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[Valo_Soren]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I do want multiplayer in ME3 /trollface.

Multiplayer. Would. Not. Effect. The. Single. Player. Campaign.

For the love of god, why would it? You people are being a bunch of big babies.

Seriously.

[Kusy]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I do want multiplayer in ME3 /trollface.

Multiplayer. Would. Not. Effect. The. Single. Player. Campaign.

For the love of god, why would it? You people are being a bunch of big babies.

Seriously.

Oh haha... why are you even quoting me. What in my post suggested that I don't relaise it most likely would be a whole nother gameplay mode separated from the campaing? Because otherwise it would be dumb.

[Valo_Soren]

It saddens me that people automatically start ****ing instead of giving a real reason as to why they don't think multiplayer is a good idea, I've not read any argument that is good enough to convince me that it isn't.

[Kusy]

Because it is.

[Cadaver19]

I would really like multiplayer, only so hopefully i can play a krogan and break faces, or a salarian infiltrator. Bioware is big enough to do it right. I will stand by whatever they choose to do.

[Lumikki]

Valo_Soren wrote...

..... I've not read any argument that is good enough to convince me that it isn't.

And no-one here ever will be, because nobody can't change someones opions as what they like.

[Kusy]

Lumikki wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

..... I've not read any argument that is good enough to convince me that it isn't.

And no-one here ever will be, because nobody can't change someones opions as what they like.

Incredible, you just denied the whole idea of discussion, compromise, consensus and negotiation.
As mentioned - you can change your opinion based on arguments from the other side. The other side can't present an argument that would make too much sense. That's why some people won't change their opinion... not because the powers that be forbid them.

[Valo_Soren]

INVAYNED wrote...

the true reason i dont want it to have any kind is....yes im afraid it will take away from single player campagin.it wouldnt make sense to me to install MP in me3 since it hasnt had any to begin with.If they made other type of MEU games and had MP in them i would not have a problem with it.this series started off SP i feel it should finish SP.the reason i love SP games is the story driving content and unique exp system.alot of MP games lack in that department,mmos are the exception but even then theyre still missing something...either way i want me3 to be sp.after that me can have much MP as the "gear fans" wants.because then ill probably wont be playing it.

See this argument doesn't make any sense to me. Just because there may be a multiplayer component doesn't mean it would affect or ruin the single player campaign in any way. Take Assassin's Creed brotherhood for example, that game has a very good MP component but still a very solid and epic Single player campaign that isn't really hurt by the MP component. Gears of War is another good example, they have incredible single player campaigns with deep story and a Multiplayer component that doesn't really ruin anything, Halo as well. there are a lot of games that have single player campaigns and mP components that do not ruin the SP campaign. And this is Bioware we are talking about not another game company. Bioware doesn't make a bad game. They will probably do it better then any of the above games I mentioned. You, and others act like the multiplayer is going to replace the single player campaign or something like thats all it's going to be, like an mmo or something but its not. They will still have the third act in the shepard story, that will most likely still be all single player and will be just as epic as mass effect 1 and mass effect 2. you don't have to play the mp component if you don't want to, you have the option of not playing it so why worry about it? 

[thegreateski]

Gears of War is another good example, they have incredible single player campaigns with deep story and a Multiplayer component that doesn't really ruin anything, Halo as well. there are a lot of games that have single player campaigns and mP components that do not ruin the SP campaign.

You just opened the ark of the covenant.

Nobody is going to come out of this conversation looking pretty.

Modifié par thegreateski, 21 janvier 2011 - 02:30 .

[Valo_Soren]

thegreateski wrote...

Gears of War is another good example, they have incredible single player campaigns with deep story and a Multiplayer component that doesn't really ruin anything, Halo as well. there are a lot of games that have single player campaigns and mP components that do not ruin the SP campaign.

You just opened the ark of the covenant.

Nobody is going to come out of this conversation looking pretty.

