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[Assasin4Hire]

It's 100 something years into the future and your being funded by a kajillionaire who is willing to buy you pretty much anything if it means you succeeding. Who's to say that these factors don't lead to Cerberus having some lightweight Kelvar clothing, or some futuristic material, for Jacob and Miranda



In the case on Jack and Samara In Shadowbroker Liara deflected shots with her biotic barrier. Why couldn't it be possible that Samara and Jack are capable of producing an even more powerful barrier?

[RarelessAltima]

Essentially most of the team is fighting in their leisure gear. Shepard is different because he has both combat and leisure gear. I really, really wish Bioware would've included real Cerberus loyalty armor for each squad mate. Maybe they didn't have the time.

As it stands, the loyalty armor is just a different skin. The different looking battle gear was a great feature in ME1, I wonder why they discarded it in ME2. I think it would be great to see Thane, Jack, or Mordin with battle fatigues.

A part of me hopes that Bioware makes plans to release combat gear for more characters as DLC... Good battle gear is important isn't it?

Modifié par RarelessAltima, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:45 .

[Undertone]

Okay at this point each side will bring whatever arguments.

Would all of you pro-costume people be willing to compromise and agree to have it like Dragon Age? That way everyone is happy. Morrigan can have her sexy costume but can be given armor if you wish so. Miranda and Jack can have their unique costumes but you can give them armor if you want to in ME3 (provided they return as companions).

Does that work for everybody?

Modifié par Undertone, 17 janvier 2011 - 03:53 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

I would like a casual and an armor section for my chosen crew they don't have to have loads of casuals and armor types like shep does but say 2 -3 outfits in each section so on board if I want Jack the shirtless wounder running around then fine but if I want her to cover it up then great also when we go into dangerous ports, ground missions, and in space or hazardous zones I can tell her wear this armor or wear your casuals so those who want a casual 24/7 inverse armor Jack can have it those who want her to wear armor have that too.

[rma2110]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I would like a casual and an armor section for my chosen crew they don't have to have loads of casuals and armor types like shep does but say 2 -3 outfits in each section so on board if I want Jack the shirtless wounder running around then fine but if I want her to cover it up then great also when we go into dangerous ports, ground missions, and in space or hazardous zones I can tell her wear this armor or wear your casuals so those who want a casual 24/7 inverse armor Jack can have it those who want her to wear armor have that too.

Now, that is an awesome idea. I would love a selection of casual and armour too. It is Shepard's ship and shep can have a dress code if he/she wants to. Shepard runs the ship military and I just wish my squad dressed like it. No more catsuits or belts pretending to be shirts.

Modifié par rma2110, 17 janvier 2011 - 06:27 .

[Vena_86]

ignore this post

Modifié par Vena_86, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:39 .

[darth_lopez]

Stensig wrote...


-->Upadate<--

The topic is officially over and an agrement has been reached:

Ok it looks like we have reach
an agreement.. The skin-showing clothing and "personal" clothing is ok
and all that, but belongs to The Normandy part of the game. Besides
that, sqaudmates should be wearing armor when in battle, some of us even
think biotics should, while some of us disagrees. 

The topic is officially over and closed, but you're free to keep discussiong and go off topic.

^^this ^^^^above^^^

Totally right. i'm almost positive most the community feels that way.


EDIT:
a;so agree with Vena(sorry if i mispelled) on the topic of femshep in ME 2, infact Femshep just felt weird in ME 2 for me. I had no problems in ME 1 and it was my prefered shepard hale did wonderful VA for her. But in ME 2 something just seemed wrong >.>

Modifié par darth_lopez, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Vena_86]

ADLegend21 wrote...

All the "inappropriately" clothes squaddies are biotics. biotics can produce a biotic barrier to protect them from jsut about anything inclding space, since barriers are mass effect fields that distort space. The non-biotic crewmates aside from Kasumi and Tali are all hardsuited up but Kasmi and Tali wear full body suitsand Kasumi's is built for stealth not guerilla warfare. If I already had a biotic barrier protecting me I'd probably wear some PJ's into combat if Shepard would let me.

Why would biotics waste so much of their power on something that basic modern armor would do for them?
Tali looks perfectly fine and attractive without exposing her skin to bullets and hazardous environments. Ashley and Liara had casual clothing on the ship and real armor for missions in ME1. 
Aside from Tali and Legion every squadmate in ME2 has unsealed parts on their suits, no matter what the environment. No "specialist" would be so careless. This is not the middle ages where decent protection is clunky and heavy, as shown by Tali and every other armor in ME1.

