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[AlanC9]

prazision wrote...

Actually, given how early the SE bonus expired, I think it's more of a "commit to the game before you know anything about it" trick. Which raises many questions about the quality of the game. 2 months before the release of Origins or ME2, there was a huge amount of official confirmed information. For this game, they won't even confirm companions or a basic storyline yet. That smells fishy.

How is that a "trick"? You know what you don't know.

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...
Maybe we mean different things by baiting. When I talk about baiting something I'm thinking of fishing -- the point of bait is to get the fish to do something that he really wouldn't want to do if he knew what was going on, rather than to get the fish to do something that he might just not bother doing if I can't talk him into it.

So it would be baiting if Bio actually thinks that DA2 is a bad game. But I don't believe that they think DA2 is a bad game.

Edit: I guess that means that I equate baiting with deception.

Yeah, that's what  I view as deception. Doing things to get people to buy something you know is bad or broken, like car dealers and a lemon. Baiting is putting things out there to encourage people to buy something they might not otherwise buy at this point in time. Like I said there's nothing really wrong with it, but it's not like it's motive free and only a benefit to the community.

[Deadmac]

xnoxiousx wrote...
Based of some responses all this dlc coming most people i know say they will wait for goty edition and its like there trying lose day one customers.

Yes.

However, the loss in sales will not occur in the manner in which everyone thinks. If you read the replies that followed your opening statement, everyone who has answered assumed that die-hard fans will purchase the DLC separately. Since BioWare will eventually release a "Dragon Age II: Ultimate Edition", with all the DLCs included at a low cost, many gamers will hold off buying the separate downloads. Some may even hold off buying the game until such an edition is available; thus, they are patient enough to ride out the hype and high prices. I will do the later. Sure, I will miss out on all the online story debates, but I will save a ton of cash by just waiting everything out.

Patient and intelligent consumers will win out this time. Even though a BioWare representative may swear that such an edition will not be available, I expect their greed (temptation) to win over the long term.

After experiencing this new direction BioWare is heading (dlc), I have decided that I will not be buying "Star Wars: The Old Republic". If the download content for "Dragon Age" is an indicator, I now have low expectations for "The Old Republic". Upon learning that "The Old Republic" was going to be a MMORPG, I knew a touch of greed had entered into the hearts and minds of BioWare.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:44 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

TheMadCat wrote...

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

I'm getting =all= DLC announced to date for free. HA. HA.

Not really, what'd you pay $45? $60?

That's right.  Many bucks less than you'll pay without a preorder.  Cause you are getting the game.

Nyah nyah!

[Morroian]

prazision wrote...

Actually, given how early the SE bonus expired, I think it's more of a "commit to the game before you know anything about it" trick. Which raises many questions about the quality of the game. 2 months before the release of Origins or ME2, there was a huge amount of official confirmed information. For this game, they won't even confirm companions or a basic storyline yet. That smells fishy.

Oh please there was plenty of information available about the game by the 11th January (and yes the basic storyline is confirmed). Certainly enough to evaluate whether you wanted to pre-order it or not. If you didn't want to pre-order cause you didn't like what you were hearing, fine but don't now whine about missing out.

[Soul Cool]

Deadmac wrote...
After experiencing this new direction BioWare is heading (dlc), I have decided that I will not be buying "Star Wars: The Old Republic". If the download content for "Dragon Age" is an indicator, I now have low expectations for "The Old Republic".

I was kind of up with you to this point (Not that I agree, but that I can see where you're coming from.), but you just flabbergasted me here. You don't want an MMROPG to have expanded content? What madness is this?

Modifié par Soul Cool, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:37 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Stop asking for spoilers you crazy people!



WHY

[Onyx Jaguar]

Soul Cool wrote...

Deadmac wrote...
After experiencing this new direction BioWare is heading (dlc), I have decided that I will not be buying "Star Wars: The Old Republic". If the download content for "Dragon Age" is an indicator, I now have low expectations for "The Old Republic".

I was kind of up with you to this point (Not that I agree, but that I can see where you're coming from.), but you just flabbergasted me here. You don't want an MMROPG to have expanded content? What madness is this?