Why because I speak the truth? Gears of War 1 and 2 have epic single player campaigns, if people don't agree with me then....they are just digging for a reason to be oppose my view point. You cannot deny the success of GoW 1 and 2 that are lauded for both their single player and Multiplayer components and this is bioware, probably the greatest video game story tellers. All of their writing talents aren't going to suddenly disappear just because they decided to impliment a multiplayer component, they will still tell an epic mass effect story in the single player campaign, it will be just as good. They didn't suddenly all go mental.

[Lumikki]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

..... I've not read any argument that is good enough to convince me that it isn't.

And no-one here ever will be, because nobody can't change someones opions as what they like.

Incredible, you just denied the whole idea of discussion, compromise, consensus and negotiation.
As mentioned - you can change your opinion based on arguments from the other side. The other side can't present an argument that would make too much sense. That's why some people won't change their opinion... not because the powers that be forbid them.

You misunderstand what I sayed. You can change opinions, if it's based lack of knowledge, but you can't change what someone likes. Meaning if you like wine, you can't make someone unlike it as change they opinion as what they like. Meaning if you like something, it doesn't matter what I say to you, you will never stop liking it. So, what I posted was if someone doesn't see reason to change opinion, it's because they like something. Meaning they never change they liking, because it's not opinion of knowledge, it's opinion as what someone likes.

Meaning someone wants MP, it doesn't matter why others doesn't want MP or what they reasons are as long the one who likes gets what they want. That's why I comment it, because if someone says, haven't seen good enough reason, then they have allready made they mind about it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 21 janvier 2011 - 02:41 .

[Tony Gunslinger]

How multiplayer work in the context of ME? If it's vs., does that mean I get to pick one of 6 existing classes? If I'm a soldier, will I have adrenaline rush that slows down time? If I'm a vanguard, can I spam charge on you? If Im a biotic, does that mean once I get strip your defenses I can throw you like a ragdoll forever? It would have to be drastically changed to make it work. Not saying it's impossible, but the challenge would be to change it without making it a generic shooter, and yet keep the ME flavor somehow.

I can see a coop mission based spin-off that is completely independant of Shepard's story, but not player vs. player and certainly not in Shepard's story.

[Tesla17]

No, as a standalone spin off game, MP could work very well.



Just don't waste time attempting to implement a cut-down, uninteresting multiplayer component into a game that is obviously built to stand as exclusively single player. Too many games are attempting this and failing at it.



Assassin's Creed Brotherhood was the one anomaly where the gameplay was both derived from the single player portion yet didn't fell contrived and ill-formed. It was actually quite intuitive and fun

[Valo_Soren]

Tesla17 wrote...

No, as a standalone spin off game, MP could work very well.

Just don't waste time attempting to implement a cut-down, uninteresting multiplayer component into a game that is obviously built to stand as exclusively single player. Too many games are attempting this and failing at it.

Assassin's Creed Brotherhood was the one anomaly where the gameplay was both derived from the single player portion yet didn't fell contrived and ill-formed. It was actually quite intuitive and fun

I sound like a broken record but...put more faith in Bioware.

[Icinix]

Why I don't want multi-player in ME3 - Written by Icinix



Mass Effect is a story of one persons journey. Shepard. A journey with choices, decisions, moral dilemmas, romance or deciding to focus on the mission. Lengthy dialogue, buying dirty magazines on Omega, helping Quarians on their pilgrimages. It the story of how one person goes through the universe building and changing it as they see fit. It isn't a collection of pre-recorded scenes without choices, it requires one person to play through the game and make frequent choices that affect how the game plays out.

ME3 is going to be the culmination of two games worth of decisions of choices that for many have been carefully thought about and weighed up. How will that function with a multi-player element? How can that one player continue to run through lengthy dialogue scenes while someone else sits there and does nothing. What will the other player do when Shepard needs to spend a whole mission just trailing someone? Or listening to recorded journals to piece together the facts?

The Mass Effect games are not suitable for multi-player.

So the only way to have multi-player in ME3 would be some combat orientated individual missions outside of the single player game - and to that I bring up but a single argument - Pinnacle Station.

[Quole]

Pwner1323 wrote...


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Realist Gamer: I think multiplayer souds like a splendid idea for a series with so many royalties like BW's Mass 
                             Effect franchise.

