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[toxiconflict]

gloops wrote...

and by using the collector base, you have chosen to have your society go along the paths that the reapers desire like with the mass relays. It all plays into the reapers hands.

Since you're so opposed to using Reaper tech riddle me this. How did taking on the Collectors work out not using the Thanix Cannon, EDI or the IFF?

I'm not fully educated on it, but I don't think any of that is reaper tech. Could be wrong though.

[GodWood]

Toxinconflict wrote...
Do people get genuinely mad about this?

Renegades don't get mad.
They get stabby.

Modifié par GodWood, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:16 .

[thatguy212]

toxiconflict wrote...

gloops wrote...

and by using the collector base, you have chosen to have your society go along the paths that the reapers desire like with the mass relays. It all plays into the reapers hands.

Since you're so opposed to using Reaper tech riddle me this. How did taking on the Collectors work out not using the Thanix Cannon, EDI or the IFF?

I'm not fully educated on it, but I don't think any of that is reaper tech. Could be wrong though.

Okay i can understand not  knowing that EDI and the Thanix Cannon are reaper tech but you get the IFF directly from a reaper and its constantly called the "Reaper IFF"

[toxiconflict]

thatguy212 wrote...

toxiconflict wrote...

gloops wrote...

and by using the collector base, you have chosen to have your society go along the paths that the reapers desire like with the mass relays. It all plays into the reapers hands.

Since you're so opposed to using Reaper tech riddle me this. How did taking on the Collectors work out not using the Thanix Cannon, EDI or the IFF?

I'm not fully educated on it, but I don't think any of that is reaper tech. Could be wrong though.

Okay i can understand not  knowing that EDI and the Thanix Cannon are reaper tech but you get the IFF directly from a reaper and its constantly called the "Reaper IFF"

I wouldnt really consider the reaper IFF as incorporating reaper technology into our own though. That's more like stealing someone elses key to open their door.

[Praetor Knight]

Here's the wiki Codex entry for the cannon, EDI (the reaper tech part is a bit buried in the article), and an in-game picture the IFF can be found in the third link.

The wiki is pretty reliable for the ME universe.


Edit: removed unnecessary quotes.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:28 .

[TexasToast712]

I saved the Rachni Queen, saved the Council, let Wrex live, and Blew up the Collector base and Iam still a Renegade. I just destroyed your theory right there.

[GodWood]

toxiconflict wrote...
I wouldnt really consider the reaper IFF as incorporating reaper technology into our own though. That's more like stealing someone elses key to open their door.

But that means you have chosen to have your society go along the path the reapers desire mannn.
You should've made your own IFF and your own Omega 4 relay.

[Nightwriter]

toxiconflict wrote...

I didn't know there was a war going on between paragons and renegades like it's some kind of title to be proud of. I just thought I'd share my opinion on what is gonna happen in the third game based on choices from the first and second. I haven't really got any input on it because it's easier to just yell "troll thread". Do people get genuinely mad about this?

I don't think this is a troll thread. And you've gotten a few good opinions.

Here's mine: the scenario you describe would really be punishing renegade players royally, which would be kind of lame considering the renegade path isn't supposed to be "wrong" - neither path is. We may consider some renegade decisions to be wrong morally, but not all of them are. To punish so many renegade decisions would be borderline unfair. The rachni and Collector base decisions at the very least are extremely interpretive.

[Siegdrifa]

Unusefull thread.



I just want to point that the story will not evole on it's own, it' written.



And if Bioware choose to introduce rachni in ME3 it won't matter in the end if you saved or killed it in a earlier game.

Beside... even if you killed the rachni queen to get ride off of a potentialy major threat, the writters have the final word.... who said it was the only egg left in the entire galaxy? ...

Bioware won't devloppe a whole mission with new kind of ennemy only for people who made a choice 4 years ago.

You can expect lot of "Wrex" style like we had in ME2, the only difference will be characters / dialogue change but not what you potentialy can do in the end.

[The Spamming Troll]

renegades always get the most money, best gear, best dialogue, whatever, while paragons just get a "thank you." i really hope renegades have a very difficult time having a "happy" ending.

[GodWood]

TexasToast712 wrote...
I saved the Rachni Queen, saved the Council, let Wrex live, and Blew up the Collector base and Iam still a Renegade. I just destroyed your theory right there.

That don't sound like the work of no renegade.

[GodWood]

The Spamming Troll wrote...
renegades always get the most money, best gear, best dialogue, whatever, while paragons just get a "thank you." i really hope renegades have a very difficult time having a "happy" ending.

Paragons and renegades get the same gear and I've never noticed any differences in the amount of a paragon a renegade has (tbh I don't even notice the game has money)
I personally think it's the paragons who should have a difficult time getting the happy ending because they've been picking the 'feel good' options without suffering any repercussions.
Paragon Shep needs to be taken down a notch.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

GodWood wrote...

toxiconflict wrote...
I wouldnt really consider the reaper IFF as incorporating reaper technology into our own though. That's more like stealing someone elses key to open their door.

