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[Dean_the_Young]

didymos1120 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

wolfsite wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

I'm not sure why people keep referencing killing Wrex as a Renegade option. Unless you did his mission or have the Charm/Intimidate to make him stand down, he has to be shot regardless of whether you are a Paragon or a Renegade.

I'm guessing it has more to do with him becoming a popular/likable character for most people and thus would see someone wanting to kill him as being Renegade.

Welll, call me crazy, but it might just have something to do with the game giving you Renegade points for personally shooting him, telling Ash to do it, or telling Ash she did the right thing by stepping in.  It's only not Renegade if Ash does so without permission and you then give her sh!t for it.

You're crazy.

Don't blame me.  Blame Bioware.  They're the ones handing out the Ren points. Of course people are gonna consider an action that nets you Renegade points to be a Renegade action. 

Don't worry, you'd still be crazy regardless.

[GodWood]

elfadelbosco wrote...
I think that killing a squad member, who's a friend of yours too, who fought side by side with you, because he's upset for seeing his Commander destroying the cure for his people, is a very BAAAAD action. Isn't it?
Talking to him, keeping him alive and a friend of yours is a gooooooooood one.
Sooooooo simple!

Yes but you can keep Wrex alive through a renegade option.

[GodWood]

elfadelbosco wrote...
of course you can, I'm speaking of FULL renegade, the very very bad guy

I think you have succumbed to the paragon propaganda that one can't be renegade unless they always always pick the lower right dialogue option.
Don't let those paragons corrupt your mind!

Modifié par GodWood, 13 janvier 2011 - 06:44 .

[CroGamer002]

toxiconflict wrote...

You kill the rachni queen and the rachni aren't going to help you fight the reapers, you have an all human council and get no help from the council races, you kill wrex and the krogans will probably not help you, and by using the collector base, you have chosen to have your society go along the paths that the reapers desire like with the mass relays. It all plays into the reapers hands.

Mass Effect Consequences

Also most Renegades didn't killed Wrex, as far as I know.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

toxiconflict wrote...

You kill the rachni queen and the rachni aren't going to help you fight the reapers, you have an all human council and get no help from the council races, you kill wrex and the krogans will probably not help you, and by using the collector base, you have chosen to have your society go along the paths that the reapers desire like with the mass relays. It all plays into the reapers hands.

Mine was a mix of paragon and renegade choices. Examples: I killed the rachni queen but saved the council. I told the quarians to not go to war, but destroyed the genophage cure... for obvious reasons.

Not being just a goody two shoes or just a renegade badass adds a very nice dynamic to the game, IMO.

[IrishGunman]

Some Renegade options seem a little extreme.

[GodWood]

IrishGunman wrote...
Some Renegade options seem a little extreme.

Example?

[Sidac]

while I play a heavy renagade I plan to have the support of the most hated races in the galaxy at the side of us hoomans. Geth and Rachni are the ONLY ones that I have been nice to. Screw everyone else.

While I have wrex alive, I did not do any of the missions on tuchanka that would increase the power of clan urdnot. Gatatog Uvank is still alive and screaming, Mordin's assistant is still making the genophage cure for clan werlock. I hope that leads to korgan fightign each other in ME3 and means they cant help me.

If possible. New council will be geth, human and rachni. Turian, Asari, and Salarians have had their shots and failed.

Modifié par Sidac, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:52 .

[IrishGunman]

GodWood wrote...

IrishGunman wrote...
Some Renegade options seem a little extreme.

Example?

Like when u shot that green asrai excution style in the Thorian , or when u force Jack to kill that guy durning her loyality mission.

[Sidac]

IrishGunman wrote...

Like when u shot that green asrai excution style in the Thorian , or when u force Jack to kill that guy durning her loyality mission.

"Do it jack, Your a killer! Its what you do. hes a part of your past and you came here to erase it!"

[Pwner1323]

Sidac wrote...

IrishGunman wrote...

Like when u shot that green asrai excution style in the Thorian , or when u force Jack to kill that guy durning her loyality mission.

"Do it jack, Your a killer! Its what you do. hes a part of your past and you came here to erase it!"

