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[Onyx Jaguar]

They are incentives to ensure early purchase in order to combat the competition and deal with manufacturing costs

[Sharuko]

_000Darkstar wrote...

Humans are notoriously impatient beings. They say they're going to wait, but most will break eventually.

True but this year (2011) there are so many different good choices in terms of gaming that waiting might not be an issue.

[Sharuko]

prazision wrote...

This is mind-boggling. I don't understand how anyone can defend the decision to only have Sebastian be free for people who commit to a game 2 months before a single review comes out.
If I buy the game on release day, or a week after release, because the reviews are positive, BioWareEA are still getting my full $60. But because I chose to be wise and not buy into their hype that I definitely will enjoy the game, I miss an entire companion and questline.
The music industry is a business too. But I've never bought an album and then been charged money later for bonus tracks.

I agree it is absurd, it is a classic recent EA tactic.

[Merci357]

Sharuko wrote...

_000Darkstar wrote...

Humans are notoriously impatient beings. They say they're going to wait, but most will break eventually.

True but this year (2011) there are so many different good choices in terms of gaming that waiting might not be an issue.

Yep, 2011 looks like a fantastic gaming year, so far. But you can't wait for all games, you've to pick at least one or two to keep you occupied.

[Legbiter]

Bioware's made an absolute mint on their DLC's. Why do you think they keep making them? They're like a licence to print money. Fans like me snatch them up as fast as they come.

[Trogloditius]

marshalleck wrote...

Trogloditius wrote...

 With so many positive replies, you'd think people actually like buying DLC right after spending $60 on the game!  If you have the spare cash and don't mind, good for ya.

I have to register my discontent with this in the vain hope things might change in the future.  EA's strategy of splitting up the game from day one is just terrible for the game, the players and their image.  Like other posters, they lost my sale a long time ago and if I buy the game, it's going to be one year later when they repackage it.  And it's cheaper.

Skyrim, on the other hand, I will be buying new because Bethesda have a good record of spending time on games and not trying to grab every penny from my wallet (Horse armour forgiven).

If you guys don't become more discerning consumers, EA will just continue with this policy.

Speaking of discerning consumers--I got all this content free because I took advantage of the offer to have my pre-order upgraded to signature edition for no extra cost. Don't whine or try to imply that I an undiscerning consumer because you missed out. 

Sorry, I meant no offense to those who preordered the game.  But what you've done is exactly what EA want the customer to do - they split it up then offer it whole IF you preorder before reviews.  If you trust Bioware and EA, this is the most logical thing to do and there is no problem.  But, for a variety of reasons, many don't trust them and we'd rather wait.  EA is quite intentionally trying to bypass the review process, kill the second hand market and encourage early adoption all in one stroke with this.  It makes sense to marketing managers, but not to the wary consumer.  Gamers like me wish they'd just stop all the tricks and concentrate on making a better game.

[Dave of Canada]

GAME HAS PREORDER INCENTIVES
PREORDER GAME
WAIT FOR REVIEWS
DO I LIKE?
YES > BUY GAME
NO > CANCEL PREORDER

It's not hard. Don't cry if you didn't put an ounce of effort into it.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:12 .

[Sharuko]

Merci357 wrote...

Sharuko wrote...

_000Darkstar wrote...

Humans are notoriously impatient beings. They say they're going to wait, but most will break eventually.

True but this year (2011) there are so many different good choices in terms of gaming that waiting might not be an issue.

Yep, 2011 looks like a fantastic gaming year, so far. But you can't wait for all games, you've to pick at least one or two to keep you occupied.

I personally am playing Rift in March and will get Witcher 2 in May.  I would have purchased the SE for DA2 but that was not on Steam so I wait for the Ulltimate Edition, but that is a completely different subject. 

[marshalleck]

Trogloditius wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Trogloditius wrote...

 With so many positive replies, you'd think people actually like buying DLC right after spending $60 on the game!  If you have the spare cash and don't mind, good for ya.

I have to register my discontent with this in the vain hope things might change in the future.  EA's strategy of splitting up the game from day one is just terrible for the game, the players and their image.  Like other posters, they lost my sale a long time ago and if I buy the game, it's going to be one year later when they repackage it.  And it's cheaper.

Skyrim, on the other hand, I will be buying new because Bethesda have a good record of spending time on games and not trying to grab every penny from my wallet (Horse armour forgiven).

If you guys don't become more discerning consumers, EA will just continue with this policy.

Speaking of discerning consumers--I got all this content free because I took advantage of the offer to have my pre-order upgraded to signature edition for no extra cost. Don't whine or try to imply that I an undiscerning consumer because you missed out. 

Sorry, I meant no offense to those who preordered the game.  But what you've done is exactly what EA want the customer to do - they split it up then offer it whole IF you preorder before reviews.  If you trust Bioware and EA, this is the most logical thing to do and there is no problem.  But, for a variety of reasons, many don't trust them and we'd rather wait.  EA is quite intentionally trying to bypass the review process, kill the second hand market and encourage early adoption all in one stroke with this.  It makes sense to marketing managers, but not to the wary consumer.  Gamers like me wish they'd just stop all the tricks and concentrate on making a better game.

It's not really a trick if you can see so clearly through it, is it? 