[JKoopman]

BTW, to whomever it was that said that characters like Jack wouldn't be trained in how to effectively wear armor by virtue of not being in the military, Liara certainly wasn't a soldier and yet she was still more than capable of wearing Light Armor in ME1.

And by extension, to whomever it was that said that your team in ME2 isn't part of the Alliance military and therefor isn't required to follow Shepard's dress codes, neither Garrus, Wrex, Liara nor Tali were part of any military in ME1, least of all the Alliance military, yet each went into battle in full-body sealed combat suits per Shepard's orders.

Modifié par JKoopman, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:18 .

[Sairiwen]

C'mon, people, you don't know what you're potentially missing here. Imagine: just turned adult, in her hottest outfit... The Rachni Queen squadmate.
Not sure about the high heels, may take a lot of them for her to not trip over every step, but it can be worked into a DLC if she is popular.

(Edit: bad spelling)

Modifié par Sairiwen, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .

[Gleym]

Madame November wrote...

According to all those in favor of impractical outfits, this person would be able to survive if they had biotics, because even though their outfit LOOKS like a simple pair of jeans and shirt, they are in fact wearing super-advanced space kevlar. Herp.

Modifié par Gleym, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:27 .

[Mister Mida]

Stensig wrote...


-->Upadate<--

The topic is officially over and an agrement has been reached:

Ok it looks like we have reach
an agreement.. The skin-showing clothing and "personal" clothing is ok
and all that, but belongs to The Normandy part of the game. Besides
that, sqaudmates should be wearing armor when in battle, some of us even
think biotics should, while some of us disagrees. 

The topic is officially over and closed, but you're free to keep discussiong and go off topic.

We've reached concensus? Excellent.
I think that at least biotics who are in the military, like Kaidan, should wear light armour at least.

Modifié par Mister Mida, 17 janvier 2011 - 09:11 .

[tonnactus]

Maintaining a steady barrier is impossible(using biotics is exhausting and limit the options of using offensive biotics). Case closed.
And even when,biotics for sure want to have a fallback when the barrier breaks down in combat like shields.
There is just no reason not to use shields in addition to a biotic barrier.

Modifié par tonnactus, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:23 .

[FrancisKitt]

Encarmine wrote...

would you rather these as your squad mates??


 

TALI!

[InvincibleHero]

JKoopman wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

I have no problem with how they are dressed, I just think its a bit silly when your running about with a helmet, in an environment with no air that is similar to space (the geth ship), Miranda is wearing nothing but a mask over her mouth. Also during Tali's loyalty mission she is running about a ship that is meant to be sterile and she doesn't wear a helmet irl she'd need a hazmat suit, srsly (Miranda i mean).

Why is that a problem? Do scuba divers wear a full helmet? Nope you only need the breather in your mouth. People are making too much of an issue about it. If you were ona planet that was 400 Fahrenheit then maybe yeah you need a full suit. Shepard's armor wasn't one of the envirosuits from the first game either. It looks like an upgrade of the N7 Onyx armor which did not have hazard protection in ME1.

I'm sorry, I'm probably misreading you, but are you seriously suggesting that a person could survive in the vacuum of space in nothing but a scuba rebreather?

And as for Miranda and co. wearing nothing but facemasks on the Quarian Flotilla, yes, that's a problem. It's a clear breach of the Quarian protocols established in the novels. They should all be inside sealed hazmat suits. One gaseous fart or a sweaty palm-print on a door could contaminate the ship's sterile environment.

For a short period of time 30 seconds or so yeah with nothing but holding breath. Without equalizing pressure your blood pressure would cause you to basically explode.  However, the only time anyone in the game was in vacuum was Shepard in the intro when he was launched off the Normandy 1. You needed breathing apparatus on the Collector ship, but it needed atmosphere because you already know they had experimented on humans and other species. They are also organic themselves. Also the Normandy shuttle when docking has to equalize pressure before entering. that is the entire theory on airlocks.

How so. Quarians go out into the world and they always wear their suits anyway. Maybe privately they have a "clean room" where they can take off suits. Where Shepard and co are greeted is where they do meet non-quarians and it was relegated to a specific ship. So how do they sterilize all their supplies they bring aboard or even food? You cannot ever achieve 100% sterility unless nothing leaves or enters ever.

[Gleym]

I like how the only alternative to the fact that the outfits make no sense is that the lore is flawed, meaning people are really that okay with buttf*cking the lore just so Miranda and Jack can prance around half-naked.

[InvincibleHero]

Gleym wrote...

