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[Soul Cool]

Deadmac wrote...
No. I have never played an online game before. I am just not a sucker for a scam to make more cash.

Or maybe people just like playing with more content than they can possibly ever complete? I like that the game never ends sometimes, the experience is worth more than the feeling of completion in the case of some MMOs.

[Soul Cool]

TheMadCat wrote...
So he has to change his opinion on something because of Metacritic?

I'd just like for people to realize that amazingly high standards are bound to bring dismal disappointments.

Any game can be nitpicked (Ask ZP or see Game Informer's Roasting) to death based on the flaws it has. This does not detract from the overall experience of the game. I enjoy it when people needle developers to make their products better, that's what they should do, but to suggest that the gaming experieince was not good because it wasnt on a godly level of perfection that no game ever reaches is disingenuous and dishonest in the extreme.

Modifié par Soul Cool, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:15 .

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Its a shame really. Times is changing, roll with it because its becoming a trend and they wont stop.



Of course i still do have faith in Bioware but i'm not stupid if this game bombs you can pretty much be sure i wont jump on the bandwagon next game. Same with Lionhead **** them.

[TheMadCat]

Soul Cool wrote...
I'd just like for people to realize that amazingly high standards are bound to bring dismal disappointments.

Any game can be nitpicked (Ask ZP or see Game Informer's Roasting) to death based on the flaws it has. This does not detract from the overall experience of the game. I enjoy it when people needle developers to make their products better, that's what they should do, but to suggest that the gaming experieince was not good because it wasnt on a godly level of perfection that no game ever reaches is disingenuous and dishonest in the extreme.

But that doesn't mean someone can't feel sincire disappoint towards something the majority may love, could be because of high expectations, could be because they were expecting something else, could be many things. That doesn't invalidate their opinion though.

[prazision]

"They're a company, you can't blame them for wanting to make money" is the worst argument.

For one thing, I would hope that BioWareEA are ARTISTS first and BUSINESSMEN second. That they would be content with making a game that will sell millions of copies without also resorting to greed to get that extra $7 out of anyone who wanted to wait until some reviews (not previews, which are always positive) appeared.

To quote Richard Linklater: "Withdrawal in disgust is not the same as apathy."

[Onyx Jaguar]

But what if I want everything



I can't have everything if I don't get everything

[rsuffix]

I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

[Deadmac]

Since my reply was at the bottom of the last page...
Its already happened. BioWare just announced the first dowload content for "Dragon Age II". Lol... Before the game was released. Hahaha...

http://dragonage.bio....com/da2/addon/

It was announced to entice people to preorder the game. Anyone who bought it through the preorder is a sucker. Since it will be released in an ultimate edition later (with the game itself and all other DLCs), for a low $20 fee, anyone who spends an extra $7 is a moron. People just spent $60 for something you can get for $20 within a few years. Anyone who buys all additional downloaded content separately (outside of an Ultimate Edition) is also making the same mistake. Instead of spending $20 later down the road, you are spending $60 plus $7 for every additional minute (I mean every additional piece of downloaded content).

Talk about suckers.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:25 .

[marshalleck]

prazision wrote...

"They're a company, you can't blame them for wanting to make money" is the worst argument.
For one thing, I would hope that BioWareEA are ARTISTS first and BUSINESSMEN second.

You're in for a disappointment then. The games industry is a business like any other. The only artists that participate for the sake of the craft are the indie developers, and that's definitely not EA Bioware. 

[Onyx Jaguar]

I know purchasing **** right away is always horrible because it is always at the highest cost



My god my computer was so ****ing expensive when I got it and it is worth 20 bucks now man am I a moron

[Follow Me on Twitter]

Only it's it's EA publishing the game and they are here to make bank.



You haven't seen the CEO of EA he has MOB tattooed on his arm "Money over ****es".

[marshalleck]

rsuffix wrote...

I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

The practice of getting DLC for free since we would have pre-ordered anyway even if there was none?

[Soul Cool]

TheMadCat wrote...
But that doesn't mean someone can't feel sincire disappoint towards something the majority may love, could be because of high expectations, could be because they were expecting something else, could be many things. That doesn't invalidate their opinion though.

It alleviates it. The majority of gamers and critics gave DA:O generally favorable to praiseworthy reviews. If you enjoy traditional RPGs, know that BioWare has a long history of very high quality games, and want to pick up a traditional RPG of the past decade, DA:O is something you are highly likely to enjoy.

Doesn't mean that there aren't a small minority of gamers out there that were looking for something different, though I was always under the impression that DA:O was a traditional RPG from a highly respected game developer and not...something else.

Modifié par Soul Cool, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:28 .

[Mad Method]

marshalleck wrote...

rsuffix wrote...

I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

The practice of getting DLC for free since we would have pre-ordered anyway even if there was none?

