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[Bryy_Miller]

The foundation of this argument is that one consumer felt that the game was not good enough to buy new. He doesn't want to support the makers or distributor. Okay. Ignoring the previous argument that had spawned out of the main argument, EA/BioWare are never going to make a game that everyone likes, or even buys. They will alienate customers, and even longtime fans. Why? Because not every product is what everyone wants. So to say that they COULD HAVE made a sale of $60 is like saying I COULD HAVE gone to grad school.

[AlanC9]

TheMadCat wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

i'm just saying that those things aren't called baiting. Except maybe if you work in retail; I wouldn't know.

Sure they are, it's not thrown around a whole lot because as I said it sounds far more sinister then sale or free goodies but the principle is exactly that, creating an incentive for people to buy a product or visit a store they may not normally purchase or visit now or ever in order to increase revenue. BioWare (And every other developer out there) packaged in features that normally wouldn't be there and advertised those features in order to drive up the number of pre-orders which in turn will allow them to ship out a larger inital volume and generate more revenue. You may not like the term baiting, a lot of people don't, but it is.  

Right. The word has sinister connotations; you and I should be using a better word since neither of us think that there's anything sinister going on here.

[Bryy_Miller]

Darkchipper07 wrote...
stop calling people dumb it's not nice.

Nobody ever called anyone dumb. Are you talking about my "smartest man in the room" comment? That was me saying that you're not telling anyone anything they didn't already know. I never called you dumb.

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...
Right. The word has sinister connotations; you and I should be using a better word since neither of us think that there's anything sinister going on here.

Lot's of words have sinister connotations, doesn't necessarily the words always represent something sinister. Murder is a word that has sinister connotations, Mussolini and his girlfriend were murdered in cold blood but there aren't many people who view that particular act as bad or wrong. It all depends on the context and the situation. You can use whatever word you'd like, I was just pointing out that baiting is indeed a correct word to use here as well as a few others.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:08 .

[prazision]

It's pretty simple.

The way the Sebastien DLC is being handled has caused me to have no desire to purchase the game new.

I assure you that EA cares that I don't buy a new copy. They care very much. Even if I do buy the DLC.

[Darkchipper07]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...
stop calling people dumb it's not nice.

Nobody ever called anyone dumb. Are you talking about my "smartest man in the room" comment? That was me saying that you're not telling anyone anything they didn't already know. I never called you dumb.

So your comment on "Well.... you're still buying the game. Profit will still go to them. So.... good for you?" was what exactly? Did you misspell cause from this statement you DON'T understand what used sales mean. So are you still alright with the statement were I gave you useless information cause I thought you were not sure what used sale means. Also I love copy paste.

[Dave of Canada]

Also, I was foolishly only comparing the Sebastian DLC.

If you buy used, you'd be losing out on Sebastian (because you didn't preorder Signature Edition) and the Black Emporium. Let's assume Black Emporium is 15$ and you're down quite a bit on your "savings", no? So you'd be willing to lose money out of spite, support DLC and  project ten dollar, and get a used copy of the game?

Maybe I'm a little crazy but that sounds foolish.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:12 .

[AlanC9]

Well, the guys who execute Mussolini didn't call it murder. We should probably stop derailing, though, since we agree on the substance.

Modifié par AlanC9, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:15 .

[AlanC9]

prazision wrote...

It's pretty simple.
The way the Sebastien DLC is being handled has caused me to have no desire to purchase the game new.
I assure you that EA cares that I don't buy a new copy. They care very much. Even if I do buy the DLC.

But if the Sebastian DLC had come with every new copy you would have bought a new copy?

Why? You'd still have the option to get a used copy and then buy Sebastian for $7.

[Darkchipper07]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Also, I was foolishly only comparing the Sebastian DLC.

If you buy used, you'd be losing out on Sebastian (because you didn't preorder Signature Edition) and the Black Emporium. Let's assume Black Emporium is 15$ and you're down quite a bit on your "savings", no? So you'd be willing to lose money out of spite, support DLC and  project ten dollar, and get a used copy of the game?

Maybe I'm a little crazy but that sounds foolish.

