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[Ryzaki]

Really the only reason ME1 and ME2 took longer (for me) is because you can't skip dialogue safely (if you skip you'll end up with Shep saying something you don't want him to say and screw yourself over later on the paragon/renegade points front) as much for some mindboggling reason.  Where's with DAO I can hold escape so it goes much faster. Add that to most cutscenes being unskippable in ME2 where's in DAO they're either skippable or go much faster and I get my time difference.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:23 .

[Cazlee]

Spaghetti_Ninja wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

the
companion dlc is probably worth the money, but an incomplete game is
not worth $60. so i will be waiting for the price to be lower, or just
play a friend's version.

Case in point: people who refer to a game without DLC as ''incomplete''.

Like buying a car and claiming it's incomplete without the optional ''truck nuts'' swinging in front of your window.

I've already explained myself in 3-4 different posts, I don't intend to repeat myself

In my opinon your analogy would be more accurate if you replaced truck nuts with Air Conditioning.
Some basic car packages don't have Air Conditioning and they're not worth considering at all.

Modifié par Cazlee, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:12 .

[Naitaka]

TheMadCat wrote...

Considering how bad the TW games have been as of late I'd hardly consider that a fair trade.

Well, the rate at which TW comes out is much higher than quality single player RPG now a day to compensate though. But you're right, I've not been able to finish any of the recent TW games lately.

[Bryy_Miller]

prazision wrote...

And you can beat Super Mario Bros. 3 in 10 minutes. Your point?
Just because a game can be beaten in a short amount of time has no bearing on the amount of content it has.

You need to stop jumping around topics. Or at least write what you're actually trying to talk about.

[-flashblade-]

EAware allready lost my sale when they removed the two other player races. Third person narative RPGs (or interactive movies) are all over the place now. I have zero interest in Hawke. I allready have one Shepard. I don't need another one. Geralt of Rivia or Hawke from Kirkwall really isn't a contest for me.

And then there is this:

I have serious concerns about the technical quality of the game. I may have personal dislikes with the artistic and/or creative decisions and I'll post based on thosoe, but ultimately that has less influence on my decision to buy or not buy. I think DA:O, despite it's creative success, was a technical nightmare. I think it still is. And I'm not supporting a company that sells what I consider to be a sunstandard (technical, not creatively) product. So I'm not buying now. We'll see about Ultimate Editions that come with DLC and such when the time comes.

Exactly, the damn DAO engine is still leaking memory all over the place and because support of DAO has been scraped in favour of DAII that will forever be the case. And this from the company that supported NWN for more than 5 years. Crappy patch support somewhere? I could point at BioWare and say: "Look there, this is how its done!" Not anymore, a crying shame!

So maybe I am going to pick up an Ultimate Edition when it hits the bargain bin. Not sure though, maybe not even that.

Modifié par -flashblade-, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:03 .

[Naitaka]

Didn't ultimate edition have even MORE problem than the regular one for DA:O? Especially when it comes to DLC authorization. At least that's the impression I got from the tech help forum.

[Morroian]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Planeforger wrote...

I feel slightly insulted as a customer, really.
And before people say that I could have gotten the SE elsewhere...well, no, I couldn't have. D2D and Impulse aren't selling the game to Australians, the EA store is selling it to us for $89, and the retailers here are probably selling it for more, too. Steam is the only one selling it for a reasonable price. ):

I'm Australian and pre-ordered the disc version of the SE edition for $50AU from CD Wow once it was confirmed that Steam weren't getting the SE edition.

Planeforger told you

maybe they don't have that store close or they weren't selling it that cheap?

Read what I wrote, CD Wow is an online retailer, they'll send the game anywhere in Australia.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

its fun seeing the vocal minority like if their boycott will change anything

[Morroian]

prazision wrote...

IRMcGhee wrote...

ME2 took me about 50 hours first time through, DA:O over 100. If DA2's the same length as ME2, I'll be quite happy.

You'll be happy if a game's sequel has half as much content?

Happy is the wrong word IMHO, of course I'd take more content if offered but I understand why its shorter. And there are compensations.

