sales had been hurt by going to $60. If I was an executive at EA I'd take the extra $10 per unit.

[Addai]

StingingVelvet wrote...
In the end it is a personal choice, is the game worth that to you? 

That's all I'm sayin.  Not telling anyone else what to do, not holding my breath and counting to ten, not making EA voodoo dolls and sticking pins in them.

BioWare makes addictive games and it's no surprise people still pony up.  It's likely that I will, too.  I had to ask myself if I would pay $60 for a Gaider novel.  The answer was no, but the fact that I actually sat and pondered makes me worry about myself.  LOL

[hangmans tree]

What makes me wonder its that I never was a witness of prices to drop.

I mean, all my young-to-adult life all I see is the increases. And it looks like it wont stop. More money is printed, I guess at some point they will have to change the currency and start over so that todays 100$ will be 10New$ ...

How does that really work? Looks like one big sham to me. In a long run money is really worthless but we are enslaved by it...Some nice world we made for ourselves...or They made for us? Should we blame our fathers and fathers of their fathers?

[Revan312]

hangmans tree wrote...
How does that really work? Looks like one big sham to me. In a long run money is really worthless but we are enslaved by it...Some nice world we made for ourselves...or They made for us? Should we blame our fathers and fathers of their fathers?

Blame banks, as they are the masters of the world.. All money is created in a bank, is distributed from banks and inevitably ends back up in a bank, in reality they are who we work for.  Add into that the idea of interest which means there's never enough money in the supply to cover the debts owed and you have a profoundly sick and unfair system that literally builds forclosures, inescapable debt and poverty into itself, at a fundemental level..

I always thought this quote from Zeitgeist Addendum just about summed it up - "Physical slavery requires people to be housed and fed. Economic slavery requires people to feed and house themselves." For fun reading, pick up Modern Money Mechanics, Confessions of an Economic Hitman and The Case Against the Fed.

On topic, price hiking the game on digital distribution services is simply a cash grab and anyone that says its fair because console games are at 60 dollars or that in other countries it's been high for a long time is a perfect example of "if it effects me it should effect everyone!" So because TV ownership has a yearly tax in Great Britain it should be like that everywhere.. Or because gas costs $8.00 a gallon in Holland it should be that price everywhere..  That sort of logic is ridiculous and serves absolutely no purpose beyond the "it's only fair!" So games are high in Australia.. well, I want government run healthcare.. *shrug*

Modifié par Revan312, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:40 .

[AngelicMachinery]

hangmans tree wrote...
How does that really work? Looks like one big sham to me. In a long run money is really worthless but we are enslaved by it...Some nice world we made for ourselves...or They made for us? Should we blame our fathers and fathers of their fathers?

I found a commie!

[Bryy_Miller]

It's just a video game, guys. It's not that important.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:14 .

[kartupelis]

i actually got my dragon age preorder (a week ago) for about 44 dollars. how? well, i preordered the game in british pounds, which value has dropped against my lats (latvia`s national curreny, 1 lats = 55 us cents), and so i got it dirt cheap in comparison to steam. also i bought it through game.co.uk, they always take 10 pounds of the game, so its always cheaper there, if i proorder it, not download it. i might have to wait extra 2 days for the game arrive, but its worth the wait.

[Stinkface27]

It's crept up to $108 here in Aus. I wish I could wait a few days after release, I'd just have a friend ship me a copy from the USA. Alas, I am too excited!

[OurSacrifice]

I'll pass.  I'm not giving EA $10 because they want to screw over the PC gamer.  Let me know when you drop the price of the game to a reasonable level.

In the meantime, I'll be playing the Witcher 2 for $44.99.

Thanks Bioware, for selling out to a publisher that is slowing ruining the gaming community one release at a time.

[Durallan]

StingingVelvet wrote...
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I would have spent $100 to play Fallout New Vegas ...

I paid $130. (Collectors Edition) While I thoroughly enjoyed the game, it would have been nice if it was that little bit cheaper. Like the $70 or whatever it cost in america.

@Stinkface27 also it shouldn't cost 108 dollars, unless its a console version? I pre ordered my copy of Dragon Age 2 Signature Edition for 80$ from GAME online

http://www.game.com....ames/EAJ0770754
of course theyre only doing the normal edition now

@ OurSacrifice EA are trying to compete with activision blizzard for some insane reason, and because they have suits running the company, money is more important than originality, also RIP Origin Systems Inc.

Modifié par Durallan, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:29 .

[StingingVelvet]

Durallan wrote...

I paid $130. (Collectors Edition) While I thoroughly enjoyed the game, it would have been nice if it was that little bit cheaper. Like the $70 or whatever it cost in america.

Yeah, I paid $70 I guess.  Once all the DLC comes to PC I will probably end up having paid $120.  Worth every penny

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:36 .

[magicwins]

How about this: My friend refuses to buy the game because it will only give him 50 hrs of fun, while the same amount of money spent on food will give him 4 days or 96 hrs of sustenance.



I called him a retard.

[magicwins]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's just a video game, guys. It's not that important.

I'm surprised you're saying that here, but I'll bite: Yes, it's a video game, a bunch of pixels on a screen. Yes, it can be that important.

[Merchant2006]

I mean... @OP, which country are you from? I'm guessing you have no other alternative but... search around. I bought DA2:SE for £20 from GAME.co.uk.

[magicwins]

Wrong thread <_<

But yes, to foster discussion, I live in India and was able to get it at GAME UK for 47 USD, incl shipping.

Modifié par magicwins, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:02 .

[slimgrin]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

It's just a video game, guys. It's not that important.

An argument that isn't exactly going to fly around here, lol. Besides, why this topic keeps cropping up is because to many its a matter of principle. We could be talking about the price of books, movies, or music and it would still be a heated debate.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:29 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

It's crept up to $108 here in Aus.

Yikes. Glad I've got the receipt that says I ordered it for $90. I am also way too excited to wait for it to arrive in the mail.

[Cuthlan]

Sabbatine wrote...

Gavinthelocust wrote...

Oh stop whining, us console users have to pay 60 dollars normally for any new game. Our "special editions" are usually in the 70-80 dollar range.

You console gamers pay that money because Microsoft and Sony charge nearly $10 per new game sold for their consoles.  There is no royalty charge for selling a pc game so the $10 increase is absolutely unjustifiable unless there is additional content... roughly $10 worth of additional content.

And how much more money is spent on developing games for the PC when you account for hardware/driver/OS differences and how many bugs those differences cost? Money that continues to be spent beyond release as bugs surface, due to various hardware combinations that they couldn't have tested for, that have to be fixed, tested, then patched.