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[Onyx Jaguar]

Which is a specific place where you can go and rip off EA if you hate them so badly in an example I gave previously



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[Darkchipper07]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

prazision wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

prazision wrote...

I for one will go on record as saying I am going to wait a week (at most) for the inevitable used copies to show up, and that yes, BioWareEA will be getting no money from my purchase of the core game.

Actually, with newly released games you'll save 3$.

Have fun spending an extra 4$.

Even at Gamestop, used games are always $5 cheaper minimum. If you have their Rewards card, it's 10% cheaper, and you can print out coupons for $5 off used games. And there are online retailers that sell used copies for less than that.
And as I said, you cannot truly "cancel" a pre-order. You can not get a cash refund, just store credit.

You can cancel on Amazon
 as they won't charge you until they ship the item

Pretty sure you can't cancel on impulse or d2d or the EA store but you know 1/5 stores you can cancel it's in your favor right

[Morroian]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

I'm not new $60 > $7 tell me which one you want for a Triple A title game please I'm interested.

Well a percentage goes to the retailer so its not exactly $60. And I didn't say it was equivalent just that they still get some of his money.

[Morroian]

marshalleck wrote...

I'd rather support Bioware than Gamestop. Seriously, all this complaining about evil business practices and then go buy a pre-owned copy of the game (which Gamestop no doubt paid less than $10 for) at what will surely be full retail price? As far as screwing gamers and being nothing more than scamming parasites, it's Gamestop that deserves your ire. Not content creators.

Exactly buy another new game if you're that annoyed. 

[prazision]

marshalleck wrote...

I'd rather support Bioware than Gamestop. Seriously, all this complaining about evil business practices and then go buy a pre-owned copy of the game (which Gamestop no doubt paid less than $10 for) at what will surely be full retail price? As far as screwing gamers and being nothing more than scamming parasites, it's Gamestop that deserves your ire. Not content creators.

I agree in theory, but giving Gamestop money for a bad game does not encourage developers to make more bad games. If DA2 ends up being as much of a step backwards from Origins as it sounds like (as well as being less than half as lengthy) then I absolutely do not want to encourage them by paying for a new copy.

[Onyx Jaguar]

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[prazision]

Morroian wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'd rather support Bioware than Gamestop. Seriously, all this complaining about evil business practices and then go buy a pre-owned copy of the game (which Gamestop no doubt paid less than $10 for) at what will surely be full retail price? As far as screwing gamers and being nothing more than scamming parasites, it's Gamestop that deserves your ire. Not content creators.

Exactly buy another new game if you're that annoyed. 

I am proud to say I paid full price for New Vegas. That level of immersion and reactivity and "old school" RPG feeling is what I would like to see more of.

[Darkchipper07]

Morroian wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

I'm not new $60 > $7 tell me which one you want for a Triple A title game please I'm interested.

Well a percentage goes to the retailer so its not exactly $60. And I didn't say it was equivalent just that they still get some of his money.

Ok let me explain it to you if you sell a used game the company who makes the game doesn't get a cent. That's why companies are coming out with things like "Buy it new and you'll get free DLC" or THQ online pass.

Also Canada Dave i got RDR for 40 dollars on launch. Thank you amazon 20 gift card

[Bryy_Miller]

Morroian wrote...

He's going to buy the Sebastian DLC thus they still get dollars from him. Hence one of the reasons why they do this.

Exactly. Plus, he's buying the game. That's a great way to show your convictions. Buy the product you loathe - only in a different way! That's does as much good as the people who say they won't pre-order, but then do - but for cheaper!

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 13 janvier 2011 - 03:55 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

Amazon is the place where everyone should shop



Practicalloy got Left 4 Dead for free for buying Fallout 3, all at luanch

[marshalleck]

prazision wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

I'd rather support Bioware than Gamestop. Seriously, all this complaining about evil business practices and then go buy a pre-owned copy of the game (which Gamestop no doubt paid less than $10 for) at what will surely be full retail price? As far as screwing gamers and being nothing more than scamming parasites, it's Gamestop that deserves your ire. Not content creators.

