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[ngen]

Lets face it, except for a few good moments, most game developers that has to create sexy (sensual) outfits, emotions or the likes mostly just ends up with a perfect ass or over sized breasts. As a male it's hard to object to, but I find it annoying and ruins the atmosphere when these teenage fantasies are then taken out to a fast paced combat scenario.

If my XO wants to shake her ass at me while we are on R&R or even on the ship, fine. But put on a goddamn combat suit when we go out to blow stuff up.

Modifié par ngen, 13 janvier 2011 - 04:38 .

[Uszi]

The TL:DR version of the following post:

Summary:  Miranda/Samara's outfits and representation are pure, marketing based fan-bait.

Uszi wrote...
You know what, I'm not even cricizing the game for all of the above.  I understand and accept why this content is in the game.  But I am saying, let's not lie to ourselves here people.

Lets be honest about the calibur and intent of this content.  And then move on.  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png

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AHEM.
/clearthroat

Rykoth wrote...

I can understand people wanting "realism" with the outfits. But seriously? People are that uptight over seeing Miranda's ass?

It's no so much that her ass existed as it did, so bubbly and crazy.  That's explained and generally accepted as a part of her character.

It's the ****ing camera pans where her ass dominates over half the screen.  Isn't it just *slightly* chauvinistic that we're zooming in on her lucious hiney while she's talking about her feelings, her thoughts, her concerns, etc? 

I don't care if you show it.  I do care when everytime I talk to her, her ass fills the screen.  It's like I'm talking to an ass and not a person.  In most cases, when there's a dialogue going on between characters in any other game/movie, you zoom and hold on their other set of cheeks.

I'm not saying, "Your a chauvinist for liking those Miranda ass shots," or even, "Bioware are chauvinists."  I am saying that it's kinda lame that it was put in the game just to induce fanboy ******.

She's the "perfect woman" - an operative. She's gonna use her looks as a weapon.

That's already established--Miranda, the femme fatale.  This is like, our very first impression of her.  The door opens, and you're like, "Oh a hot chic."  Then she caps that lying mother****er Wilson, and you're like, "Oh, a femme fatale."

Panoramic shots of her ass don't accomplish this as well as her opening the door, and shooting Wilson did in the beginning of the game.

Likewise,
Samara. Asari Justicar. They are a sensual people, let's face it. It makes sense that the paragon of Asari Culture looks both deadly and "sexy" (though I'd argue that Samara's face is just meh... but I'm not a fan of Asari) - it just makes sense.

Again, this is established without Samara's double-D's hanging out for someone to shoot.  We see asari being pole dancers, we see skimp outfits elsewhere (have you noticed how skimpy Aria's outfit is?).  The boops are just a blatant appeal to a manshow style mentality.  Which is a small segment of the playing population.

If you notice, the "sexuality" makes sense. We don't see Tali flaunting it.

Dem hips?

Hell, even Samara, with her boobs, doesn't "flaunt" it, they just "are."

I'm pretty sure IRL, if anyone wore something as low cut as that they could be objectively described as "flaunting it."  

How is Samara not "flaunting it."  I mean, I understand, if you got it, "flaunt it."  But I got the impression Samara's boopiture was less an expression of her own sexuality, and more of a design decision. 

I'm all for the sexual liberation of women, and I'm all for someone deriving a sense of empowerment from their bodacious rack.  But Samara's cleavage struck me more as like, "Oh crap, we've made this character who is essentially a sexless warrior monk, but we want her to be hot too.  So, cleavage!"

Like, Samara is a deep character.  She's forgone love and family because of her sense of dispair and guilt over something she has no control over -- the fact that she births Ardat Yashi.  There's a lot going on there.  Any potential romance between her and Shephard, which is hinted in ME2, should be a story of overcoming those feelings and her development as a character.

Instead, her boops are up in your face.

Hell,even in ME1 with the Matriarch. Yeah. Big rack. And? Who gives a crap? If anything, she looks more intimidating because of it, I think if she was fully covered up, she'd look less villainy.

I cared!  Matriarch Benezia's appearance was comical.  I literally could not take her seriously.  She'd start talking and I'd be like, "Good God... why is there so much cleavage?"

More intimidating because of it?  I wanted to put my head in between them, not cower in fear of them.  And there are plenty of villains who look perfectly evil fully clothed.  Benezia's ****** were ****** fanservice, again.

Skin is skin. People need to grow up, and appreciate that the human body is not taboo.  Is it annoying when people giggle like 5 year olds when they see a boob? Sure. But its also annoying (to me at least) at people being offended at them showing what every single person has. Private parts areonly called private parts because someone decided they had a mandate totell people what's decent/indecent.

See, this kind of argument is generally used to defend artistic expressions of nudity.  If we were talking about people giggling over the side boop in the ME1 sex scene, I would fully endorse your argument.

Instead we're talking about the rediculous hyper sexualized images of Samara and Miranda, which serves no artistic purpose other than to grab the attention of teenage men.

You know what, I'm not even cricizing the game for all of the above.  I understand and accept why this content is in the game.  But I am saying, let's not lie to ourselves here people.

Lets be honest about the calibur and intent of this content.  And then move on. 

Modifié par Uszi, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .

[lazuli]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

But they toned down the sex scenes.

I dunno about you but I thought Shep motorboating Miranda in the engine room was pretty rad.

Fair enough.  I was commenting on the complete lack of nudity in the ME2 sex scenes.  In some regards, though, they were certainly more involved than the ME1 sex scenes.

[Pwner1323]

lazuli wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

But they toned down the sex scenes.

