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[Meltemph]

Based of some responses all this dlc coming most people i know say they will wait for goty edition and its like there trying lose day one customers.

Rarely ever do I actually believe people when they "protest" by making sure they come to the forums about it. Most of it is bloviating, imo. Specially when you can see that most of the people make sure to stick around.

[Morroian]

Cazlee wrote...

That puts a new light on things, but I still feel like the bare bone game is an incomplete version. The DLC isn't just an additional adventure campaign, it's something that is integrated with the full game.

WK and RTO weren't needed to make DAO complete, the ME2 DLC weren't needed to make ME2 complete. I'd actually rather DLC be add ons to the main game than a mini adventure afterward.

[Onyx Jaguar]

I felt like the DA:O dlc somehow made the game less complete when I installed it

but that is probably because I was hanging upside down and the whole room turned to purple

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:08 .

[TwistedComplex]

Mordaedil wrote...

They lost my sale ages ago, but I was kinda curious after the last Gamespot preview and lost interest again with this news of DLC being released as bait to get people to buy the game.
No, Bioware. Tricks are for kids!

A company using incentives to pre-order? NO!!! Say it ain't so!

[arafinwe_ingalaure]

I don't think they will lose any customer because of DLC. Thought bad DLC can hurts DLC sales. The Mass Effect DLC weren't loong engouh for the price we paid (Except Lair Of The Shadow Broker). Bethesda is the best company when it's time to release DLC.

[0rz0]

It's all there to promote first hand buys - some kind of pseudo "copy protection", since reselling's been a thorn in EA's foot since a while.



Anyway people who decided to buy will still buy, the company wouldn't make this move if it meant reduced profits. Beieve me, they're smart when it comes to such things even if it's not always apparent.

[Cazlee]

Morroian wrote...

Cazlee wrote...

That puts a new light on things, but I still feel like the bare bone game is an incomplete version. The DLC isn't just an additional adventure campaign, it's something that is integrated with the full game.

WK and RTO weren't needed to make DAO complete, the ME2 DLC weren't needed to make ME2 complete. I'd actually rather DLC be add ons to the main game than a mini adventure afterward.

I was referring to the bonus companion.
At any rate, everyone has a breaking point and I'm sure that EA have done enough analysis to determine that despite the loss of some customers, this scheme will net them the most profit.

[AlanC9]

Cazlee wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

They lost my sale ages ago, but I was kinda curious after the last Gamespot preview and lost interest again with this news of DLC being released as bait to get people to buy the game.
No, Bioware. Tricks are for kids!

Bait? Tricks? How can something be either when we know what we're getting and what we're paying?

Because you don't? You ordered 3 months before the product is out.

Actually, I didn't. But I guess some folks have. 

So the argument is that any incentive to preorder is inherently.... deceptive? No, that can't be it. You know that a preorder means you have to buy before reviews are out. What, then?

[The Edge]

I'm a "wait for reviews" type of guy, so I feel somewhat at a disadvantage having free DLC hanging over my head if I take the plunge and preorder.



Will it affect sales? Not really, because it'll only affect those that think negatively on DLC and the few that refuse to buy the game because of it.

If it's a good game, which it's shaping up to be, I'll buy it eventually. It's just a shame that I'm missing out for being cautious with my money.

[mr_luga]

I dont like it much myself, seems to me, soon we're just buying the initial 50% of the game, and we' got to pay additional cash to get the remaining 50%

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Preordering a game is like playing russian roulette. Dont slobber on the barrel and pull that trigger.

[Morroian]

Cazlee wrote...

Morroian wrote...

WK and RTO weren't needed to make DAO complete, the ME2 DLC weren't needed to make ME2 complete. I'd actually rather DLC be add ons to the main game than a mini adventure afterward.

I was referring to the bonus companion.

The ME2 DLC added companions.

[Wicked 702]

Been mainly avoiding posting on or discussing this topic and others. Probably for the same reasons previously mentioned. Many times those that talk about doing something rarely actually DO IT. It's the ones that act without the big song-'n-dance that tend to stick to their guns. So now that I've said that, let me proceed to make a total a** out of myself by talking about what I plan to do.

I have serious concerns about the technical quality of the game. I may have personal dislikes with the artistic and/or creative decisions and I'll post based on those, but ultimately that has less influence on my decision to buy or not buy. I think DA:O, despite it's creative success, was a technical nightmare. I think it still is. And I'm not supporting a company that sells what I consider to be a sunstandard (technical, not creatively) product. So I'm not buying now. We'll see about Ultimate Editions that come with DLC and such when the time comes.