The super harsh speech to Lagion and Tali in they're confrontation. It was *too* harsh.

Legion should have gone: **** you Shepard Commander!

Modifié par Pwner1323, 13 janvier 2011 - 09:51 .

[GodWood]

IrishGunman wrote...

GodWood wrote...

IrishGunman wrote...
Some Renegade options seem a little extreme.

Example?

Like when u shot that green asrai excution style in the Thorian,

She served sovereign and undoubtly did horrible things in his service, I personally don't kill her but that doesn't mean it's unjustifiable or 'extreme'

or when u force Jack to kill that guy durning her loyality mission.

You don't force her, you give her your opinion on what she should do.
Besides he was going to restart the experiments again, that bastard needed to die.

[Markinator_123]

It boggles my mind when I see topics like this. Seriously, some of you paragon players need to get off of your high horse. Just because some of us don't always play nice that must mean we are going to get screwed over. Very intuitive! I just wish Bioware would screw some of you paragon players just to shut your arrogant behinds up.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 13 janvier 2011 - 11:02 .

[Pwner1323]

Markinator_123 wrote...

It boggles my mind when I see topics like this. Seriously, some of you paragon players need to get off of your high horse. Just because some of us don't always play nice that must mean we are going to get screwed over. Very intuitive! I just wish Bioware would screw some of you paragon players just to shut your arrogant behinds up.

Hell yeah.

[bergklintmichael007]

The nice thing about Mass Effect is that you can be a paragon player, but still have a few badass moments. As far as Renegades being screwed in ME3, this is not completely true...unless you were just a jerk to everyone you met. The bad guys do win sometimes after all.

[Markinator_123]

bergklintmichael007 wrote...

The nice thing about Mass Effect is that you can be a paragon player, but still have a few badass moments. As far as Renegades being screwed in ME3, this is not completely true...unless you were just a jerk to everyone you met. The bad guys do win sometimes after all.

A renegade isn't a bad guy. A renegade kills bad guys paragons sometimes let them go scott free which is quite stupid.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:01 .

[Pwner1323]

bergklintmichael007 wrote...

The bad guys do win sometimes after all.

Two words: Collector base

[adam_grif]

I think that killing a squad member, who's a friend of yours too, who fought side by side with you, because he's upset for seeing his Commander destroying the cure for his people, is a very BAAAAD action. Isn't it?

What does "bad" have to do with "renegade"? If you don't have enough persuade / did family armor quest (I didn't even know the family armor quest existed until my 5th play through!) you have NO CHOICE. It isn't a "renegade decision" because it isn't a decision at all unless you voluntarily decided to kill him when you didn't have to. You know what else is a renegade choice? Intimidating him. You get renegade points, it's a renegade choice, and you keep Wrex.

Saying that one renegade choice is "more renegade" than another is the worst kind of No True Scottsman fallacy. Bioware choosing it for defeault ME2 plays doesn't mean it was more renegade, they actually just selected whichever choices would lead to the minimum of continuity - no Rachni, no Conrad Verner, no Wrex, no optional sidequests at all...

Modifié par adam_grif, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:43 .

[lovgreno]

Pwner1323 wrote...

bergklintmichael007 wrote...

The bad guys do win sometimes after all.

Two words: Collector base

Possibly but not probably as it seems to me. No one is realy punished much for their choices (there are not realy any wrong ones anyway) in the ME stories so if someone thinks that renegade/paragon/renegon/paragade/whatever players should be punished just because they don't share your opinions that is just selfish and not likely to happen as I see it.

[IrishGunman]

GodWood wrote...

IrishGunman wrote...

GodWood wrote...

IrishGunman wrote...
Some Renegade options seem a little extreme.

Example?

Like when u shot that green asrai excution style in the Thorian,

She served sovereign and undoubtly did horrible things in his service, I personally don't kill her but that doesn't mean it's unjustifiable or 'extreme'

or when u force Jack to kill that guy durning her loyality mission.

You don't force her, you give her your opinion on what she should do.
Besides he was going to restart the experiments again, that bastard needed to die.

