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[Darkchipper07]

Planeforger wrote...

I definitely don't support the trend towards microtransactions and DLC, especially not the blatant cash-grabs that are day 1 DLC. Even so, I'm fine with it as long as I don't have to pay extra for it - so things like the Signature Edition are great for me.

So...yes, this extra DLC has lost a sale from me. The lack of the Signature Edition on Steam has definitely pushed me off the fence and into the "definitely not buying" territory.

I feel slightly insulted as a customer, really.
And before people say that I could have gotten the SE elsewhere...well, no, I couldn't have. D2D and Impulse aren't selling the game to Australians, the EA store is selling it to us for $89, and the retailers here are probably selling it for more, too. Steam is the only one selling it for a reasonable price. ):

don't worry they'll think of something :3

[AlanC9]

Sabbatine wrote...
Good lord, what happened to Bioware while I wasn't looking...?

They discovered they were a business?

[Darkchipper07]

AlanC9 wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...
Good lord, what happened to Bioware while I wasn't looking...?

They discovered they were a business?

They sell products not services. Also EA owns them?
 

Modifié par Darkchipper07, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:55 .

[Naitaka]

Morroian wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

Morroian wrote...

The optional adventure is tied to the companion not much use having 1 without the other.

Wait, what exactly are you refering to? Unless i'm missing something here, I didn't think The Black Emporium and Sebastian are directly related, nor were Warden Keep and Shale in Origin.

Isn't the Black Emporium just a store? I was talking about Sebastian's companion quest, I assumed thats what you were talking about.

Well someone mentioned that Black Emporium is to DA2 what Shale was to DAO, and same for Warden's Keep and Sebastian. Anyhow, I am hoping that Black Emporium would be like Warden Keep in that it will be a small dungeon which opens up a store like levi and his brother at Warden's Keep after you have completed it.

AlanC9 wrote...

Agree to disagree about what? How DLC gets budgeted and has resources allocated is not a matter of opinion.

That you are fine with the fact that Sebastian is not a free dlc given to every new purchase of DA2 that cost 60$ with less content than DA:O, while I'm not fine with it?

[AlanC9]

Naitaka wrote...

That you are fine with the fact that Sebastian is not a free dlc given to every new purchase of DA2 that cost 60$ with less content than DA:O, while I'm not fine with it?

Oh, that. Sure. 

[AlanC9]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...
Good lord, what happened to Bioware while I wasn't looking...?

They discovered they were a business?

They sell products not services. Also EA owns them?
 

Products not services? What on Earth are you talking about?

[Hedera]

Naitaka wrote...


That you are fine with the fact that Sebastian is not a free dlc given to every new purchase of DA2 that cost 60$ with less content than DA:O, while I'm not fine with it?

I'm not so sure about this part.  Go ahead and make the "7GB" argument, but nothing is proven until the game actually comes out.  For all you know, it could be longer.  

As for the $60 price point, I remember seeing something saying DAII was $49.99 on PC, but that has apparently been dropped.  Sad, but console gamers have been paying $60 for the past five years, so it had to happen eventually.

[Morroian]

Sabbatine wrote...

All this news has sapped my interest in the game. I don't know that I won't buy it day one, but yesterday Dragon Age 2 was my most anticipate game this year... 

Why not pre-order the SE if thats the case.

Sabbatine wrote...

Good lord, what happened to Bioware while I wasn't looking...?  I don't care how good the game looks, jumping through these hoops feels like I'm being punished for being a fan.  

Like Alan said they're a business making big budget mass market games. As for jumping through hoops why not simply buy the base game and leave it at that, no need to jump through any hoops then. 

[Morroian]

Planeforger wrote...

I feel slightly insulted as a customer, really.
And before people say that I could have gotten the SE elsewhere...well, no, I couldn't have. D2D and Impulse aren't selling the game to Australians, the EA store is selling it to us for $89, and the retailers here are probably selling it for more, too. Steam is the only one selling it for a reasonable price. ):

I'm Australian and pre-ordered the disc version of the SE edition for $50AU from CD Wow once it was confirmed that Steam weren't getting the SE edition.

[prazision]

That's one of the main issues, really. Developers always inflate game lengths by 10 hours or so (didn't they say Origins was 80 hours long or more). My two Origins playthroughs clocked in around 60, and that's including Shale and Warden's Keep.

They've said DA2 will be around 30 hours, and also said that roughly 1/4 of the game is "cinematic cutscenes" (I assume that's including conversations, not just "movies").

So, no matter how good it is, for an RPG it's shockingly short, and they expect people who didn't preorder 2 months in advance to pay even more money to add to the (currently very small) roster of companions and quests?

Just because a business is out to make money does not mean they have to use all the dirtiest tactics possible to do so. Believe it or not, some very successful businesses still strive to deliver as much quality content as possible (New Vegas has sold more than any BioWare game, and contains upwards of 80 hours of content, for example).

[Darkchipper07]

AlanC9 wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Sabbatine wrote...
Good lord, what happened to Bioware while I wasn't looking...?

They discovered they were a business?

They sell products not services. Also EA owns them?
 

Products not services? What on Earth are you talking about?

A reference to another company that sells you a game and they continue to support the game for free they used the "the this is a services" line.

[prazision]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Naitaka wrote...


That you are fine with the fact that Sebastian is not a free dlc given to every new purchase of DA2 that cost 60$ with less content than DA:O, while I'm not fine with it?