I like how the only alternative to the fact that the outfits make no sense is that the lore is flawed, meaning people are really that okay with buttf*cking the lore just so Miranda and Jack can prance around half-naked.

Just how protective do you think the armor is? It is only a couple of cm of ceramic or like material. It would degrade from a few hits as it ablates strikes. Or it could plain just be penetrated as if it isn't there by a mass porpelled slug. The speed and impact is way beyond current guns such that I don't believe armor is logical to block it. Biotic fields and kinetic shields yeah but plain old material armor no.

Freedom of movement is important in combat. Great swordsmen can fight without armor and defeat an armored opponent. There are tradeoffs. Miranda's looks just as thick as light armor from the first game and who knows waht materail it is. It could be a modern day super-kevlar in ME.

[FlintlockJazz]

InvincibleHero wrote...
For a short period of time 30 seconds or so yeah with nothing but holding breath. Without equalizing pressure your blood pressure would cause you to basically explode.  However, the only time anyone in the game was in vacuum was Shepard in the intro when he was launched off the Normandy 1. You needed breathing apparatus on the Collector ship, but it needed atmosphere because you already know they had experimented on humans and other species. They are also organic themselves. Also the Normandy shuttle when docking has to equalize pressure before entering. that is the entire theory on airlocks.

Incorrect, the explosion thing is a hollywoodism.  First off, holding your breath is the worst thing you could do in that situation, your lungs would burst, you actually want to empty your lungs when in a vacuum.  You also want to shut your eyes as otherwise the veins in them will burst causing you to go blind and cry blood.  There's more, but I can't remember it all at the mo and at work so can't look it up but yes you can survive in a vaccum for a very short period of time but you ain't going to be in any shape afterwards or even during.

As to why many of us want the sealed armour, having teammates able to go around in their underwear removes story options and possibilities.  Running up the outside of the Citadel Tower was awesome because they brought in the whole issue with gravity and had you in sealed suits, had they just had it that the place had normal gravity and air it would have been reduced.  Going into dangerous environments in proper gear helps make the game feel more awesome, making it so that you only need a gas mask (if even that) just lessens the experience and means that you have less options in the future. 

Besides, the Collector ship may have had an atmosphere but if I was going to board an alien vessel that is supposedly damaged I will make sure I go in a sealed suit as a matter of course since you never know when you might got blown off the ship or need to go outside.  Going into any hostile environment in space would warrant a sealed space suit, otherwise if you were boarding my ship I would just vent the atmosphere out of the ship...

[Jebel Krong]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Ulzeraj wrote...
Marvel and DC have been doing this for more than a decade.

Superman doesn't exist in ME.

And really, your skill at debates is abysmal. You keep missing the point and ingore basic logic.

Samara, Jack Miranada - they cna wear those clothes in their private time (or in your playtrough) as much as they want. But some of us would like that in our playtrough, they choose their wardrobe with a bit more sense (or that we may choose for them)...

After all, there is no "I" in a team, and if I say everyone should assemble in matching armor, then they better well do it or they're out of the team.

nice oxymoron there, sport. realistically no band of hard-asses like you assemble is all gonna wear nice, matching, uniforms just because you want them to - no elite units do it today, let alone all the different (mostly loner-type) personalities as represented in ME2. at the most, maybe, you could get the cerberus people to suit up but grunt, thane, let alone jack - no way in hell.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Miranda and Samara will probably get new outfits that will stop people from complaining (look at what they did with Jack) Although since samara's magic body armor isn't really super important because she has a constant biotic field that functions in the fiction as body armor. Miranda getting something a little more "heavy" would probably make her scenes in the collector base at the end a little more badass.

[FlintlockJazz]

Jebel Krong wrote...
nice oxymoron there, sport. realistically no band of hard-asses like you assemble is all gonna wear nice, matching, uniforms just because you want them to - no elite units do it today, let alone all the different (mostly loner-type) personalities as represented in ME2. at the most, maybe, you could get the cerberus people to suit up but grunt, thane, let alone jack - no way in hell.

