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[Nightwriter]

Encarmine wrote...

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.

Ha! I laugh.

Both sides can be very silly if you ask me - to say one is worse is just letting your perception be overshadowed by the fact that you're currently in a pro-paragon anti-renegade thread. There are so many renegades who consider their day wasted if they do not condescend some paragon decision or other, and the forums are full of sentiments like "if you destroy the base the Reapers should win in ME3, that'll teach the paragons". Renegades also "whine" - if that's what you want to call it - about being treated unfairly by BioWare. Immaturity comes in red as well as blue, it seems.

[ADLegend21]

Nightwriter wrote...
Ha! I laugh.

Both sides can be very silly if you ask me - to say one is worse is just letting your perception be overshadowed by the fact that you're currently in a pro-paragon anti-renegade thread. There are so many renegades who consider their day wasted if they do not condescend some paragon decision or other, and the forums are full of sentiments like "if you destroy the base the Reapers should win in ME3, that'll teach the paragons". Renegades also "whine" - if that's what you want to call it - about being treated unfairly by BioWare. Immaturity comes in red as well as blue, it seems.

Preach!

[Encarmine]

Nightwriter wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.

Ha! I laugh.

Both sides can be very silly if you ask me - to say one is worse is just letting your perception be overshadowed by the fact that you're currently in a pro-paragon anti-renegade thread. There are so many renegades who consider their day wasted if they do not condescend some paragon decision or other, and the forums are full of sentiments like "if you destroy the base the Reapers should win in ME3, that'll teach the paragons". Renegades also "whine" - if that's what you want to call it - about being treated unfairly by BioWare. Immaturity comes in red as well as blue, it seems.

*critted by mature remark for 10,000k*
*wails PARAGONS THIS ISNT THE LAASST U HAVE SSEEEEEN OF MEEEEeeeaarrhghghghghg*

*Flails about stumbles self implodes in a  huge red fireball*
*drops epic Paragon lootz*

[RiouHotaru]

Encarmine wrote...

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.

I mean, we had

1)the dude who condemd violence against women for the renegade hit the reporter line.
2)some other dudes grandad crying about his ww2 experiances and renegades getting killed in ww2..
3)then of course the entire 'how bad are we to keep a base for the super bad evil TIM'

Could you imagine if Bioware listened to you lot for 5 minutes? we would have a game where we all ride around on unicorns, with pink uniforms, garrus blowing bubbles and eating a picnic with Kaiden in a field full of roseys. All our choices ingame would be Bright blue, Dark Blue and just Blue, or the epic 'make shepard cry' action button, left click to hug squad mate one, right click to hug squad mate 2, click both to call commander hackett so he can tell you everything will be OK.

Disclaimer: I know its not all you paragon choice players, but you have to admit, you are oversubscribed by kids with a serious amount of pink in their bedrooms.

For starters, Paragons only feel the need to defend themselves because Renegades make a regular habit of going "Paragon Shepards and/or (usually the former) their players are idiots for choosing Paragon."  Whenever Paragons try to defend their position, Renegades try to bury them with terms like "logic vs. emotion" and "pragmatism".  After a while, it REALLY starts to bug us.

And actually, if you searched, you find most Paragons understand Renegade choices, and take a few of them ourselves.  The RENEGADES are the most vocal about the alleged "imbalance" in the P/R system.  As for your examples:

1) Whoever did that was being silly, I'll openly agree there
2) Grandad wasn't crying, merely comparing his wartime experiences with how Renegade Shepard acted.  We make comparisons to real-life situations when discussing ME all the time, what's wrong with comparing real-life EXPERIENCES
3) And Renegades LOVE to argue that "Even thinking about destroying the base makes you a meta-gamer and an idiot."

Paragons are no more or less vocal.  Now of course, I can't speak for all Paragons or all Renegades, but really, both sides like to make a lot of accusations and flawed claims about the standings and logic of each side.

[Interactive Civilian]

So, where do us paragades and renegons fit in all of this?

[Nightwriter]

Encarmine wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.

Ha! I laugh.