If you're unsure of the game then the best thing you can do is wait for reviews, of course. Just understand that Prince Vael is intended for the signature edition first, and is available as DLC for everyone else who doesn't want the soundtrack etc. but still want some in-game quests and whatnot. Nobody is trying to cheat you. 

Would you be happier if they just refused to offer Prince Vael to anyone who does not purchase the SE?

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:18 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

One of hte preorder incentives for Dead Space 2 you can still get for free even if you cancel your preorder



This post will probably self detonate before it reaches your face

[prazision]

edit: double post

Modifié par prazision, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:22 .

[prazision]

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Look at it this way:

- You could pay full price on day 1, plus $7 for Sebastien;

- You could wait a whole week or so, buy it used for $10 less, and use the $10 you saved to buy Sebastien.

When you look at it this way, it's actually a completely moronic business decision to not include Sebastien with all new copies (like with Shale) because a number of people will be giving EA $7 instead of their share of the full $60.

Shale was an incentive to combat used copies. Sebastien was an incentive to combat "waiting for reviews".

God of War 3 was hyped as "the best action game ever" pre-release. It turned out being the worst in the franchise.

"Don't believe the hype."

[Darkchipper07]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

Besides we all knwo that we are funding various wars in Africa just by buying the physical copies of these games!

Actually it's the digital copies that fund the war cause you know RARE METALS are used to make computers servers and consoles so they need to have servers to distribute the DLC. PLASTIC does not fun wars in Africa. Just so you know.

[Dave of Canada]

prazision wrote...

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Actually, with newly released games you'll save 3$.

Have fun spending an extra 4$.

[Bryy_Miller]

prazision wrote...

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Well.... you're still buying the game. Profit will still go to them. So.... good for you?

[Morroian]

prazision wrote...

When you look at it this way, it's actually a completely moronic business decision to not include Sebastien with all new copies (like with Shale) because a number of people will be giving EA $7 instead of their share of the full $60.
Shale was an incentive to combat used copies. Sebastien was an incentive to combat "waiting for reviews".

How can it combat reviews when one can quite simply cancel their pre-order?

[Darkchipper07]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

prazision wrote...

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Well.... you're still buying the game. Profit will still go to them. So.... good for you?

Are you new? If you buy it used they don't get the money the seller of said product will get the money.

[slimgrin]

I think the real issue is: which publishers offer the better dlc? This one doesn't exactly impress, considering what you got simply for buying DA or ME2 new. It was just a better deal. And since so many companies do this now, EA can expect to go up against lots of better deals.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:36 .

[Morroian]

[quote]Darkchipper07 wrote...

Well.... you're still buying the game. Profit will still go to them. So.... good for you?

[/quote]

Are you new? If you buy it used they don't get the money the seller of said product will get the money.

[/quote]
He's going to buy the Sebastian DLC thus they still get dollars from him. Hence one of the reasons why they do this.

[marshalleck]

I'd rather support Bioware than Gamestop. Seriously, all this complaining about evil business practices and then go buy a pre-owned copy of the game (which Gamestop no doubt paid less than $10 for) at what will surely be full retail price? As far as screwing gamers and being nothing more than scamming parasites, it's Gamestop that deserves your ire. Not content creators.

Modifié par marshalleck, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:43 .

[prazision]

Dave of Canada wrote...

prazision wrote...

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Actually, with newly released games you'll save 3$.

Have fun spending an extra 4$.

Even at Gamestop, used games are always $5 cheaper minimum. If you have their Rewards card, it's 10% cheaper, and you can print out coupons for $5 off used games. And there are online retailers that sell used copies for less than that.
And as I said, you cannot truly "cancel" a pre-order. You can not get a cash refund, just store credit.

[Darkchipper07]

Morroian wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

Well.... you're still buying the game. Profit will still go to them. So.... good for you?

Are you new? If you buy it used they don't get the money the seller of said product will get the money.

He's going to buy the Sebastian DLC thus they still get dollars from him. Hence one of the reasons why they do this.

I'm not new $60 > $7 tell me which one you want for a Triple A title game please I'm interested.

Modifié par Darkchipper07, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:44 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

prazision wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

prazision wrote...

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Actually, with newly released games you'll save 3$.

Have fun spending an extra 4$.

Even at Gamestop, used games are always $5 cheaper minimum. If you have their Rewards card, it's 10% cheaper, and you can print out coupons for $5 off used games. And there are online retailers that sell used copies for less than that.
And as I said, you cannot truly "cancel" a pre-order. You can not get a cash refund, just store credit.

You can cancel on Amazon
 as they won't charge you until they ship the item

Modifié par Onyx Jaguar, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:44 .

[Merci357]

prazision wrote...

And as I said, you cannot truly "cancel" a pre-order. You can not get a cash refund, just store credit.

Might be true with some retailers, however, with other you don't even have to put down any deposit at all, Amazon comes to mind.

Edit:

Modifié par Merci357, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:44 .

[Dave of Canada]

prazision wrote...

Even at Gamestop, used games are always $5 cheaper minimum.

RDR was 57.99 when it was new for 59.99.

And as I said, you cannot truly "cancel" a pre-order. You can not get a cash refund, just store credit.

I get my money back just fine. I preordered at three spots by accident (Best Buy, Futureshop and Gamestop).