Die Hard Fan: STFU NOOB! ME EAT U N KLL U!!!!!!!!

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this could easily be reversed.
Anyway, I think multiplayer would be good in a mass effect game, just not in the SHEPARD TRILOGY.

[Valo_Soren]

Icinix wrote...

Why I don't want multi-player in ME3 - Written by Icinix

Mass Effect is a story of one persons journey. Shepard. A journey with choices, decisions, moral dilemmas, romance or deciding to focus on the mission. Lengthy dialogue, buying dirty magazines on Omega, helping Quarians on their pilgrimages. It the story of how one person goes through the universe building and changing it as they see fit. It isn't a collection of pre-recorded scenes without choices, it requires one person to play through the game and make frequent choices that affect how the game plays out.
ME3 is going to be the culmination of two games worth of decisions of choices that for many have been carefully thought about and weighed up. How will that function with a multi-player element? How can that one player continue to run through lengthy dialogue scenes while someone else sits there and does nothing. What will the other player do when Shepard needs to spend a whole mission just trailing someone? Or listening to recorded journals to piece together the facts?
The Mass Effect games are not suitable for multi-player.
So the only way to have multi-player in ME3 would be some combat orientated individual missions outside of the single player game - and to that I bring up but a single argument - Pinnacle Station.

In all likelihood that is what Mass Effect 3's MP component will be, like I said most likely starring the freedom fighters in London fighting the reaper's. It likely won't have anything to do with the SP campaign.

[Icinix]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Why I don't want multi-player in ME3 - Written by Icinix

Mass Effect is a story of one persons journey. Shepard. A journey with choices, decisions, moral dilemmas, romance or deciding to focus on the mission. Lengthy dialogue, buying dirty magazines on Omega, helping Quarians on their pilgrimages. It the story of how one person goes through the universe building and changing it as they see fit. It isn't a collection of pre-recorded scenes without choices, it requires one person to play through the game and make frequent choices that affect how the game plays out.
ME3 is going to be the culmination of two games worth of decisions of choices that for many have been carefully thought about and weighed up. How will that function with a multi-player element? How can that one player continue to run through lengthy dialogue scenes while someone else sits there and does nothing. What will the other player do when Shepard needs to spend a whole mission just trailing someone? Or listening to recorded journals to piece together the facts?
The Mass Effect games are not suitable for multi-player.
So the only way to have multi-player in ME3 would be some combat orientated individual missions outside of the single player game - and to that I bring up but a single argument - Pinnacle Station.

In all likelihood that is what Mass Effect 3's MP component will be, like I said most likely starring the freedom fighters in London fighting the reaper's. It likely won't have anything to do with the SP campaign.

The problem with that, is after all is said and done, the combat in Mass Effect is still quite some way off of dedicated shooters.  If it was a pinnacle station style multi-player scenario it would really showcase the flaws and bring out the weaknesses in combat.  If it goes more for a GOW style with mini-story focused based missions then it comes back to the argument that they're taking away development funding / resources and time from the single player element.  There doesn't appear to be a good way for them touching multi-player at this time.  Better to leave it out than risk getting dirt in the Mass Effect waters.  At least for ME3.
And hey, don't get me wrong, I'd love Multi-player elements in the Mass Effect universe - I want the whole shebang, I want 4x, I want Privateer clones, I want RTS - Actually on that, look what happened with the command and conquer series, they begun to focus on the multi-player and completely destroyed the single player.  If it had been a spin off rather than sticking the name C&C4 to it, it's probably fair to speculate the result could have been much different.

Modifié par Icinix, 21 janvier 2011 - 03:07 .

[Valo_Soren]

Icinix wrote...