I thought everyone knew that character dlc(quest and companion that joins you on an adventure) was better than items dlc.

Modifié par Darkchipper07, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:16 .

[Morroian]

prazision wrote...

It's pretty simple.
The way the Sebastien DLC is being handled has caused me to have no desire to purchase the game new.

Yet you'll support the DLC you supposedly hate. You do realise that the revenue from the sale of the DLC will be matched off against the expenditure budget of the DLC to assess how profitable it is. 

[Darkchipper07]

Key word HANDLED

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...

Well, the guys who execute Mussolini didn't call it murder. We should probably stop derailing, though, since we agree on the substance.

And BioWare doesn't call it baiting, see how that works.

But I agree, so I'll shut up now.

[AlanC9]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

Key word HANDLED

So how should it have been handled?

[Dave of Canada]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

I thought everyone knew that character dlc(quest and companion that joins you on an adventure) was better than items dlc.

... and how does it matter? He loses out on DLC by buying used and buying it seperately, saying it's cheaper. That's not true when you bring in the Black Emporium, if he's not willing to buy it that's his choice but he's not saving money in comparison to the few extra dollars a newer copy would give.

He'd be spending more money to have the same content as a new copy.

[Darkchipper07]

AlanC9 wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

Key word HANDLED

So how should it have been handled?

 I don't know ask him.

[Morroian]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Darkchipper07 wrote...

Key word HANDLED

So how should it have been handled?

 I don't know ask him.

If its such a matter of principle  he shouldn't buy the game at all.

[prazision]

AlanC9 wrote...

prazision wrote...

It's pretty simple.
The way the Sebastien DLC is being handled has caused me to have no desire to purchase the game new.
I assure you that EA cares that I don't buy a new copy. They care very much. Even if I do buy the DLC.

But if the Sebastian DLC had come with every new copy you would have bought a new copy?

Why? You'd still have the option to get a used copy and then buy Sebastian for $7.

Because buying a new copy is called "voting with my wallet".
My issue is not that Sebastien is DLC. My issue is that he is Day One DLC.
I don't care about preorder/Day One DLC if it's just items that make the game easier (Warden's Keep) but an entire companion, in a game that so far has less announced companions than Origins, is a whole different kettle of fish.

[AlanC9]

Darkchipper07 wrote...
 I don't know ask him.

I've tried that. What I get back doesn't make sense.

[AlanC9]

Case in point

prazision wrote...

Because buying a new copy is called "voting with my wallet".
My issue is not that Sebastien is DLC. My issue is that he is Day One DLC.
I don't care about preorder/Day One DLC if it's just items that make the game easier (Warden's Keep) but an entire companion, in a game that so far has less announced companions than Origins, is a whole different kettle of fish.

You still haven't said why this is a problem. What is wrong with Day One DLC?

[TheMadCat]

AlanC9 wrote...

You still haven't said why this is a problem. What is wrong with Day One DLC?

Aside from the annoying fact they want me to spend another $5-$10 on top of the $50-$60 I already spent on the same product on the same day, nothing I guess.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:29 .

[FreezaSama]

prazision wrote...

Because buying a new copy is called "voting with my wallet".
My issue is not that Sebastien is DLC. My issue is that he is Day One DLC.
I don't care about preorder/Day One DLC if it's just items that make the game easier (Warden's Keep) but an entire companion, in a game that so far has less announced companions than Origins, is a whole different kettle of fish.

Still, it's not like you're paying extra for it. So you have to get online for five minutes to download a few things, not the end of the world.

[Darkchipper07]

The fact that you can argue that they take something away from the game to make it DLC. As some else said before "ahhh i remembered a time when you bought a game and you got the full version."

[AlanC9]

TheMadCat wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

You still haven't said why this is a problem. What is wrong with Day One DLC?

Aside from the annoying fact they want me to spend another $5-$10 on top of the $50-$60 I already spent on the same product on the same day, nothing I guess.

But it's a different product with Sebastian in it, right?

[Morroian]

Darkchipper07 wrote...

The fact that you can argue that they take something away from the game to make it DLC.

You can't argue that because they haven't.