[Maria Caliban]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Preordering a game is like playing russian roulette. Dont slobber on the barrel and pull that trigger.

Yes, pre-ordering a game from a company that's provided me with some of my favorite games is like possibly blowing my brains out. That's a perfect metaphor.

Spending $60 on something I'll probably love = Death!

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Yes. Because it could be so terrible you might actually do it.

Not everyone that preorders it is going to feel the same way you do some are going to bite the bullet and probably never preorder a dragon age again.

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:35 .

[Merci357]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Preordering a game is like playing russian roulette. Dont slobber on the barrel and pull that trigger.

Preordering is just an option, isn't it? Zero risk involved, since with many retailers you don't even have to put down a deposit. If early march reviews turn out to be good, I'll get the game on release day. And since NA get's it earlier then us Europeans, I've plenty options to get solid information. Otherwise I cancel with no monetary loss.
How is this related to russian roulette?

Modifié par Merci357, 13 janvier 2011 - 12:39 .

[prazision]

Schneidend wrote...

Mordaedil wrote...

They lost my sale ages ago, but I was kinda curious after the last Gamespot preview and lost interest again with this news of DLC being released as bait to get people to buy the game.
No, Bioware. Tricks are for kids!

You could call it a "trick," if you were a wholly irrational person.

These are "buy it new instead of used incentives."

Actually, given how early the SE bonus expired, I think it's more of a "commit to the game before you know anything about it" trick. Which raises many questions about the quality of the game. 2 months before the release of Origins or ME2, there was a huge amount of official confirmed information. For this game, they won't even confirm companions or a basic storyline yet. That smells fishy.

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...

Actually, I didn't. But I guess some folks have. 

So the argument is that any incentive to preorder is inherently.... deceptive? No, that can't be it. You know that a preorder means you have to buy before reviews are out. What, then?

You don't think that there's a little trickery about throwing out what are mostly useless goodies (The Companion DLC looks nice though) in order to get people to buy a game months prior to it's release when they know very little information relative to the game itself? Not really deceptive but certainly baiting, not that there's anything inherently wrong with that.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I'm getting =all= DLC announced to date for free. HA. HA.

Modifié par RinpocheSchnozberry, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:06 .

[TheMadCat]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I'm getting =all= DLC announced to date for free. HA. HA.

Not really, what'd you pay $45? $60?

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Throwing in useless goodies has become the norm for preordering.



Sorta like how gamestop has exclusive items when you preorder with them instead of anywhere else.



Yes its baiting and it works. Its just something you have to accept because game companies are not stopping anytime soon.

[Felfenix]

I used to be really against the idea of DLC, but... I much prefer it over how things were pre-DLC. Imagine KOTOR2 if it had been made in this gaming era. The reality is, without DLC, all we'd get ANYWAY is the stuff that comes in the game without DLC. It's not like they'd pack in pre-order stuff with the game otherwise, or even DLC stuff. DLC gives the opportunity for the developers to add to and expand the game in various directions, some they normally never would have been able to, such as with Leliana's Song, for example. We would have never seen something like that without DLC. One of the better things about DLC though is that they're optional. I loved Shale, but I personally didn't think Darkspawn Chronicles sounded appealing, so I didn't buy it.

[AlanC9]

TheMadCat wrote...


You don't think that there's a little trickery about throwing out what are mostly useless goodies (The Companion DLC looks nice though) in order to get people to buy a game months prior to it's release when they know very little information relative to the game itself? Not really deceptive but certainly baiting, not that there's anything inherently wrong with that.

Maybe we mean different things by baiting. When I talk about baiting something I'm thinking of fishing -- the point of bait is to get the fish to do something that he really wouldn't want to do if he knew what was going on, rather than to get the fish to do something that he might just not bother doing if I can't talk him into it.

So it would be baiting if Bio actually thinks that DA2 is a bad game. But I don't believe that they think DA2 is a bad game.

Edit: I guess that means that I equate baiting with deception.

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:29 .

[Soul Cool]

Yes, that completely refundable $5 that I put down to get an SE copy was a moronic idea. Especially since I have had an absolutely smashing time with every BioWare game that I have played to this day. I obviously lack some sort of quasi-mystical future-seeing that allow the master race to determine whether or not paying the exact same price as I would for the regular game to get the bonus DLC for free is such a bad idea.

Hilarious, really.