[Morroian]

Cazlee wrote...

the companion dlc is probably worth the money, but an incomplete game is not worth $60.

Good thing its not incomplete then.

Is ME2 incomplete without Shadow Broker or Kasumi?

[Morroian]

-flashblade- wrote...

EAware allready lost my sale when they removed the two other player races. 

Big deal, thats a wholly subjective preference, and not in any way cheating the consumer.

Modifié par Morroian, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:29 .

[prazision]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

its fun seeing the vocal minority like if their boycott will change anything

It's fun seeing people so naive that they don't understand every consumer counts.
By your logic, I shouldn't vote, because one vote never makes a difference.

[Youmu]

prazision wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

its fun seeing the vocal minority like if their boycott will change anything

It's fun seeing people so naive that they don't understand every consumer counts.
By your logic, I shouldn't vote, because one vote never makes a difference.

But it obviously doesn't count.

See, Modern Warfare 2 boycott. See Left4Dead 2 boycott. Despite those two getting a lot louder group of people going "omg what a rip-off don't buy!!1", both of those had huge sales. DA2 already is shaping up to be a giant seller.

Sure they'd be raking in more dineros if they got the boycott-group to buy, but why bother. They can't possibly please everyone anyways.

And this is coming from someone who was boycotting L4D2 and now DA2 (due to the "negotiations"). L4D2 I eventually got for 5e. Maybe I'll pay about the same for DA2, eventually.

Modifié par Youmu, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:04 .

[Cazlee]

Morroian wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

the companion dlc is probably worth the money, but an incomplete game is not worth $60.

Good thing its not incomplete then.

Is ME2 incomplete without Shadow Broker or Kasumi?

1. What percentage of the game will be available on day one for $60? (Specifically ignoring things like equipment, weapons and the music soundtrack.)
92%? 
Is 92% 100%?

2. How much of the game can I play without losing out on content from the Bonus Character DLC should I decide to download it later?
25%?
Your solution in a previous reply was to download the DLC, then start the game over. That's not acceptable.
If the DLC's content is integrated with practically the full game, then it should have been included as a part of  the full game.

PS. I've never played ME. I don't know what Shadow Broker or Kasumi is.

Modifié par Cazlee, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:40 .

[Deadmac]

Its rather simple...

"Dragon Age II: Preorder Edition" = $60.00
--- Contains:
    * The Lion of Orlais Sheild (info)
    * The Fadeshear Sword
    * A fighting Mabari War Hound
    * The Mirror of Transformation
    * Access to exclusive Magic and Crafting Stores
   * The Exiled Prince (DLC)

"Dragon Age II: Ultimate Edition" = $39.99/$29.99
--- Contains:
    * The Expansion Pack to DA II (Whatever that one will be.)
    * All DLC made for the game.
    * All special items sold in editions released

Hmmm.... No brainer. Instead of spending $60 on two games and $7 on each DLC component ($120+$7 per dlc), you can have it all for a very-very low cost of $39.99. What is the catch? You have to wait out the hype and use some patience. EA-BioWare will get greedy enough to release another Ultimate edition, but it will be for the "Dragon Age II" saga. Trust me. It will happen.

All you need is patience, and to not get caught up in the hype.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:16 .

[Darkchipper07]

Youmu wrote...

prazision wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

its fun seeing the vocal minority like if their boycott will change anything

It's fun seeing people so naive that they don't understand every consumer counts.
By your logic, I shouldn't vote, because one vote never makes a difference.

But it obviously doesn't count.

See, Modern Warfare 2 boycott. See Left4Dead 2 boycott. Despite those two getting a lot louder group of people going "omg what a rip-off don't buy!!1", both of those had huge sales. DA2 already is shaping up to be a giant seller.

Sure they'd be raking in more dineros if they got the boycott-group to buy, but why bother. They can't possibly please everyone anyways.

And this is coming from someone who was boycotting L4D2 and now DA2 (due to the "negotiations"). L4D2 I eventually got for 5e. Maybe I'll pay about the same for DA2, eventually.

