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[AlanC9]

I guess if I moved a lot I'd see the attraction too. But I kind of like having the physical souvenirs.

[TheMadCat]

OK -- so preorders are out of the question for you, period. You could have put that in your first post, you know.

Not totally out of the question, I've pre-ordered a ton of games before. But it's usually been within a couple of weeks of release when games start to get more unbiased and unshackled coverage and we're seeing what we can actually expect and not just glimpses and promises because the game is not quite done as BioWare likes to remind us occasionally.

[MDarwin]

Morroian wrote...

prazision wrote...

Almost no games used to have demos. Now almost all of them do. How this concept is being misunderstood is beyond me.
I'm a troll because I think BioWare has released too little information about a game that's 2 months away from release, and because I think it's a dirty tactic to end the Signature Edition bonus before anyone has much info at all about the game?

Anyone? I haven't seen too many complaints about not enough info being available. 

I disagree. If people started wondering/complaining about how odd/awful screenes looked:Explanation: Old Screenes. If people mumbeld/complaint about the game in general: Explanation: Not enough info out there.

Go and figure.

[AlanC9]

TheMadCat wrote...

Not totally out of the question, I've pre-ordered a ton of games before. But it's usually been within a couple of weeks of release when games start to get more unbiased and unshackled coverage and we're seeing what we can actually expect and not just glimpses and promises because the game is not quite done as BioWare likes to remind us occasionally.

I guess I'm actually more cynical than you are, then. I don't find any previews convincing. I don't think any preview pointed out the serious deficiencies in NWN1's OC, for instance. Actually, I had to wait for user commentary to learn about that.

[Setroth]

I think Origins had too much DLC. I stopped purchasing them after the joke that was Darkspawn Chronicles(?). Hopefully this time around they offer less, more quality DLC that compliments the game's experience rather than detracts from it.

Modifié par Setroth, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:09 .

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...
I guess I'm actually more cynical than you are, then. I don't find any previews convincing. I don't think any preview pointed out the serious deficiencies in NWN1's OC, for instance. Actually, I had to wait for user commentary to learn about that.

You're smarter then I am because I've certainly gotten burned a few times (Far Cry 2). Generally though I'm able to decent idea on how well the game is going to end up during the publishers mass advertisement blitz. There's usually a lot more unscripted previews, gameplay demos for them are opened up a bit more, more gameplay videos get released, you'll get finer details from unbiased sources about various aspects, and so on. Still not full proof but generally I can pick up the vibe, and if the pre-order bonuses are decent I may take the risk. But 3 months prior? No chance.

I just don't see how anyone can possibly state that there's clearly enough evidence to convince them the game will defintly be a good game at this point in time considering the vast majority of info to date has been released by the EA/BioWare marketing department, a few short preivews based on incredibly small sample sizes, and a few players with wide ranging opnions that tried the game out at a couple of events. It's just strange to me.

[Beerfish]

TheMadCat wrote...

I just don't see how anyone can possibly state that there's clearly enough evidence to convince them the game will defintly be a good game at this point in time considering the vast majority of info to date has been released by the EA/BioWare marketing department, a few short preivews based on incredibly small sample sizes, and a few players with wide ranging opnions that tried the game out at a couple of events. It's just strange to me.

The game mechanics are similar to the last game which was okay.  It has a dialouge wheel like mass effect had which is okay.  It has the same writers as DAO and the companions they have revelled have been interesting.  That's enough for many people, myself included.  Will this guarantee that the game will be terrific?  Not at all but the reasons I listed above are enough for many people to be pretty sure that they will at the very least get their money's worth out if the game even if it is not a BioWare classic.

[Bryy_Miller]

TheMadCat wrote...

I just don't see how anyone can possibly state that there's clearly enough evidence to convince them the game will defintly be a good game at this point in time considering the vast majority of info to date has been released by the EA/BioWare marketing department, a few short preivews based on incredibly small sample sizes, and a few players with wide ranging opnions that tried the game out at a couple of events. It's just strange to me.

Well, that's ever previewed game ever. Also, different opinions.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[Merci357]

TheMadCat wrote...

You're smarter then I am because I've certainly gotten burned a few times (Far Cry 2). Generally though I'm able to decent idea on how well the game is going to end up during the publishers mass advertisement blitz. There's usually a lot more unscripted previews, gameplay demos for them are opened up a bit more, more gameplay videos get released, you'll get finer details from unbiased sources about various aspects, and so on. Still not full proof but generally I can pick up the vibe, and if the pre-order bonuses are decent I may take the risk. But 3 months prior? No chance.