But that means you have chosen to have your society go along the path the reapers desire mannn.
You should've made your own IFF and your own Omega 4 relay.

I lol'd

[Cammacdon]

At least this thread doesn't have people arguing about how this fictional game breaks real life scientific laws like conservation of energy.:\\



I don't see how either play style gets punished. In ME2 it was all the same. Your choices in the first game did not interfere in any large way with your mission in the second. The only difference was in the flavor if the moment if you will all forgive me using that term.



I have little doubt that it will be possible to get a crapsack ending just like in ME2 but you will have to actually try to get it. But in the grand scheme of things, whatever happens in the third game will essentially be the same, and only the "flavor of the moment" will be changed by paragon or renegade choices.

[CROAT_56]

i am a paragon but i disagree op what rens lack in man power they make up for it in technology organics should never have recieved.



Each side has its pros and cons.

[adam_grif]

Paragons are gonna get screwed in ME3.



You let the rachni queen escape and the rachni are going to help the reapers after the queen gets indoctrinated, you have an alien council and get no help from the council races, the krogans will probably not help you, and by destroying the collector base, you deny yourself advanced technology, playing right into the reapers hands.

[Praetor Knight]

Cammacdon wrote...

At least this thread doesn't have people arguing about how this fictional game breaks real life scientific laws like conservation of energy.:\\\\

This topic could be saved for another thread.

[PauseforEffect]

OP, I salute you for having the appropriate name for the arguments that follow such titles.

[Sawp]

Maybe players are gonna get screwed for mass effect 3

OMFG i gave birth to a fat troll.

[adam_grif]

At least this thread doesn't have people arguing about how this fictional game breaks real life scientific laws like conservation of energy.:\\\\

That's because I already had that thread on the previous incarnation of the Bioware forums (before Social).



The conclusion was that ME field technology being able to raise or lower mass either violates conservation of momentum or conservation of energy, and can never satisfy both conservation laws. Also, whether it violates CoE or not, the universe should not look the way it is.

[RiouHotaru]

Honestly, both sides (Paragon and Renegade) will be able to finish the game and achieve a satisfying conclusion. Of course, both sides will be upset that the other side was able to achieve said satisfying conclusion because each side feels the others took illogical or silly actions/decisions and that the ending shouldn't have been possible.



This is always how the arguments about P&R turn out. I think both sides just need to accept that their respective paths are possible and reasonable when approached with a particular context and mindset. Neither path is more or less valid than the other.

[James2912]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Honestly, both sides (Paragon and Renegade) will be able to finish the game and achieve a satisfying conclusion. Of course, both sides will be upset that the other side was able to achieve said satisfying conclusion because each side feels the others took illogical or silly actions/decisions and that the ending shouldn't have been possible.

This is always how the arguments about P&R turn out. I think both sides just need to accept that their respective paths are possible and reasonable when approached with a particular context and mindset. Neither path is more or less valid than the other.

I second that

[Encarmine]

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.



I mean, we had



1)the dude who condemd violence against women for the renegade hit the reporter line.

2)some other dudes grandad crying about his ww2 experiances and renegades getting killed in ww2..

3)then of course the entire 'how bad are we to keep a base for the super bad evil TIM'



Could you imagine if Bioware listened to you lot for 5 minutes? we would have a game where we all ride around on unicorns, with pink uniforms, garrus blowing bubbles and eating a picnic with Kaiden in a field full of roseys. All our choices ingame would be Bright blue, Dark Blue and just Blue, or the epic 'make shepard cry' action button, left click to hug squad mate one, right click to hug squad mate 2, click both to call commander hackett so he can tell you everything will be OK.



Disclaimer: I know its not all you paragon choice players, but you have to admit, you are oversubscribed by kids with a serious amount of pink in their bedrooms.

[James2912]

Encarmine wrote...

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.

I mean, we had

1)the dude who condemd violence against women for the renegade hit the reporter line.
2)some other dudes grandad crying about his ww2 experiances and renegades getting killed in ww2..
3)then of course the entire 'how bad are we to keep a base for the super bad evil TIM'

Could you imagine if Bioware listened to you lot for 5 minutes? we would have a game where we all ride around on unicorns, with pink uniforms, garrus blowing bubbles and eating a picnic with Kaiden in a field full of roseys. All our choices ingame would be Bright blue, Dark Blue and just Blue, or the epic 'make shepard cry' action button, left click to hug squad mate one, right click to hug squad mate 2, click both to call commander hackett so he can tell you everything will be OK.

Disclaimer: I know its not all you paragon choice players, but you have to admit, you are oversubscribed by kids with a serious amount of pink in their bedrooms.

I love this!