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[LupusYondergirl]

OK, this is going to make me sound deviant, but I'm ok with writing sex until you start adding more people. Threesomes are tough. Keeping track of all those hands and so forth.

I've really gotten to like writing action and battle scenes, but I usually do them in 1st person or very close 3rd. It's easier if you're just seeing one character's view of the battlefield, instead of keeping track of what everyone's up to.

[Ardinal]

Have created the beta exchange program. Fingers crossed it will actually work.

http://social.biowar...7/index/5729144

Modifié par Ardinal, 15 janvier 2011 - 09:07 .

[Maria13]

Re sex has anyone noticed that all male hands are 'calloused' I am never going to have a 'calloused' hand in my sex scenes again...

And there is nothing half-way between the vulgar 'balls' and the over technical 'testicles'?

Good humorous website for sexual terms:home.epix.net/~jlferri/sexrom.html

Modifié par Maria13, 15 janvier 2011 - 10:49 .

[mousestalker]

Great find Maria13!



Battle scenes are tricky for me. I've written one I'm almost proud of. The only way I managed it was to stick strictly to one person's perspective. I mapped out what everyone was doing and then described it linearly based upon what he could see.



I've a battle scene coming up in my continuing story. I'm probably going to blow through it quickly and describe the aftermath rather than the thing itself.



It's funny, LupusYonderGirl's rule for sex can also be applied to violence. It certainly would make it easier to write about.



Florence King had a lot of very funny things to say about writing sex and porn. Including the problem of describing a same sex encounter (her advice: Have differing hair colours).

[Raonar]

Battle scenes are actually kind of important for me, mostly because a lot of elements and foreshadowing is done through them (like say, a blood mage does an insane blood sacrifice that should kill him, but survives long enough for Morrigan to do something to save him because he had entered a deal with a fade spirit that did not let him die easily until he fulfilled his end of the bargain... and so on).



That, and I actually like the duress and the opportunities for character bonding it brings (aww, you shielded me! *hugs* and all that).

[Maria13]

Fight scenes are quite difficult for me too, but I don't think I'm bad at them. I take a strategic approach what are the fighters' initial and mid-term objectives and how are they going to work to get that?  I get hubby to beta them because he does martial arts.

Like the bit about different colour hair...

Modifié par Maria13, 15 janvier 2011 - 11:43 .

[nos_astra]

My pet peeve is characterization. I get quickly irritated at characters that are inconsistent with the world they live in. With DAO I feel you have to struggle to create a half-OC/half-canon Warden that I would consider bearable.

I know one fic with the Warden as a main character that doesn't set off my Mary Sue alarm, so I prefer stories that have other main characters. I would recommend this for newcomers, write a one-shot and try to keep one of the wonderfully flawed DAO canon characters in character. And stay away from the Warden for now.

Modifié par klarabella, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:20 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Maria13 wrote...

Re sex has anyone noticed that all male hands are 'calloused' I am never going to have a 'calloused' hand in my sex scenes again...

And there is nothing half-way between the vulgar 'balls' and the over technical 'testicles'?

Good humorous website for sexual terms:home.epix.net/~jlferri/sexrom.html

I can think of several things, but, well, they wouldn't be much better than balls.  I just avoid specific terms in general, since no matter what I think of it's either too clinical, too crude, or too much an "Americanism."

Solution to the calloused hands dilemma?  Write about mages with their soft soft skin.  If anything, Maggie's probably a bit more rough around the edges than Anders.

Good link!  I got this book on a recommendation from someone on people of thedas and really liked it, too. 

mousestalker wrote...
Battle
scenes are tricky for me. I've written one I'm almost proud of. The only
way I managed it was to stick strictly to one person's perspective. I
mapped out what everyone was doing and then described it linearly based
upon what he could see.

I've a battle scene coming up in my
continuing story. I'm probably going to blow through it quickly and
describe the aftermath rather than the thing itself.

It's funny, LupusYonderGirl's rule for sex can also be applied to violence. It certainly would make it easier to write about.

