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[Ulzeraj]

@JKoopman

Being hyperbole do not make your opinion look more relevant. Lets be realistic then...

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:21 .

[Gleym]

Nor does quoting a poorly-written comic about how humans are terrible and monsters are persecuted and sad. Or posting a picture of a side-character from Star Trek who doesn't enter a combat situation, for that matter. OR posting a picture totally contrary to the many, many, MANY visual examples already posted of what WOULD work, just because it negates your insistance of how ******-and-ass costumes make sense. Funny how that works.

Modifié par Gleym, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:23 .

[JKoopman]

Ulzeraj wrote...

@JKoopman

Being hyperbole do not make your opinion look more relevant. Lets be realistic then...

But it does make yours relevant? I'm confused.

And yes, by all means, let's be realisitc.

Modifié par JKoopman, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:24 .

[Uszi]

Bah, I hate investing a bunch of time making a long reply only for the next page to start and everything to be ignored.

This is an adequate paraphrase:

Uszi wrote...
LETS REVIEW class

Situation:
Miranda Lawson Eats a bullet when her barriers go down.
RESULTS:

Miranda + armor
Miranda gets a few broken rips and moderate tissue damage.



Miranda + dat ass
Maybe she will change out of the tracksuit for the funeral?

Modifié par Uszi, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:32 .

[Gleym]

Heck, let's be even MORE realistic and look at my post just two pages back and look at the entire FOUR pictures posted!

Gleym wrote...
I'll say what I said in another thread. I'm always going to prefer the lore-accurate armor that's along the lines of this, or this, or this, or heck, even if it has to be skintight like Miranda's outfit it can even look like this.

Wow, lookit that! Several armors that look like they'd make sense, can be sexy and flirty, and AREN'T freakin' retarded. Man, we really ARE QQ'ing, aren't we, Ulzeraj? With our reasonable logic and our rational thought that isn't focused on ****** and ass? Geez, we're such jerks!

[Uszi]

Gleym wrote...

Heck, let's be even MORE realistic and look at my post just two pages back and look at the entire FOUR pictures posted!

Gleym wrote...
I'll say what I said in another thread. I'm always going to prefer the lore-accurate armor that's along the lines of this, or this, or this, or heck, even if it has to be skintight like Miranda's outfit it can even look like this.

Wow, lookit that! Several armors that look like they'd make sense, can be sexy and flirty, and AREN'T freakin' retarded. Man, we really ARE QQ'ing, aren't we, Ulzeraj? With our reasonable logic and our rational thought that isn't focused on ****** and ass? Geez, we're such jerks!

The problem with these long and heated threads is that previous pages are largely ignored.  <_<

This point is spot on though.  Zaeed is in full armor, and yet his appearence is specifically character driven.  We can have the unique and sexy appearences of the ME2 cast in sexy, functional armor.  It can be done.

[Gleym]

Problem with these long and heated threads is that people like us actually use logic and base our arguments on what the game actually tells us, and people like Ulzeraj just troll along with their facetious scoffing commentary that tries to label anyone who doesn't agree with them as being 'so srs' rather than admit that they're just against armor because of the ******.

[Ulzeraj]

Gleym wrote...

Nor does quoting a poorly-written comic about how humans are terrible and monsters are persecuted and sad. Or posting a picture of a side-character from Star Trek who doesn't enter a combat situation, for that matter. Funny how that works.

Dude... I'm gonna reply to you one more time: ME is a work of fiction. Fiction as the name says has poetic license to ignore the realm of reality for the sake of the story, gameplay, eye candy you name it. Is that hard to understand?

They want to make characters look more appealing thats with them. Hell... X-men is showing half-naked girls on space since before we both are born. Are you on a crusade to fight the sexual paradigm of our society or something?

I love physics and know about it enough to cringe to some ME concepts like FTL speed and stuff (check the Einstein's relativity thread), but I don't care because its a fiction art. If I wanted a realistic game I would play some crap like America's Army or Flight Simulator or something like that.  Just enjoy the friggin game or dont.

[Gleym]

Ulzeraj wrote...

Dude... I'm gonna reply to you one more time: ME is a work of fiction. Fiction as the name says has poetic license to ignore the realm of reality for the sake of the story, gameplay, eye candy you name it. Is that hard to understand?

They want to make characters look more appealing thats with them. Hell... X-men is showing half-naked girls on space since before we both are born. Are you on a crusade to fight the sexual paradigm of our society or something?

I love physics and know about it enough to cringe to some ME concepts like FTL speed and stuff (check the Einstein's relativity thread), but I don't care because its a fiction art. If I wanted a realistic game I would play some crap like America's Army or Flight Simulator or something like that.  Just enjoy the friggin game or dont.