I just don't see how anyone can possibly state that there's clearly enough evidence to convince them the game will defintly be a good game at this point in time considering the vast majority of info to date has been released by the EA/BioWare marketing department, a few short preivews based on incredibly small sample sizes, and a few players with wide ranging opnions that tried the game out at a couple of events. It's just strange to me.

Honestly, I'm not 100% convinced, either. I preordered anyhow the SE. That's of course some faith, but then again, it's also no risk, since I can cancel at any time prior to release - with no monetary loss. How is it strange to simply keep an option open, when zero risk is involved?

[Morroian]

TheMadCat wrote...

You're smarter then I am because I've certainly gotten burned a few times (Far Cry 2). 

Nothing wrong with Far Cry 2, well no I suppose there was, but its strength's more than made up for it.

I agree with Beerfish on the info available.

[Merced652]

A huge knock on mafia 2 was how they developed content side by side the main game with the intention of selling it as DLC. The game felt incomplete because of that. I don't think DA:O suffered from this, hell i don't like many of the DLCs because they reward overpowered gear and make the game easy.. well that and most of them were horribly done anyway.



Will DA2 suffer from this? Hopefully, then maybe EA and the rest of the industry will stop shoving DLC down our throat.

[TheMadCat]

Beerfish wrote...
The game mechanics are similar to the last game which was okay.  It has a dialouge wheel like mass effect had which is okay.  It has the same writers as DAO and the companions they have revelled have been interesting.  That's enough for many people, myself included.  Will this guarantee that the game will be terrific?  Not at all but the reasons I listed above are enough for many people to be pretty sure that they will at the very least get their money's worth out if the game even if it is not a BioWare classic.

Similar, sure (Though not sure that's a good thing since I found the mechanics in Origins to be meh). Do they lean more towards better or worse no ones really sure about yet. The companions, no clue how you can tell they'll be interesting based of a little snippet of information. Maybe it's the little bit of cynic in me, but that's all faith and hope rather then evidence and facts.

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Well, that's ever previewed game ever. Also, different opinions.

Er, no. Many games have been ripped in previews, many previews have gone into great depth on the good and bad. Plenty of good previews get put out, but hardly ever are the months before a release. No clue why you think that's every previewed game ever.

Merci357 wrote...

Honestly, I'm not 100% convinced,
either. I preordered anyhow the SE. That's of course some faith, but
then again, it's also no risk, since I can cancel at any time prior to
release - with no monetary loss. How is it strange to simply keep an
option open, when zero risk is involved?

Wasn't so much making a jab at the notion or pre-ordering as I was the notion that there is clearly enough evidence out there that this will be a great game.

Morroian wrote...

Nothing wrong with Far Cry 2, well no I suppose there was, but its strength's more than made up for it.

Far Cry 2 had strengths?

[AlanC9]

TheMadCat wrote...
Similar, sure (Though not sure that's a good thing since I found the mechanics in Origins to be meh). Do they lean more towards better or worse no ones really sure about yet. The companions, no clue how you can tell they'll be interesting based of a little snippet of information. Maybe it's the little bit of cynic in me, but that's all faith and hope rather then evidence and facts.

But you think it's possible that you'll be able to tell if the DA2 companions are interesting pre-release? How did you know this about DAO's characters -- assuming you found them interesting, that is.

Same thing for mechanics, really. I don't see what more they can tell us short of putting out a demo, which isn't likely.

[AlanC9]

Merced652 wrote...

A huge knock on mafia 2 was how they developed content side by side the main game with the intention of selling it as DLC. The game felt incomplete because of that. I don't think DA:O suffered from this, hell i don't like many of the DLCs

Was it? I thought the problems with Mafia 2 were dull gameplay, a poor endgame, and bad AI. Never played it myself

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...

But you think it's possible that you'll be able to tell if the DA2 companions are interesting pre-release? How did you know this about DAO's characters -- assuming you found them interesting, that is.

Same thing for mechanics, really. I don't see what more they can tell us short of putting out a demo, which isn't likely.

Companions I honestly don't look at pre-release because I know there isn't a whole lot I'm going to get on them that's actually worth while and all in all I view companions as a whole as relatively minor features, if they're good that just adds to the atmosphere in the game, if they're bad then I ignore them as often as possible.