Its a new wave of MMORPG gamer, they want to play the same game worlds and just GRINDGRINDGRINDGRIND

[Soul Cool]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Its a new wave of MMORPG gamer, they want to play the same game worlds and just GRINDGRINDGRINDGRIND

I love grind as much as the next person (Incredibly little), but that's...I don't even know a word for it. Masochistic?

[prazision]

Actually preorder money is not refundable at most stores. Gamestop will not give you your money back, they'll only let you use it on a different game.

Considering how short and uncompelling the DLC for Origins was (I completed Witch Hunt in an hour, and none of those 60 minutes were fun, Darkspawn Chronicles was unique but took about 45 minutes, Leliana's Song was 90 minutes and decent but for the same amount of money I could have seen a brilliant 2 hour film) I doubt I'll be missing anything by waiting for the "ultimate edition".

[Deadmac]

Soul Cool wrote...
I was kind of up with you to this point (Not that I agree, but that I can see where you're coming from.), but you just flabbergasted me here. You don't want an MMROPG to have expanded content? What madness is this?

Online content for games is similar to the old 1-800 scemes, which companies used to eploit children in the early eighties. You call the 1-800 number to hear a message from your favorite television character, and you get charged for each time you place the call. Since the message keeps changing daily (and children don't know better), the company gains wealth over the nieve.

Let me see if I can find an example online...

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 01:47 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Were people this ridiculous when NeverWinter Nights was in its heyday?

[marshalleck]

prazision wrote...
 I doubt I'll be missing anything by waiting for the "ultimate edition".

Well, except for the entire game. For about a year.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Since I was going to pre-order the game anyway (that way my local game store will call me as soon as they get the crate) getting goodies for doing so is a nice bonus for me.



I have seen absolutely nothing that makes me think that I will not enjoy DAII. Assuming I do, I will cheerfully fork out for the extra DLC released down the line, same as I did with DAO.

[Mad Method]

xnoxiousx wrote...

Based of some responses all this dlc coming most people i know say they will wait for goty edition and its like there trying lose day one customers.

In my case I'm holding my breath to see whether or not I want to fish DA2 GOTY out of the bargain bin. DAO was a disappointment. Everything else DA-related spanned the range from mediocre to atrocious and was generally made on a low budget and absurdly short development time, and now DA2 is being released in record time with a special pre-order incentive bonus so you put claim to the product before you even know what you're getting. Excuse me for adopting a very cautious outlook on this product.

What I am preordering is The Witcher 2.

As for the general subject matter, I think it's very clear that Bioware's low quality DLC and Awakening have done a lot to erode customer confidence in the DA franchise. But mostly, customer confidence was eroded in bonus offerings, so a lot of people who hated all the DLC and everything can still be expected to buy the core game proper. Overall, I imagine Bioware won't be hurting too much for sales unless they release a spectacularly bad product for the game, but I imagine it will be alright for Bioware standards and in a few ways a step up from DAO, but it will also be shorter than people would like (and considerably shorter than DAO). And then you shall have DLC again.

AlanC9 wrote...

How is that a "trick"? You know what you don't know.

Certainly, no one has ever been tricked before while knowing they don't know enough.

Modifié par Mad Method, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:50 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Neverwinter Nights was not  giving you trivial content for preordering.

The way they market games now. Only other example i can think of is Fable 3.

I preordered that game and they literally had dlc lined up the day after it was released which made you question why they did that. They already have the items ready they are just choosing not to give you the entire game.

Like popular armor dye. They were selling the black armor dye the day after but people had a ****fit and they took it down quickly and put it back up later. They had a spot missing in the shelf with all the dyes where the black dye should have been meaning they knew there was gonna be a demand for it but that did not stop them.

Modifié par Follow Me on Twitter, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:05 .

[Mad Method]

Right,

Day One DLC certainly rubs me the wrong way too, and I certainly don't believe I'm the only one who feels this way. I actually made a thread about this a while ago where I discussed this in more depth: Warden's Keep - A Truly Fascinating Phenomenon. Mind, the OP is just a Penny Arcade comic and article about Bioware Day One DLC salesmanship. The thread also sprawls over to more general DLC concerns.