The 1 with Jack reminded me when Skywalker killed Doku, and the Emperoer begged him on.
*Excuse spelling*

[DarkSeraphym]

elfadelbosco wrote...

DarkSeraphym wrote...

That is not what I am refering to. I am refering to when you get on the Collector Cruiser, not the Base. That is when the Collectors try to spring a trap on you and capture you in the floating space turd (surely you thought of it too). It's the same ship that you get your weapon upgrade of choice. If at any point you scanned anything and got paid for doing so, I think on average it is 5000 caps since the tech in that thing is extremely valuable, you kind of already are taking Reaper tech and selling it to Cerberus. The game literally tells you that you are getting paid a bounty from Cerberus for that technology when you scan it. I am assuming that BioWare isn't even going to make it matter, as it was just a way of making money, but from a roleplaying perspective you are taking Reaper technology out of that Cruiser and selling it to Cerberus everytime you scan anything there.

Well, you sent a lot of Collectors' technology to TIM, good for him, but he was aiming for the Reaper's one, that was his main goal, and that's where you let him down... this is how I see it, but I could be wrong

Well, I'm not disagreeing. If you are a Paragon, you have denied The Illusive Man probably the most valuable piece of technology available to him. I'm just merely pointing out that throughout the game, the way you make money is through selling technology to Cerberus for a bounty, some of the most valuable of which you are scanning right off of the Collector Cruiser and if Collector technology is Reaper technology, then you already have sold Cerberus some Reaper technology just by scanning things for money.

Anyways, the point I was trying to address is that as of Mass Effect 2, technology has become more important than just about anything in the fight against the Reapers. Two of the four needed components for the fight are based upon Reaper technology already and the game itself sets up a monetary system based upon you stealing technology and then handing it off to Cerberus for payment. So far, the Mass Effect series really hasn't been setting up the idea that sheer numbers are going to be enough to beat the Reapers.

If anything, I think the only thing the Paragon and Renegade decisions are probably going to effect is the political "landscape" of the galaxy. As a Paragon, you are setting up a peaceful federation of many species who have all gained respect for one another in the fight against the Reapers or as a Renegade you are likely setting up something very similar to a human empire. They may make the decisions have some impact by allowing you to handle a few missions in totally different ways, as BioWare has promised that they are going to let the game be as chaotic as possible, but there is only so much you can do before just making a separate Paragon and Renegade version of Mass Effect 3. This is very much similar to how Dragon Age worked with most of the consequences coming in the ending with only a handful effecting you in the game, such as getting werewolves or golems in your army if you made some of the "evil" decisions. Hell, the effect on making alliances could be very similar to the one we got from Dragon Age. The only real impact it might have is on making the final fight easier.

Modifié par DarkSeraphym, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:13 .

[Aggie Punbot]

Markinator_123 wrote...

It boggles my mind when I see topics like this. Seriously, some of you paragon players need to get off of your high horse. Just because some of us don't always play nice that must mean we are going to get screwed over. Very intuitive! I just wish Bioware would screw some of you paragon players just to shut your arrogant behinds up.

Interesting, isn't it, that a few paragon players are acting like a renegade on these forums? Wanting/demanding other players to be treated badly because they didn't make the same choices they made in their own game is a pretty dickish attitude to be sporting.

I say let the story unfold in a logical fashion. If sparing Shiala/Fist/Elnora, etc. ends up being a very bad thing, so be it. If killing the rachni queen ends up making everything much harder in ME3, so be it.

This sort of 'I think you should get f*cked over in ME3 because you don't play the way I do' attitude is causing a huge rift in the fandom and it makes me sad since we all have something in common: we all love the Mass Effect universe. Can't we all be geeky together without trying to tear each other apart?

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:07 .

[Ryzaki]

Gah both renegades and paragons who think someone else's experience should be lesser because ra forbid they don't do the same things need to GTFO.



For every "ooh you didn't keep the collector base!" renegade whining there's some paragon whining about killing people.



Honestly both sides need to STFU because it's old. Really old.



And both uber renegade and uber paragon Shep is a sue not just one or the other.