I agree in theory, but giving Gamestop money for a bad game does not encourage developers to make more bad games. If DA2 ends up being as much of a step backwards from Origins as it sounds like (as well as being less than half as lengthy) then I absolutely do not want to encourage them by paying for a new copy.

Then wait for reviews. Nobody is forcing you to buy. 

[Bryy_Miller]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

I'm not new $60 > $7 tell me which one you want for a Triple A title game please I'm interested.

Well a percentage goes to the retailer so its not exactly $60. And I didn't say it was equivalent just that they still get some of his money.

Ok let me explain it to you

You're really, really not the smartest guy in the room.

[Soul Cool]

Darkchipper07 wrote...
Also Canada Dave i got RDR for 40 dollars on launch. Thank you amazon 20 gift card

So, you paid $40 and someone else paid $20 and gave you that $20 in the form of an Amazon Gift Card, which you then used to buy a $60 game with.

You did not get that game for $40. That's not how it works.

[Beerfish]

I pay full price pretty well all the time. For me it has nothing to do with getting a deal or not. I can afford to spend what I want on one of my hobbys so I buy new all the time. I have preordered a few times in the past but not normally. This incentive got me to preorder this game so what ever nefarious game they are playing they got me.

[Onyx Jaguar]

Amazon will often give out gift cards as pre-order incentives



When I pre-ordered Fallout 3 CE, I got a 20 dollars off the next game. Left 4 Dead had 20 dollars off of the preorder at one point, slap on that extra 20 dollars off. Left 4 dead at launch for 20 bucks.

[Mulsanne Blue]

I am at a loss as to what the big deal is. Why are people complaining about getting extra DLC? If you like DA enough, you will either pre-order it or buy it when it comes out. If you don't like it enough to get it when it comes out, wait a year or so and buy the "ultimate/game of the year" version. I don't get what all the drama is over.



And if you can't afford to buy it new, wait a little while and buy it used and then shell out some more cash for the DLC you didn't get.



But for the love of all that is holy please stop this nonsense.

[Bryy_Miller]

Agent599xx wrote...

I am at a loss as to what the big deal is. Why are people complaining about getting extra DLC?

At the risk of starting a bigger flame war than is already brushing up, some see the buying of this content as a horrible practice that will set the standard. And it does, but as far as it being a horrible practice: people like what they like. Other people feel that they should berate people for liking what they like. Some actually think they can stop the process if they just get one person to not buy DLC.

[Morroian]

prazision wrote...

I agree in theory, but giving Gamestop money for a bad game does not encourage developers to make more bad games. If DA2 ends up being as much of a step backwards from Origins as it sounds like (as well as being less than half as lengthy) then I absolutely do not want to encourage them by paying for a new copy.

Thats a different point, you were protesting about the DLC policy. If you think its going to be a bad game why would you buy it period?

[Naitaka]

While I wholely agreed with Bioware's decesion to include DLC in every new copy of DA:O as an incentive for people to buy the game new, I'm dubious about this whole "you don't get everything unless you pre-order 3 month beforehand" scheme to make people pre-order the game. Imho, there's no excuse for them to make these content dlc when they were already made before release, it just smells like typical EA marketing out to grab more money.

[BTCentral]

*Puts on best Sten impression* No.

In the short term, yes, there will likely be a few lost sales from disgruntled people.
In the long run, no, if people like the game then they are fairly likely to buy the DLC too.

Naitaka wrote...

I'm dubious about this whole "you don't get everything unless you pre-order 3 month beforehand" scheme to make people pre-order the game. Imho, there's no excuse for them to make these content dlc when they were already made before release, it just smells like typical EA marketing out to grab more money.

You did not need to order 3 months beforehand. You could have quite happily ordered on the 10th if you so desired. And actually, I do not see the problem with this - especially considering there are many retailers available that do not charge for pre-orders and allow you to cancel at any time.