This also reminds me of another issue I'm concerned about regarding DA2: Will they be removing the in-game salesmen or can we expect to see more of them?

Modifié par Mad Method, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:21 .

[Deadmac]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
Its a new wave of MMORPG gamer, they want to play the same game worlds and just GRINDGRINDGRINDGRIND

No. I have never played an online game before. I am just not a sucker for a scam to make more cash.

Unfortunately, I couldn't find the commercials (my examples) on YouTube. If you were a young kid in the eighties, like myself, you would know exactly what I am talking about. Download content and online gaming are very reflective of those old scams. What they use to do is entice young kids to call a number each day, so they can hear a message from their favorite afternoon cartoon character. Technically, the message was an extension to the episode you just watched; thus, you were motivated to call to hear the message of the day. Once you made a connection to the recording, you were charged for how long you stayed on the line. It was a BIG scam. Parents activist groups brought companies to court over this type of thing. Lol...

They used to be 1-800 and 1-900 numbers.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:09 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

I'm almost positive bioware is the same as much as i love their games.



They probably already have a month or so worth of dlc ready to put up when they see fit. Just another way to sell you items that should have been part of the game originally. But its whatever they are a business they are trying to make money you can't blame them for it.

[Onyx Jaguar]

It's a form of DRM to combat used game sales. It's all it is



Also pre-order incentives have been around since the 90s

[Soul Cool]

Mad Method wrote...
In my case I'm holding my breath to see whether or not I want to fish DA2 GOTY out of the bargain bin. DAO was a disappointment.

Really?

Critics and user seem to disagree with this. Could the game have been better? Yes. Was it a disappointment? Only in that it was not perfect.

[rsuffix]

They've lost my sale.



I'll buy the game when it's released in it's 'Ultimate' edition form. At least now I've missed out on a whole god-damn character because I didn't realise a pre-order bonus was up two-months before release.

[prazision]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

Neverwinter Nights was not  giving you trivial content for preordering.

The way they market games now. Only other example i can think of is Fable 3.

I preordered that game and they literally had dlc lined up the day after it was released which made you question why they did that. They already have the items ready they are just choosing not to give you the entire game.

Like popular armor dye. They were selling the black armor dye the day after but people had a ****fit and they took it down quickly and put it back up later. They had a spot missing in the shelf with all the dyes where the black dye should have been meaning they knew there was gonna be a demand for it but that did not stop them.

Kind of like how Sebastian and his quest(s) are going to be completed by the same time as the rest of DA2 but will cost an extra $7 for people who don't buy into pre-release hype?
So many of you keep saying that BioWare has never disappointed you, and I suppose that's fair. But to that I say: Square made 10 Final Fantasy games in a row - 10! - that I considered nearly perfect... and then proceeded to make the 2 worst games in the franchise.
Brand loyalty is unwise.

[TheMadCat]

Soul Cool wrote...

Mad Method wrote...
In my case I'm holding my breath to see whether or not I want to fish DA2 GOTY out of the bargain bin. DAO was a disappointment.

Really?

Critics and user seem to disagree with this. Could the game have been better? Yes. Was it a disappointment? Only in that it was not perfect.

So he has to change his opinion on something because of Metacritic?

[Deadmac]

Follow Me on Twitter wrote...

I'm almost positive bioware is the same as much as i love their games.

They probably already have a month or so worth of dlc ready to put up when they see fit. Just another way to sell you items that should have been part of the game originally. But its whatever they are a business they are trying to make money you can't blame them for it.

Its already happened. BioWare just announced the first dowload content for "Dragon Age II". Lol... Before the game was released. Hahaha...

http://dragonage.bio....com/da2/addon/

It was announced to entice people to preorder the game. Anyone who bought it through the preorder is a sucker. Since it will be released in an ultimate edition later (with the game itself), for a low $20 fee, anyone who spends an extra $7 is a moron. People just spent $60 for something you can get for $20 within a few years. Anyone who buys all addtional downloaded content separetly (outside of an Ultimate Edition) is also making the same mistake. Instead of spending $20 later down the road, you are spending $60 plus $7 for every additional minute (I mean every additional piece of downloaded content).

Talk about suckers.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:21 .