*Shepard, Garrus and Jack are aboard the Collector ship when a message comes through*
EDI: Commander, the Collectors are venting the area of the ship you are in.
Shepard:  Suit up people!
*Garrus and Shepard stick their helmets on*
Jack:  Um, what about me?  I only got this breather unit...
Shepard:  *Shrugs* What do you expect me to do?  I told you to put on sealable armour but you thought runnning around with your ****** out was somehow a better idea.
Jack:  *eyes bleeding* ckjshdfkhjknk
Garrus:  Is she gonna cough up a lung?  I'd really like to see that!
Shepard:  EDI, send me a new teammate, this one seems to be broken.
EDI:  Other than Garrus the only other teammate with a fully sealed outfit is Tali.
Shepard:  What about Grunt?
EDI:  He likes to keep his upper arms exposed, he's going for a krogan suntan...
Shepard:  Ah, what about Legion?
Garrus:  Shepard, we're only at the Collector ship, we don't get him until the dead reaper mission.
Shepard:  Bollocks...

No elite units run around in inappropriate outfits, if they're truly professional they'll wear proper combat clothes, and yes they will match if they are professional.

[bbbbbb]

Assasin4Hire wrote...

It's 100 something years into the future and your being funded by a kajillionaire who is willing to buy you pretty much anything if it means you succeeding. Who's to say that these factors don't lead to Cerberus having some lightweight Kelvar clothing, or some futuristic material, for Jacob and Miranda

In the case on Jack and Samara In Shadowbroker Liara deflected shots with her biotic barrier. Why couldn't it be possible that Samara and Jack are capable of producing an even more powerful barrier?

finally a like-minded person....the imagination of some people is...well seemingly non-existant

[FlintlockJazz]

bbbbbb wrote...

Assasin4Hire wrote...

It's 100 something years into the future and your being funded by a kajillionaire who is willing to buy you pretty much anything if it means you succeeding. Who's to say that these factors don't lead to Cerberus having some lightweight Kelvar clothing, or some futuristic material, for Jacob and Miranda

In the case on Jack and Samara In Shadowbroker Liara deflected shots with her biotic barrier. Why couldn't it be possible that Samara and Jack are capable of producing an even more powerful barrier?

finally a like-minded person....the imagination of some people is...well seemingly non-existant

I can imagine just fine, no need to attack others for not having the same opinion as your own, otherwise we could say you lack the imagination to envision what possibilities and situations the impractical outfits are taking away from the game.  I'm fine with bioplastic armour (read GURPS ultra-tech), however they were still designed to be sealable.  We'd also just like some internal consistency to the way armour is utlised in this game, and what exactly it brings to the table.

[Gleym]

bbbbbb wrote...

finally a like-minded person....the imagination of some people is...well seemingly non-existant

Imagination doesn't factor into it. That's like saying because I'd find it freaking retarded that Gollum didn't die when he fell into Mt. Doom but went swimming in the fiery lava pits instead that I don't have any sort of imagination. Or that if Iron Man traded in his armor for a gimp costume that it's a lack of vision on my behalf rather than it simply being f*ck-stupid.

I'll say what I said in another thread. I'm always going to prefer the lore-accurate armor that's along the lines of this, or this, or this, or heck, even if it has to be skintight like Miranda's outfit it can even look like this. It isn't a 'limited imagination' on my behalf when something is freakin' obviously clothing and not armor due to the fact that the fabric doesn't act like any sort of armor. And when the rationale behind it is 'oh, it must be a special fabric that has all of the texture, feel and physics of regular spandex, but can deflect bullets!' and I call you lot out on it why everybody else isn't using it? 'Uh, well, clearly only Miranda uses it!'. What a load of trite bollocks. It's not a lack of imagination that makes us disapprove of Miranda's jumpsuit. It's the fact that Miranda's jumpsuit is altogether lacking in imagination in the first place. It's not armor. It's a freaking catsuit. If Shepard ran around dressed like this you sure as hell wouldn't be defending it that much.

And then when you continue to stubbornly insist that it's a super special space fabric, we address the other offender: Jack. Except we don't want to talk about Jack, do we? We don't have an excuse for Jack, other than dismissive remarks about how none of the planets are that dangerous, or how her biotics would protect her-- Oh wait, it's been repeatedly stated and proven via the Codex that her biotics wouldn't do sh*t to save her. So what do you do instead? Pretend nobody said anything. Cause it's alright to prance around half-naked as long as it's part of a unique and interesting character design, right? Well then meet Bob the Space-Hobo. Bob has biotics too, so I guess he's totally safe walking around the middle of a warzone dressed like that.

Don't call other people unimaginative just because we're not hormonal nitwits who absolutely must have a character prancing around in a skintight catsuit. Because in the end, that's all this is about. People trying to cover up the fact that they really like seeing Miranda's ass in their faces on the screen and not wanting it covered up by actual armor that makes sense. Because that'd mean that they can't oogle it all the t-- I mean, that'd detract from her 'unique character appearance'.