I dunno about you but I thought Shep motorboating Miranda in the engine room was pretty rad.

Fair enough.  I was commenting on the complete lack of nudity in the ME2 sex scenes.  In some regards, though, they were certainly more involved than the ME1 sex scenes.

I think you people are forgetting Jackeline's everyday outfit......

[AlanC9]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

But they toned down the sex scenes.

I dunno about you but I thought Shep motorboating Miranda in the engine room was pretty rad.

Sure, but why is it the only two people on the ship with private cabins decide to use the engine room?

[sinosleep]

FlintlockJazz wrote...

The OPs name is Sten, are you going to argue with Sten?

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Nah, Sten is my boy. Before disproving myths about and defending ME 2 became my full time job it was defending Sten and the 2 hander warrior in general back when DA:O first came out. 

[Bullets McDeath]

AlanC9 wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

But they toned down the sex scenes.

I dunno about you but I thought Shep motorboating Miranda in the engine room was pretty rad.

Sure, but why is it the only two people on the ship with private cabins decide to use the engine room?

Well, that's the thrill of it, don't you see? I mean, sure, sneaking into the engine room, heavy risk... but the  

Sorry, I don't know what came over me there.

[Praetor Knight]

sinosleep wrote...

Uszi wrote...

Heh, I didn't know OP's could declare discussion over.  Most people want there threads to go on for as long as possible...

LMFAO, I had no idea what you were talking about cause I didn't see the modified OP until just now. Can't say I've ever seen anything quite like that on these boards.

I was on a thread recently that epically changed in a strange direction, it took me off-guard and then got rightfully closed.

Meh.

[sinosleep]

I'm glad I grew up buying comic books. I got over giving a crap about impractical outfits a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago.

Praetor Shepard wrote...
I was on a thread recently that epically changed in a strange direction, it took me off-guard and then got rightfully closed.

Meh.

Oh yeah, the thermal clip thread that morphed into a 3d tech thread 15 pages in? That was pretty ridiculous, lol.

Modifié par sinosleep, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:14 .

[slimgrin]

^ Not exactly a strong argument, sinosleep.

Btw, this should be linked to the realism topic in the DA forum.

Modifié par slimgrin, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:20 .

[sinosleep]

slimgrin wrote...

^ Not exactly a strong argument, sinosleep.

Btw, this should be linked to the realism topic in the DA forum.

It is what it is. 90% of women in comic books are wearing outfits that aren't remotely practical as well as being over sexualized, I got used to it and got over it and that experience makes it so that I'm less likely to care in other mediums. 

[Praetor Knight]

sinosleep wrote...

Oh yeah, the thermal clip thread that morphed into a 3d tech thread 15 pages in? That was pretty ridiculous, lol.

Yep that one

Regarding outfits I would like to see the squad use armor in combat but they could keep there current outfits, they fit their characters at least.

So my only nitpick is to have the squad use two outfits, one for casual and one for combat.



Edit: fixing quote

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 13 janvier 2011 - 05:26 .

[The Spamming Troll]

besides the fact that ME is an adult game with adult themes inteneded to be played by people mature enough to not giggle when the hear the word "penis."



but really, your crazy if you dont want TnA in a game like ME.

[GodWood]

The stupid sexualization of armors for no other reason other than "hurr its hawt" almost completely destroys the credibility of the game's universe that ME1 established.

Truly my most hated aspect of ME2.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

keldana wrote...

it´s a bit offtopic, but Neo using super-powers outside the matrix ???? Where has he done something like that ???

At the end of The Matrix Reloaded and several times in The Matrix Revolutions where it's explained (some what) as well.

[cachx]

GodWood wrote...
The stupid sexualization of armors for no other reason other than "hurr its hawt" almost completely destroys the credibility of the game's universe that ME1 established.

More than girls in pink armor?

Purely aesthetic choice, I don't really care either way. I would have appreciated more outfits, only for the sake of variety, I always tought that "loyalty outfits" being simple recolors was really lazy.

[GodWood]

cachx wrote...

GodWood wrote...
The stupid sexualization of armors for no other reason other than "hurr its hawt" almost completely destroys the credibility of the game's universe that ME1 established.

More than girls in pink armor?

Purely aesthetic choice, I don't really care either way. I would have appreciated more outfits, only for the sake of variety, I always tought that "loyalty outfits" being simple recolors was really lazy.

Funny thing, I remember back in the ME1 days people would complain about Ash's armor saying how stupid the pink is and how it serves no other purpose other than highlighting "look at me I'm a girl".
So what does Bioware do?
The ME2 armors. Stupid really.
At least in ME1 you could get rid of the pink armor almost immediately and never see it again.

[Amyntas]

Mass Effect is very sexual and it's part of the appeal. The outrage over outfits seems fake to me. It's not like Mass Effect has ever hidden that fact. There is a whole race of strippers...

[ShadyKat]

The only outfits in the game that were over done were

Miranda and Jack.

I can understand wanting to show off Jack's tattoos, but she should really of had more clothing on. Her leather jacket and shades outfit is much better.



Miranda's bodysuit was good old fashion overkill. I hand no problem with it being skin tight, but for god sakes why is her breast exposed in zero G? Also the excessive ass shots of her while talking to her was just plain silly.



Samara's also didn't need to show as much cleavage as it did. It really did not fit her character. She seemed a lot more reserved, and didn't seem like the type to go around flaunting her body.

[ObserverStatus]

Encarmine wrote...


would you rather these as your squad mates??



or

Neither, this

Modifié par bobobo878, 13 janvier 2011 - 07:09 .