Both sides can be very silly if you ask me - to say one is worse is just letting your perception be overshadowed by the fact that you're currently in a pro-paragon anti-renegade thread. There are so many renegades who consider their day wasted if they do not condescend some paragon decision or other, and the forums are full of sentiments like "if you destroy the base the Reapers should win in ME3, that'll teach the paragons". Renegades also "whine" - if that's what you want to call it - about being treated unfairly by BioWare. Immaturity comes in red as well as blue, it seems.

*critted by mature remark for 10,000k*
*wails PARAGONS THIS ISNT THE LAASST U HAVE SSEEEEEN OF MEEEEeeeaarrhghghghghg*

*Flails about stumbles self implodes in a  huge red fireball*
*drops epic Paragon lootz*

*swears loudly because killing Encarmine has earned her 500 renegade points*

[FlintlockJazz]

Nightwriter wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

gotta be honest here, why do Paragon style players feel the need to constantly try and make out the other side is evil boogy men who will loose the game lol, you have to try and bash renegades with wild observations like this thred and others. I know some renegades do the same, but, im damn sure i read more paragons whiney about renegade things than i do the other way round.

Ha! I laugh.

Both sides can be very silly if you ask me - to say one is worse is just letting your perception be overshadowed by the fact that you're currently in a pro-paragon anti-renegade thread. There are so many renegades who consider their day wasted if they do not condescend some paragon decision or other, and the forums are full of sentiments like "if you destroy the base the Reapers should win in ME3, that'll teach the paragons". Renegades also "whine" - if that's what you want to call it - about being treated unfairly by BioWare. Immaturity comes in red as well as blue, it seems.

+1.  Agree totally.

[Encarmine]

Oh come on thats like stamping on a dead man flintlock, not needed!!

[DarkSeraphym]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Honestly, both sides (Paragon and Renegade) will be able to finish the game and achieve a satisfying conclusion. Of course, both sides will be upset that the other side was able to achieve said satisfying conclusion because each side feels the others took illogical or silly actions/decisions and that the ending shouldn't have been possible.

This is always how the arguments about P&R turn out. I think both sides just need to accept that their respective paths are possible and reasonable when approached with a particular context and mindset. Neither path is more or less valid than the other.

This is how Mass Effect 3 is ultimately going to play out. Despite what people think, even in real life many decisions are not black and white with one extreme or another, one of which is right. There are plenty of decisions you can make in real life that involve two people coming to the same ends through two different means.

I, for one, cannot wait until my xenophobic, Way of the Closed Fist ReneShep destroys the Reapers. When that happens, I will finally be able to make my wallpaper of Shepard standing on the debris created from their mangled, cybernetic bodies on Earth with Gir in the background screaming "Hooray for Earth!". I have no problem with Paragons getting the same ending.

[Encarmine]

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.



and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

[FlintlockJazz]

Encarmine wrote...

Oh come on thats like stamping on a dead man flintlock, not needed!!

Oops sorry didn't see you there Enc, was just agreeing with Night Writer's sentiment in general regarding the whole Paragon v Renegade thing.   Better go change my boots...

[DarkSeraphym]

Encarmine wrote...

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.

and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

Yes, but that is because grandma always taught me that when you give money to homeless people they are just going to buy liquor with it.

[Encarmine]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.

and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

Yes, but that is because grandma always taught me that when you give money to homeless people they are just going to buy liquor with it.

So not giving money to poor people is a Paragon choice.... you have left me with a Moral dilemma

[DarkSeraphym]

Encarmine wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.

and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

Yes, but that is because grandma always taught me that when you give money to homeless people they are just going to buy liquor with it.

So not giving money to poor people is a Paragon choice.... you have left me with a Moral dilemma

An example of a situation that is actually not so black and white, with multiple motivations (or means) that drive you to the same ends.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:57 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Encarmine wrote...

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.

and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

No, but if they are sipping some drink I sometimes get a red flashy thing...and wind up with free booze!