Florence
King had a lot of very funny things to say about writing sex and porn.
Including the problem of describing a same sex encounter (her advice:
Have differing hair colours).

I do the same with battle scenes.  I'll sometimes mention something going on elsewhere, but only if it's caught the attention of whatever character I'm following.  I think this is probably my favorite battle scene I've ever written.  I avoid specific terms, though.  It's intentional.  I really don't know enough about sword combat to use them properly- and the game mechanics depict fighting styles never actually seen in real life, so there are no terms in some cases.  Plus, magic is a whole other no-real-world-analogue thing thrown into the mix.  So, nonspecific.

That's actually my rule for violence, not sex, but I suppose it could go both ways.  They're kind of similar.  Especially in my fic.  More hairpulling in sex, though.  And less beheadings.  I don't really have a rule for writing sex, just some things I prefer to do in my fic (which may not work for other people)... other than I avoid words like 'throbbing' and 'manhood' and anything purple prose-ish.  In fic I don't use much of anything, but for kmeme stuff I'll go crude before I go flowery. 

I generally try and make sure there's actually something happening that would get a woman off since, as I'm sure we all know, tab a into slot b is very rarely going to do the job on its own.  Which I guess makes my stuff dirtier than most from what I've been told, but, well... whatever.  If I'm going to write about people having sex I'm damn well going to make sure it's at least good sex!

I also like to give my characters kinks.  Nothing really out there, no "only gets off if she hits him with a frying pan while singing the national anthem" or anything.  Just minor things.  Into hair pulling, likes hearing someone say their name, slightly submissive, random normal things like that.  I don't even know if kink is the right term, really...preferences, maybe.  Although sometimes it plays into the greater relationship dynamics.  (example: Anders had a lot of inadequacy issues because he was involved with miss Hero of Ferelden/Warden Commander/Arlessa/his boss.  Which led to him becoming far more assertive than her in bed as a reaction to all that.)
It seems easier to write if I know specifically what they're into instead of just approaching it from the vague mindset of "have sex!"

The shame with the haircolor thing?   Anders: dark blonde.  Zevran: dark blonde.  Alistair: dark blonde.  Cullen: dark blonde (really- it's the same as Alistair's color in the toolset, it's just funky lighting in the circle of magi).
Ugh, can't someone just dye their hair brown?  Please?

Modifié par LupusYondergirl, 15 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .

[Maria13]

This a battle tournement scene I'm quite proud of two against three. www.fanfiction.net/s/6171946/2/The_Rain_in_Val_Royeaux  I wrote in the present tense in contrast to the rest of the story.

As for the balls thing, no there is no solution that I have found.   I'll see if I can get that book, there are several second hand copies available on Amazon over here. 

As for the kinks thing, yes, definitely.  Alistair, unsurprisingly, likes being called by his name and enjoys being reassured that his is loved.  He has also has a thing about one of the character's hair and enjoys kissing and foreplay... Another of my female characters cannot come through straightforward intercourse, so a way has to be found around that... Etc basically sex and fighting style are a reflection and an interesting one of a character's personality.

[tartmuse]

If you play with swords, bows, and weaponry your hands will be callused. To get around male callused hands... make your females have them too! Or wind bitten hands for mages, with dry, red knuckles. There has to be -some- sort of wind and weather back draft when casting spells out of your hands...

[Maria13]

Icey, yeah, I know that but instead I used rough and dry and cracked etc... It's just that calloused is used in almost every damn entry in the kink meme.

[mousestalker]

LupusYondergirl wrote...
The shame with the haircolor thing?   Anders: dark blonde.  Zevran: dark blonde.  Alistair: dark blonde.  Cullen: dark blonde (really- it's the same as Alistair's color in the toolset, it's just funky lighting in the circle of magi).
Ugh, can't someone just dye their hair brown?  Please?

So that Anders/Zevran/Alistair/Cullen fourway is probably a bad idea then?  :innocent:

[LupusYondergirl]

Don't tempt me!