DLC does tend to be a form of marketing, and obviously a way to make money.
It's not something that's going to be changing any time soon either, they're onto a winner.

Modifié par BTCentral, 13 janvier 2011 - 04:15 .

[prazision]

Morroian wrote...

prazision wrote...

I agree in theory, but giving Gamestop money for a bad game does not encourage developers to make more bad games. If DA2 ends up being as much of a step backwards from Origins as it sounds like (as well as being less than half as lengthy) then I absolutely do not want to encourage them by paying for a new copy.

Thats a different point, you were protesting about the DLC policy. If you think its going to be a bad game why would you buy it period?

I won't buy it if people I trust tell me it's bad. At the moment, I have nowhere near enough information to assume the game will be great.
My problem with the Sebastien DLC is simple: It's day 1 DLC. It should be included with all new copies (like Shale was) to encourage people to buy it new instead of used.
As it stands, I have no reason to buy a new copy since I would still have to pay for Sebastien.
It's a truly baffling decision given that EA has said over and over that they are very concerned about the used game market, yet this DLC decision actually ENCOURAGES buying the game used!
It would even make sense if Sebastien were a pre-order bonus up until launch, but ending the bonus 2 months early when we still know almost nothing about the game? I'm perplexed.

[Mulsanne Blue]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Agent599xx wrote...

I am at a loss as to what the big deal is. Why are people complaining about getting extra DLC?

At the risk of starting a bigger flame war than is already brushing up, some see the buying of this content as a horrible practice that will set the standard. And it does, but as far as it being a horrible practice: people like what they like. Other people feel that they should berate people for liking what they like. Some actually think they can stop the process if they just get one person to not buy DLC.

I apologize if you think I am trying to start anything, I am just having a hard time understanding. Aren't people paying anyway? Whether they buy new and get the free content or buy used and pay for the DLC?

Maybe I am missing the point that is trying to be made. I think what bothers me the most is the berating and complaining. It's true, we do like what we like and that should be respected.

Can't we just all get along??

[Darkchipper07]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Morroian wrote...

He's going to buy the Sebastian DLC thus they still get dollars from him. Hence one of the reasons why they do this.

Exactly. Plus, he's buying the game. That's a great way to show your convictions. Buy the product you loathe - only in a different way! That's does as much good as the people who say they won't pre-order, but then do - but for cheaper!

Not nice being mean when you don't understand what buying something used is.

•  I buy DA2 i finish playing it
• I sell it to someone(they buy it used)
• they pay me and NO ONE ELSE
• they buy $7 dlc

How many purchases does EA get out of this.(here i'll help one $60 purchase and $7 dlc instead of TWO $60 purchases)

And this is why EA doesn't like used game sales they try to put in exclusive dlc so you buy it new. I tried if you don't understand i'm at a loss.

Also Onyx Jaguar I have respect for you cause you like left 4 dead or at least bought it. :3

[Merci357]

prazision wrote...

I won't buy it if people I trust tell me it's bad. At the moment, I have nowhere near enough information to assume the game will be great.
My problem with the Sebastien DLC is simple: It's day 1 DLC. It should be included with all new copies (like Shale was) to encourage people to buy it new instead of used.
As it stands, I have no reason to buy a new copy since I would still have to pay for Sebastien.
It's a truly baffling decision given that EA has said over and over that they are very concerned about the used game market, yet this DLC decision actually ENCOURAGES buying the game used!
It would even make sense if Sebastien were a pre-order bonus up until launch, but ending the bonus 2 months early when we still know almost nothing about the game? I'm perplexed.

Uhm, Black Emporium = Shale > the DLC you'll get for free if you buy the game new.
And Sebastian = Warden's Keep > the paid day 1 DLC unless you got the CE/SE.
How is this any different compared to Origins?

[Bryy_Miller]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

[*][/list]How many purchases does EA get out of this.(here i'll help one $60 purchase and $7 dlc instead of TWO $60 purchases)

[*]Still get $7. You assume that it is the amount that matters. It doesn't.