Gotcha. So Shepard can swim in lava. And Tali doesn't need to wear her suit in the slightest. I mean, if Miranda and Jack can roam planets covered in thick misty clouds of toxic chlorine that will kill you in such large doses from seeping into your skin and eyes, then why the f*ck would Tali need her suit?

[aeetos21]

It's like having our cake and eating it too! Seriously wasn't this EXACTLY how ME1 worked? Armor in battle and non-armor outfits off mission? The only complaints there were we wanted more original character outfits, which we got but at the price of them being way over the top and unrealistic in terms of combat:

"Oooh! Jack is so tough she doesn't need armor her biotics are SOOO powerful!"

Yeah except when that shield fails and she gets annihilated - not that it was any different for any of the other characters but still.

As for biotics not needing armor? With the exception of Lady Benezia someone please, PLEASE, point to one fight in either game against a biotic who didn't have some form of armor.

Seriously though, this whole thread reminds me of a SP episode, while extremely funny and witty - admittedly its pretty sad.

Modifié par aeetos21, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:41 .

[Uszi]

Ulzeraj wrote...
I love physics and know about it enough to cringe to some ME concepts like FTL speed and stuff (check the Einstein's relativity thread), but I don't care because its a fiction art. If I wanted a realistic game I would play some crap like America's Army or Flight Simulator or something like that.  Just enjoy the friggin game or dont.

This argument is a bit spurrious because you're forgetting that ME1 had the look most people in this thread are arguing for.  So it's just a classic, "ME1 did this better," thread.  Your argument makes the faulty assumption that this nitpick exists in a void.  In reality, it's just one of the many aspects a vocal portion of the forum liked better about ME1 and would like to have return in ME3.

I don't think the argument would be even 10% as involved as it has gotten if we weren't debating what is percieved as a step backwards from ME1 to ME2 in the face of ME3's arrival in a few months.

That's my thinking at least.  We went from everyone needing armor to survive to just throwing on whatever, within the same universe.

Modifié par Uszi, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:47 .

[Gleym]

Seriously. Nobody's saying it CAN'T look sexy. Just make it make sense, dangit. I don't care if she's wearing padded armor that makes her ****** look even bigger than they should be, just put some damn armor on, you freakin' bimbo!

[GodWood]

I dislike the notion that armours/outfits have to be sexy.

Seriously why?

Why can't they just be in armour?

When you're playing a game do you sit there and think "I'm shooting things but my sqadmates aren't giving me a boner WTF IZ THIS!?"

Porn exists for a reason you know.

[Ulzeraj]

Gleym wrote...

Seriously. Nobody's saying it CAN'T look sexy. Just make it make sense, dangit. I don't care if she's wearing padded armor that makes her ****** look even bigger than they should be, just put some damn armor on, you freakin' bimbo!

I am not against armor as long as it do not go back to the same-boring-****-hey-looks-its-just-adding-texture of ME1. I do not doubt of the greatness of ME1 (seriously, from Ilos to the ending I felt it was so amazing that I almost cried)... but such greatness had nothing to do with armor.

I'm all for armor as long as it looks good like on SC2 because if I wanted crude realism I would join the army or something instead of playing computer games.



And hell its your fault lol. If you knew the atmosphere was full of chlorine (witch I'm quite sure it doesn't hurt the skin in a short term... but can be nasty to your eyes) why did you took Jack knowing she doesn't _have_ proper armor? You are a very bad commander!


@Uzsi

Nice work cutting my reply including the relevancy of the first paragraph.

@GodWood

Eye candy. It is not everything but it is nice to have sometimes. 

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 18 janvier 2011 - 07:02 .

[Gleym]

Bah, the point isn't whether or not I bring Jack or not, it's just so frickin' annoying when the first game clearly didn't have a problem with alternating characters between a default on-ship appearance and battle attire. I mean, there was no point in changing it, y'know? I mean, was it really that hard to set Miranda up with an equally skin-tight, padded and slightly armored getup? Or to give Jack some kinda spiked, punk'ish armor? I just don't get it, man. I don't get why one form of realism is meant to be taken seriously (such as the Quarian immune system), but another is meant to be dismissed (that aforementioned chlorine atmosphere is so thick and dense with it that it is in fact toxic; and trust me, highly concentrated amounts of chlorine will cause severe burns and fatal poisoning, there was an incident at the local pool in my hometown involving chlorine, several people were hospitalized, so I imagine a PLANET like that is gonna be worse).

[Uszi]

Ulzeraj wrote...

@Uzsi

Nice work cutting my reply including the relevancy of the first paragraph.

You didn't say anything in the first paragraph that can't be learned from the paragraph I quoted, which was the actual meat of your post, to which I was replying. 

Which part of the first paragraph makes only quoting the last bit a distortion of your original meaning?

Quoting every bit of everyone's post seems... ill advised.  Especially if it's redundant or unrelated to your reply.  IMO, a waste of forum space unless it can't be avoided.