I'm not so sure about this part.  Go ahead and make the "7GB" argument, but nothing is proven until the game actually comes out.  For all you know, it could be longer.  

As for the $60 price point, I remember seeing something saying DAII was $49.99 on PC, but that has apparently been dropped.  Sad, but console gamers have been paying $60 for the past five years, so it had to happen eventually.

But they have said DA2 will be shorter. They said "ME2 length, around 30 hours".

[Naitaka]

cgrimm54 wrote...

Naitaka wrote...


That you are fine with the fact that Sebastian is not a free dlc given to every new purchase of DA2 that cost 60$ with less content than DA:O, while I'm not fine with it?

I'm not so sure about this part.  Go ahead and make the "7GB" argument, but nothing is proven until the game actually comes out.  For all you know, it could be longer.  

As for the $60 price point, I remember seeing something saying DAII was $49.99 on PC, but that has apparently been dropped.  Sad, but console gamers have been paying $60 for the past five years, so it had to happen eventually.

Dev has already said that DA2 is longer than Awakening and shorter than Origin which I'm fine with. Afterall, Origin had a much longer developement cycle than DA2. As for console gamer paying more, that is mainly due to the royalty paid to the hardware maker, it's really the fault of the fact that people accept such unreasonable price hike in the PC game market from Activision/EA to begin with anyway. However, when you add all these things together, it makes me an disgruntled customer, though, a customer still, unlike the op I guess.

Modifié par Naitaka, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:16 .

[Darkchipper07]

Morroian wrote...

Planeforger wrote...

I feel slightly insulted as a customer, really.
And before people say that I could have gotten the SE elsewhere...well, no, I couldn't have. D2D and Impulse aren't selling the game to Australians, the EA store is selling it to us for $89, and the retailers here are probably selling it for more, too. Steam is the only one selling it for a reasonable price. ):

I'm Australian and pre-ordered the disc version of the SE edition for $50AU from CD Wow once it was confirmed that Steam weren't getting the SE edition.

Planeforger told you

maybe they don't have that store close or they weren't selling it that cheap?

[AlanC9]

prazision wrote...

But they have said DA2 will be shorter. They said "ME2 length, around 30 hours".

ME2 length is "shockingly short"?

[Bryy_Miller]

prazision wrote...

cgrimm54 wrote...

Naitaka wrote...


That you are fine with the fact that Sebastian is not a free dlc given to every new purchase of DA2 that cost 60$ with less content than DA:O, while I'm not fine with it?

I'm not so sure about this part.  Go ahead and make the "7GB" argument, but nothing is proven until the game actually comes out.  For all you know, it could be longer.  

As for the $60 price point, I remember seeing something saying DAII was $49.99 on PC, but that has apparently been dropped.  Sad, but console gamers have been paying $60 for the past five years, so it had to happen eventually.

But they have said DA2 will be shorter. They said "ME2 length, around 30 hours".

Since Origins was a rather long game, that means it has to be the standard, right? You need to remember that Origins was the first really long RPG we've had in a while. Most games are 20 hours.

[Naitaka]

AlanC9 wrote...

ME2 length is "shockingly short"?

Personally, for a RPG game, yes it felt quite short and simplistic to boot. For a 3rd person shooter/advanture though it's just the right length, which is why I always thought of ME2 as the later not the former. I'm more concerned with quality than quantity anyway, Origin was a tad too long with parts like the deep road and Lost in Dream in the fade. It is the, apparent, lower replayability value (no origin, low probability of modding) coupled with shorter length that worries me, not the length of the game alone.

Modifié par Naitaka, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:34 .

[prazision]

"Most games are 20 hours"? Maybe, but not most RPGs. Even Valkyria Chronicles was around 50. Dragon Quest IX, a handheld game, had over 80 hours of core story content.

Mass Effect 2 is not a pure RPG like Dragon Age is.

[Bryy_Miller]

fyi you could speed run Origins in under ten hours.



So how exactly do you gauge what is the standard length of an RPG?

[Naitaka]

The time to run through as much content as one playthrough can offer give or take a few depending on how fast you read?

[Soul Cool]

Naitaka wrote...

The time to run through as much content as one playthrough can offer give or take a few depending on how fast you read?

Lol, so DA:O was ten hours for some people. Especially the people that said "Feh, to heck with side quest."

Hrm, I wonder how long most RPGs would be if we removed side-quest and fetch-quest. Probably immensely shorter.

[Darkchipper07]

Soul Cool wrote...

Naitaka wrote...

The time to run through as much content as one playthrough can offer give or take a few depending on how fast you read?

Lol, so DA:O was ten hours for some people. Especially the people that said "Feh, to heck with side quest."

Hrm, I wonder how long most RPGs would be if we removed side-quest and fetch-quest. Probably immensely shorter.

or already played through it cause if you know the layout of the game already you can just hit 1..........2...............1.................3....................1............... and not read through all the story

[IRMcGhee]

ME2 took me about 50 hours first time through, DA:O over 100. If DA2's the same length as ME2, I'll be quite happy.

Modifié par IRMcGhee, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .

[prazision]

And you can beat Super Mario Bros. 3 in 10 minutes. Your point?

Just because a game can be beaten in a short amount of time has no bearing on the amount of content it has.

[prazision]

IRMcGhee wrote...

ME2 took me about 50 hours first time through, DA:O over 100. If DA2's the same length as ME2, I'll be quite happy.

You'll be happy if a game's sequel has half as much content?