Boycotts were from for PC game and since everyone knows that the pc doesn't sell as much as the console yeah.................... People are dumb they like buying games like Bad ops which is the same game that they sold last year and the year before that. Left 4 dead 2 was what killed left 4 dead 1 even if valve said it wouldn't it did. Left 4 dead 1 players on the xbox have have to choose to buy the dlc or buy a new game with new maps more weapons what do you think they'll choose. So I blame consoles for there poor services as the reason companies don't listen.

[88mphSlayer]

i'm not sure why everybody is in a tither over steam not getting extra content, i got burned really badly on all of the extra content for Dragon Age Origins



i only buy PC games via steam unless they're made by blizzard anyways, so none of this bothers me, i don't feel like buying from steam is going to be a loss at all - more likely a plus

[SnowHeart1]

Deadmac wrote...

Its rather simple...  *snip* 

All you need is patience, and to not get caught up in the hype.

Such a non-issue, no offense. This is standard business practice.  First-adopters of technology always pay more than folks who wait, and game prices usually come down appreciably after a few months (with a few exceptions like Sims 3, etc.).  To suggest, as others have, it means the original game is "incomplete"... god, I'm so sick of hearing that phrase.  

As for the car analogy, no, it's not like truck nuts or air conditioning.  It's like LED headlights, an upgrade to the Bose stereo, etc.  The freaking thing works and gets you from point A to B in relative style and comfort (it's a Bioware game).  The question is whether you want to pay extra for more options and upgrades to make your ride more nifty.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 13 janvier 2011 - 04:15 .

[AlanC9]

Cazlee wrote...


In my opinon your analogy would be more accurate if you replaced truck nuts with Air Conditioning.
Some basic car packages don't have Air Conditioning and they're not worth considering at all.

Depends on where you live, doesn't it? Living in New York I don't feel any need for it.

[AlanC9]

Cazlee wrote...
1. What percentage of the game will be available on day one for $60? (Specifically ignoring things like equipment, weapons and the music soundtrack.)
92%? 
Is 92% 100%?

No, it's 100%. If you preordered and got Sebastian then it's 108%.

[Naitaka]

I still think my steak analogy was better. Not just because that it's more pleasant to imagine a steak of course.

[KyleOrdrum]

If you don't want to buy the game, fine don't. But why must we hear about it? Do you think if you complain enough they will go back to the drawing board and for instance add the other races back in?

[Naitaka]

KyleOrdrum wrote...

If you don't want to buy the game, fine don't. But why must we hear about it? Do you think if you complain enough they will go back to the drawing board and for instance add the other races back in?

If you don't want to hear about people complaining about the game, why must you read it? Do you think if you complain enough they will go back to their room and unplug their internet and stop visiting the forum altogether?

The simple answer, because it's a forum.

[AlanC9]

Deadmac wrote...

Its rather simple...

"Dragon Age II: Preorder Edition" = $60.00
--- Contains:
    * The Lion of Orlais Sheild (info)
    * The Fadeshear Sword
    * A fighting Mabari War Hound
    * The Mirror of Transformation
    * Access to exclusive Magic and Crafting Stores
   * The Exiled Prince (DLC)

"Dragon Age II: Ultimate Edition" = $39.99/$29.99
--- Contains:
    * The Expansion Pack to DA II (Whatever that one will be.)
    * All DLC made for the game.
    * All special items sold in editions released

Hmmm.... No brainer. Instead of spending $60 on two games and $7 on each DLC component ($120+$7 per dlc), you can have it all for a very-very low cost of $39.99. What is the catch? You have to wait out the hype and use some patience. EA-BioWare will get greedy enough to release another Ultimate edition, but it will be for the "Dragon Age II" saga. Trust me. It will happen.

All you need is patience, and to not get caught up in the hype.

Sure, but waiting to get the game cheap works with or without DLC.  HoI3 costs $8nowadays, for instance

Wait even longer on the Ultimate edition and you'll be able to get that for $10.

[FurousJoe]

What can I say, I'm a sucker for this. I already bought the game twice. Once on EA for signature edition, and twice on Steam for download convinience. On top of that I've been hunting the items like Hindsight and Staff of Phartalan :-)