[GodWood]

Ulzeraj wrote...
@GodWood
Eye candy. It is not everything but it is nice to have sometimes. 

Keep it in the romance scenes.
ME1 had full nudity in romance scenes and full armour in combat.
ME2 had dry humping in romance scenes and sexualized spandex in combat.

I personally think ME1 had the right idea.

[Ulzeraj]

@Uzsi
About ME being on the realm of fiction and thus having no obligation to obey reality concepts.

@Godwood
But they could had improved on the armor. The armor at the end of the game just looked like another random texture. There should be an end game improvement on armor appearance.

See... the blood dragon armor model is very cool (and it would be even more cool if I could toggle helmets) even being a DLC. Most of the armor models for shepard on ME2 are appealing. Again... I will use wow because it has tons of armor (so spare me of walking on lava comments):

Level 1 random armor is meh:


Used-to-be-endgame tier 2 armor is awesome:


See? Not much sexual content (not even big boobs) but nevertheless is cool. Just-another-color-texture armor is boring.

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 18 janvier 2011 - 07:23 .

[Babli]

GodWood wrote...

Ulzeraj wrote...
@GodWood
Eye candy. It is not everything but it is nice to have sometimes. 

Keep it in the romance scenes.
ME1 had full nudity in romance scenes and full armour in combat.
ME2 had dry humping in romance scenes and sexualized spandex in combat.

I personally think ME1 had the right idea.

THIS.

[ZLurps]

Ulzeraj wrote...

Dude... I'm gonna reply to you one more time: ME is a work of fiction. Fiction as the name says has poetic license to ignore the realm of reality for the sake of the story, gameplay, eye candy you name it. Is that hard to understand?

They want to make characters look more appealing thats with them. Hell... X-men is showing half-naked girls on space since before we both are born. Are you on a crusade to fight the sexual paradigm of our society or something?

I love physics and know about it enough to cringe to some ME concepts like FTL speed and stuff (check the Einstein's relativity thread), but I don't care because its a fiction art. If I wanted a realistic game I would play some crap like America's Army or Flight Simulator or something like that.  Just enjoy the friggin game or dont.

Well, comic book industry needed to make up this "graphic novel" thing for a number of reasons.

I see your point though, especially because most of the "hard" sci-fi I read when I was young was really, really dry. However, I fail to understand why it should be either armours or no armours? Why not allow players to customise look of their squad mate outfits?

Edit: It looks like we have similar idea.

Modifié par ZLurps, 18 janvier 2011 - 07:30 .

[Ulzeraj]

Grunt uses the perfect example of eye-candied armor:



Its different from what every possible Wrex armor and what every random Krogan wears through both games.

Modifié par Ulzeraj, 18 janvier 2011 - 07:44 .

[GodWood]

Cover them arms and give him the option for a helmet and he's fine.

[NYG1991]

I personally prefer the armor for squaddies that they had in ME1 and hope they revert back to this in ME3. On the Normandy let them wear whatever but on missions I prefer an armored fireteam.

[InvincibleHero]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

InvincibleHero wrote...

Just how protective do you think the armor is? It is only a couple of cm of ceramic or like material. It would degrade from a few hits as it ablates strikes. Or it could plain just be penetrated as if it isn't there by a mass porpelled slug. The speed and impact is way beyond current guns such that I don't believe armor is logical to block it. Biotic fields and kinetic shields yeah but plain old material armor no.

Freedom of movement is important in combat. Great swordsmen can fight without armor and defeat an armored opponent. There are tradeoffs. Miranda's looks just as thick as light armor from the first game and who knows waht materail it is. It could be a modern day super-kevlar in ME.

1) ME armor isn't super-heavy or ankward to move in
2) Any proof that those clothes are made of super-kevlar
3) Assuming they are, wouldn't a thicker layer of it be even MORE protective?
4) We see how armor looks in the ME universe. From light to heavy variants, they all look like armors. Cloths don't look like armors. Clothes aren't armors.

1. As you say the armor isn't super-heavy so why the belief it is super protective. Really with mass-effect propelled slugs I'd theorize a t-shirt is almost as good as that thin armor.

2. Just like you have no proof the armors rendred in game have any real protection against the weapons fired against it in game. Rocket launchers Really hmm OK 1-2 cm of ceramic material is so totally going to absorb that.
3. I agree thicker would genrally be more protective but you trade off mobility. Also the in-game armors don't appear tank worthy either.

4. Seriously. The light armor looks like clothes to me. It isn't very thick and follows the contours of the body. You could latex a woman's body and get it to look like the Collossus light armor.

[InvincibleHero]

Gleym wrote...

So, Majere, I take it if Shepard went skinny-dipping in lava that'd be perfectly sensible to you?

He wouldn't survive with the N7 armor in ME2 either. If he did then it wouldn't be very credible.