[Encarmine]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.

and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

No, but if they are sipping some drink I sometimes get a red flashy thing...and wind up with free booze!

hahaha do you get the bell noise also, which now im trying is impossible to type

duuuuuuuun...nah doesnt work

[Deathwurm]

Maybe someone else has pointed this out (I simply don't have the patience to trudge through all the posts...

But does anyone think Bioware is really going to produce a Game where all the decisions you've made from the beginning of the Trilogy will make the last part impossible to Win?

[DarkSeraphym]

Deathwurm wrote...

Maybe someone else has pointed this out (I simply don't have the patience to trudge through all the posts...
But does anyone think Bioware is really going to produce a Game where all the decisions you've made from the beginning of the Trilogy will make the last part impossible to Win?

Honestly, I'm not sure. One of the arguments I had was an example of something that could impact your game would be losing all of your squad mates in the Suicide Mission, but they just had Shepard die in those saves anyway so you couldn't import them even if you wanted to. If there were others, they would have to abandon the concept of no choice being right or wrong.

If anything, I have a feeling Mass Effect 3 will be similar to Mass Effect 2 in that racing through the third game will probably be a great way of making sure the Reapers win.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:11 .

[Dionkey]

I like to think of it this way. If you kill off more allies you will have a easier time recruiting others. The turians might not join if the krogan and rachni are involved.

[Comaatil]

i sorta picked paragon options for my renegade so..im not screwed?

[DarkSeraphym]

Dionkey wrote...

I like to think of it this way. If you kill off more allies you will have a easier time recruiting others. The turians might not join if the krogan and rachni are involved.

This is a possibility, currently there is also a similar argument for the Quarians and the Geth as there are some (including myself) that think that regardless of your affirmation of war or condemnation of war with the Geth, it is going to come regardless. Way too much history there for a human to just come through the front door and try to convince the Quarians to put their argument's aside.

I think you could potentially be onto something regardless. There is a great deal of bitterness between certain species (Rachni/Turians, Krogan/Salarians, Geth/Quarians) and I think I'd be a little disappointed if you could just make all of them work together no matter what. I'd prefer a tougher decision in being able to only recruit some of them, but not all of them.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:17 .

[Stormy-B]

Interactive Civilian wrote...

So, where do us paragades and renegons fit in all of this?

In the middle, slightly leaning to one or the other side.
Just being the coolest cats in the galaxy that has mastered both diplomacy and harsh action.

What else?

[FlintlockJazz]

Encarmine wrote...

FlintlockJazz wrote...

Encarmine wrote...

Does anyone else here, walk past homeless people and get a blue flashy thing appear in their heads... and ignores it.

and then gets a nice little +8 renegade make them feel all warm and nice

No, but if they are sipping some drink I sometimes get a red flashy thing...and wind up with free booze!

hahaha do you get the bell noise also, which now im trying is impossible to type

duuuuuuuun...nah doesnt work

I think so, heard it too many times I tend to tune it out now, but I do also occasionally hear EDI say "Really, Shepard" in the same way she says it when you probe Uranus...

[Deathwurm]

@ DarkSeraphym: Thanks for actually posting well thought out posts as opposed to some others I've read! (no sarcasm)
I think we need to look to real World History here...
There are numerous example of Cultures and Countries that don't exactly get along coming together to fight a common threat (think WW2)
so perhaps some Races will participate regardless of the Choices one makes while playing to make sure they're around to finish the smaller Conflicts with their current Enemies...

Modifié par Deathwurm, 13 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[Dionkey]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

This is a possibility, currently there is also a similar argument for the Quarians and the Geth as there are some (including myself) that think that regardless of your affirmation of war or condemnation of war with the Geth, it is going to come regardless. Way too much history there for a human to just come through the front door and try to convince the Quarians to put their argument's aside.

I think you could potentially be onto something regardless. There is a great deal of bitterness between certain species (Rachni/Turians, Krogan/Salarians, Geth/Quarians) and I think I'd be a little disappointed if you could just make all of them work together no matter what. I'd prefer a tougher decision in being able to only recruit some of them, but not all of them.

I agree. I think the Geth/Quarian war will happen no matter what, but will be less/more impactful and hard/easier to resolve depending on what you chose during legions and talis loyalty.