Mechanics though I can certainly gather enough information to form an educated opinion come release date. By that point in time there's almost always been enough put on my plate to give myself an amount of certainty. Up to this point for DA2 we've only really seen short, sparatic clips and shots of the various mechanics for DA2. I'm honestly not really sure what to expect from DA2 on a lot of features.

[ClayMeow]

I pre-ordered the DAO CE almost immediately after it was released.



I will NOT be pre-ordering DA2 because I missed the SE deadline and now there is absolutely no point. Day 1 DLC is complete BS. It was tolerable with DAO because EVERY person who bought a new copy received it for free, but that's not the case with DA2. EA effed up and Bioware let them.



So yes, they will be losing my sale because of the Day 1 DLC, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one. At this point, I'll most likely hold off until a Steam sale comes around and knocks the price 50% and includes all DLC to date.

[AlanC9]

Clarify something, Clay. If there was no DLC at all, would you still wait for a Steam sale to buy DA2? And why did you buy the DAO CE?

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:25 .

[Cazlee]

Nope. Imo they added the wrong DLC to the package.

[mr_nameless]

Today is January 14 2011, still no long solid PC gameplay video (exploration, menues etcc.... WTF. Frack CG cutscenes give us some bloody RPG content! This game is already a sinking ship DLC or not.

[Morroian]

mr_nameless wrote...

Today is January 14 2011, still no long solid PC gameplay video (exploration, menues etcc.... WTF. Frack CG cutscenes give us some bloody RPG content! This game is already a sinking ship DLC or not.

The combat video had PC content.

[prazision]

AlanC9 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...
Similar, sure (Though not sure that's a good thing since I found the mechanics in Origins to be meh). Do they lean more towards better or worse no ones really sure about yet. The companions, no clue how you can tell they'll be interesting based of a little snippet of information. Maybe it's the little bit of cynic in me, but that's all faith and hope rather then evidence and facts.

But you think it's possible that you'll be able to tell if the DA2 companions are interesting pre-release? How did you know this about DAO's characters -- assuming you found them interesting, that is.

Same thing for mechanics, really. I don't see what more they can tell us short of putting out a demo, which isn't likely.

Are you forgetting the Ostagar walkthrough they released to preview Origins? It was a far cry from the current official combat demo, which is a 30 second fight against a few generic thugs that basically says "You can spaz out and flip around and finish this fight in 30 seconds, or you can pause and issue orders and drag it out to 90 seconds", which is like saying "Yeah the game has an automap, but the cool thing is, we're also giving you a pencil and a notebook!"

[Dave of Canada]

ClayMeow wrote...

I pre-ordered the DAO CE almost immediately after it was released.

I will NOT be pre-ordering DA2 because I missed the SE deadline and now there is absolutely no point. Day 1 DLC is complete BS. It was tolerable with DAO because EVERY person who bought a new copy received it for free, but that's not the case with DA2. EA effed up and Bioware let them.

So yes, they will be losing my sale because of the Day 1 DLC, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one. At this point, I'll most likely hold off until a Steam sale comes around and knocks the price 50% and includes all DLC to date.

You were fine with not getting Warden's Keep with Dragon Age: Origins, what's wrong with DA2's day one DLC?

How did EA/Bioware screw up if you didn't preorder before now?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:29 .

[Naitaka]

Dave of Canada wrote...

ClayMeow wrote...

I pre-ordered the DAO CE almost immediately after it was released.

I will NOT be pre-ordering DA2 because I missed the SE deadline and now there is absolutely no point. Day 1 DLC is complete BS. It was tolerable with DAO because EVERY person who bought a new copy received it for free, but that's not the case with DA2. EA effed up and Bioware let them.

So yes, they will be losing my sale because of the Day 1 DLC, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one. At this point, I'll most likely hold off until a Steam sale comes around and knocks the price 50% and includes all DLC to date.

You were fine with not getting Warden's Keep with Dragon Age: Origins, what's wrong with DA2's day one DLC?

How did EA/Bioware screw up if you didn't preorder before now?

Because not playing Warden's Keep from the beginning of my playthrough would not make me miss 80% of the content that it offers while getting a companion mod well past the beginning of the game would mean restarting from scratch most likely?

[Dave of Canada]

Naitaka wrote...

Because not playing Warden's Keep from the beginning of my playthrough would not make me miss 80% of the content that it offers while getting a companion mod well past the beginning of the game would mean restarting from scratch most likely?

He's arguing against day one DLC, not the type of DLC he's recieving.

[MDarwin]

Hmm, I hope BW/EA and other companies are not out, to turn many gamers also in to DLC Junkies.

*Ducks for Cover*