[Maria13]

Well, you could refer to then as the mage/the assassin/the Grey Warden, almost Templar, King/Templar...

[maxernst]

Mahkara wrote...

inquartata02 wrote...

I can't write sex scenes because I can't stop giggling. Because, apparently, I'm twelve and just cannot keep a straight face.

Sex is really hard to write well.  Either sex or action is probably the hardest thing to write for *most* writers.

I have more trouble with sex since, yeah...giggling.  And there are just no good *words*.

Then again, my action scenes are sometimes confused with my sex scenes. Which is probably an epic!fail.

I have trouble writing both.  And your last comment reminds me of a friend of mine who was digging through a closet and found a poem that she had written when she was 12 or 13 in which a murder mwas described  in very sexually suggestive language--you know, "his sword thrust into her" sort of stuff.  She said she didn't think it was intentional.

[maxernst]

Maria13 wrote...

Well, you could refer to then as the mage/the assassin/the Grey Warden, almost Templar, King/Templar...

That sounds like the '80s film Insignificance in which the four main characters were The Senator, the Actress, the Scientist and the Ballplayer.

[Maria13]

Somebody's being really naughty here:

"Subject: Impossible Foursome
Cullen, Anders, Zevran and Alistair all share the same hair colour. A foursome with all of them would be so hot.

Please, prompt filler person, make it happen.

Steam somehow being involved would be a great added touch."

I like the addition of steam....

Modifié par Maria13, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:39 .

[Maria13]

Or it could be red hair [Cullen], golden hair [Alistair], long hair [Zev] and ponytail [Anders] see it ain't so difficult really!!!

Modifié par Maria13, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:40 .

[LupusYondergirl]

Wait, was that actually on kmeme?

Awesome.

(I swear I didn't post it, though. I'm not nearly a big enough fan of slash to attempt m/m/m/m)

[Maria13]

It was. I did not post it either...



Come out and confess whoever you are, we forgive you!

[inquartata02]

It wasn't me, but I find it pretty funny that someone did that.



Also, I'm still reading the giant list of rants that Corker linked to. They're pretty fantastic.

[WeRtheBrox]

To answer a question from the beginning of the thread...

Ardinal wrote...

Can you recommend any fanfiction writers that have gone on to become published authors?

I understand that the fanfic author known on FF.net as Arsinoe de Blassenville recently had a piece published in a fantasy anthology.  Her pieces on FF.net are great.


Regarding betas -- do betas just examine already-written material and provide feedback, or can they be someone to bounce ideas off of as well?  Or does it depend on who you find?


Oh, and inquartata02?

I can't write sex scenes because I can't stop giggling. Because, apparently, I'm twelve and just cannot keep a straight face.

You need to get over that right quick, because I agree with Oghren -- Malcolm and Líadan need to get to some serious boot-knocking.  Like now.  

[LupusYondergirl]

I think it varies. Some people bounce ideas off their betas, some people have betas who will comment on plot and pacing, and some just do grammar, spelling, and punctuation.

[noneko]

Ardinal wrote...

Can you recommend any fanfiction writers that have gone on to become published authors?

There are probably tons, but perhaps not many who would admit to it. Remember, even before ff.net, there were fanzines and the like.

Please don't follow the example of people like Cassandra Clare though.

[Ardinal]

 Calloused hands - ribbed for your pleasure!

TV Tropes refer to badly written sex scenes as IKEA Erotica. Was highly amused by the examples they have given including "I'M BLASTING." and "Shove your eggplant up to my ribcage!"

http://tvtropes.org/...ain/IKEAErotica

When I added a sex scene to my fanfic, I hoped to convey the idea that sex isn't always perfect. I can't take most porn seriously for the same reason... surely people don't talk to each other during sex like that right? o.0 

"Take that babe, yeah you totally want it!" If a dude spoke to me like that I would probably just roll around laughing hysterically, then possibly go and play some C.O.D. 

Modifié par Ardinal, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:33 .