No, the practice of making it DLC and not part of the game.

[Deadmac]

marshalleck wrote...

rsuffix wrote...

I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

The practice of getting DLC for free since we would have pre-ordered anyway even if there was none?

After the preorder has finished its course, the price will drop to reflect the lack of a DLC promotional pieces. Or, they will just sell everyone on another free DLC element. Its a BIG scam.

Modifié par Deadmac, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:28 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

DLC is just expansions without the disc! Cut up and sold in smaller/less expensive chunks!

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

I know purchasing **** right away is always horrible because it is always at the highest cost

My god my computer was so ****ing expensive when I got it and it is worth 20 bucks now man am I a moron

I built my computer with the Professor from Gilligan's Island and MacGuyver, so it only cost me the foil wrappers off of a few sticks of gum and some coconuts plus some hampsters to run on a wheel that cools down the gpu and cpu fans. It's pretty cool, until the hampster gets tired and/or tries to ea the coconut mother board.


In an on-topic note, I think DLC is only as good as the effort put into it. Bioware has put out several DLCs since NWN 1. They have had some utter failures and some success. I hope they are learning from their successes.

[Deadmac]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
DLC is just expansions without the disc! Cut up and sold in smaller/less expensive chunks!

Hahaha.... If you looked at "Dragon Age: Origin's" DLC, three of them were concuslions to already running storylines.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Deadmac wrote...

Onyx Jaguar wrote...
DLC is just expansions without the disc! Cut up and sold in smaller/less expensive chunks!

Hahaha.... If you looked at "Dragon Age: Origin's" DLC, three of them were concuslions to already running storylines.

Yeah and Microsoft Sold Disc expansions to MechWarrior that just contained Mechs and Guns for you to run through the campaign and multiplayer again

[Meltemph]

 I hope they are learning from their successes.

I'd rather them learn from their failures personally.  

[Soul Cool]

Meltemph wrote...

 I hope they are learning from their successes.

I'd rather them learn from their failures personally.  

Reproduce their successes, learn from their failures?

[Merci357]

Deadmac wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

rsuffix wrote...

I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

The practice of getting DLC for free since we would have pre-ordered anyway even if there was none?

After the preorder has finished its course, the price will drop to reflect the lack of a DLC promotional pieces. Or, they will just sell everyone on another free DLC element. Its a BIG scam.

It's absolute unheard of that almost everything drops in price. Buy a new blue ray movie, buy it two years later. Buy a PS3 at release, buy it now. Buy a jeans when it's not on sale. Buy a cocktail when happy hour is over. And games are no different. Its a BIG scam.

Modifié par Merci357, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:33 .

[Morroian]

prazision wrote...
Kind of like how Sebastian and his quest(s) are going to be completed by the same time as the rest of DA2 but will cost an extra $7 for people who don't buy into pre-release hype?

So pre-order it and get him for FREE if you're that concerned by missing out or wait for the UE to come out.

prazision wrote...
"They're a company, you can't blame them for wanting to make money" is the worst argument.For one thing, I would hope that BioWareEA are ARTISTS first and BUSINESSMEN second.

You think they want to go under and lose their jobs. The games are big budget mass market games and need to sell. 

rsuffix wrote...
I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

In a perfect world I wouldn't want to see it but its an imperfect, capitalist driven world and in that context where used games are sold at major game stores beside new games I can understand it. As I said above you still have the option of waiting. DA2 will be the only game I pre-order or buy new this year, other games I just wait.

Modifié par Morroian, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:35 .

[rsuffix]

marshalleck wrote...

rsuffix wrote...

I just can't believe people actively defend this practice.

The practice of getting DLC for free since we would have pre-ordered anyway even if there was none?

The game is being released in two months. They are giving away this content free for people that buy the game two months in advanced. From then one, people will have to pay for it.

This content is ready to be received by people as soon as the game launches. People will have to pay more for what seems like quite a significant chunk of gameplay and character interaction. This is ready before the game is released.

Now, I can see people agreeing with you, that, yes, it's nice for them to offer it for free. 

They shouldn't be doing this **** though. If they can offer it for free to people that pre-order ahead of time, they can make it free to everyone. The game isn't even out yet. This isn't on-going active development of a game already released that could be ditched, this is one that isn't even released!

Yet, people defend the practice. People defend publishers having content ready to be sold the moment a game is released. I don't understand why. It can obviously be included with the game, but that's not happening. And people are happy. And people are fighting for that to happen. It blows my mind.

Edit:

In response to Morrain - I can understand the DLC being used as Shale was, in a way that encourages people to buy the game new. Yet, this isn't being used in that way. This is being used to encourage people to buy the game two months before release. It's not part of the completed product that most people will buy. That's how it's different from the other 'Project $10' stuff, to me.

Modifié par rsuffix, 13 janvier 2011 - 02:36 .