Valo_Soren wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Why I don't want multi-player in ME3 - Written by Icinix

Mass Effect is a story of one persons journey. Shepard. A journey with choices, decisions, moral dilemmas, romance or deciding to focus on the mission. Lengthy dialogue, buying dirty magazines on Omega, helping Quarians on their pilgrimages. It the story of how one person goes through the universe building and changing it as they see fit. It isn't a collection of pre-recorded scenes without choices, it requires one person to play through the game and make frequent choices that affect how the game plays out.
ME3 is going to be the culmination of two games worth of decisions of choices that for many have been carefully thought about and weighed up. How will that function with a multi-player element? How can that one player continue to run through lengthy dialogue scenes while someone else sits there and does nothing. What will the other player do when Shepard needs to spend a whole mission just trailing someone? Or listening to recorded journals to piece together the facts?
The Mass Effect games are not suitable for multi-player.
So the only way to have multi-player in ME3 would be some combat orientated individual missions outside of the single player game - and to that I bring up but a single argument - Pinnacle Station.

In all likelihood that is what Mass Effect 3's MP component will be, like I said most likely starring the freedom fighters in London fighting the reaper's. It likely won't have anything to do with the SP campaign.

The problem with that, is after all is said and done, the combat in Mass Effect is still quite some way off of dedicated shooters.  If it was a pinnacle station style multi-player scenario it would really showcase the flaws and bring out the weaknesses in combat.  If it goes more for a GOW style with mini-story focused based missions then it comes back to the argument that they're taking away development funding / resources and time from the single player element.

See that's a load of crap. This is Bioware we are talking about they aren't going to suddenly skimp on the single player story of shepard regardless of any multiplayer component. Why is everyone assuming that Bioware suddenly lost their minds? THey havne't failed us before they aren't about to start. That's an idiotic argument at best.

[Icinix]

^.-



Really? If resources are being allocated to another area outside of Single Player, if funding is going to another area other than Single Player, guess what? Then thats allocation of resources that could have gone to Single Player. Saying it isn't is an even more idiotic argument. :-P

Besides it's only one part of the reasons why NOT to try for Multi-player in ME3. It isn't the be all and end all of reasons.

[Valo_Soren]

Icinix wrote...

^.-

Really? If resources are being allocated to another area outside of Single Player, if funding is going to another area other than Single Player, guess what? Then thats allocation of resources that could have gone to Single Player. Saying it isn't is an even more idiotic argument. :-P
Besides it's only one part of the reasons why NOT to try for Multi-player in ME3. It isn't the be all and end all of reasons.

Why this is an idiotic argument is because one. Bioware has made a ****load of money off dragon age and mass effect 1 and 2. Two, they will likely hire a whole department dedicated to developing the multiplayer component while the original team focuses on the single player campaign, I highly doubt they would split the team to do so they have the money and funds to make it all work.

Your argument is asenine and doesn't make any logical sense.

[Icinix]

You've come here for an argument haven't you?

[Rockworm503]

PHub88 wrote...

Every game with multiplayer comes at the expense of the single player...Mass Effect has always been a single player game, this is the last installment...So we INSTEAD of going the extra mile with quests and story...we should RUIN it by adding in some lame dull Husks horde?

Why should anyone believe Bioware can pull it off when every single other game out there with multiplayer HASNT pulled it off?...and freaking Bioware makes single player games...So we should expect them to make a multiplayer component too? and have it not impact the SP? Thats unlogical and it makes no sense...it will ABSOLUTELY come at the expense of the single player story...and for crying out loud its the last one...this is whats so ridiculous about this entire thing..its the LAST ONE and you have people hoping they take away from it so they can play some repetitive multiplayer that just about every single other game already has for them to enjoy...leave ME alone god.

Anyone who doesnt get that, doesnt care about the story. I am not going to pretend for a SECOND that %98 of games with multiplayer in them dont automatically ruin the single player part, because they DO..if you dont realize this...open your EYES

Red Dead Remption... Had a great singleplayer campaign, was long, and the story didn't suffer because of MP... Hell the MP is fun too!!
OH wait ALL games suffer when MP is added to it so I guess RDR doesn't exist or something.

Sorry couldn't help it but I just don't get why people think they have to have Multiplayer in every freaking game.  Some reviewers give game a bad score becuz it donut have coop

[Valo_Soren]

Icinix wrote...

You've come here for an argument haven't you?

No I'm just tired of people ****ing about things when: 

1. There's not enough information on whether or not their will even be an MP component.
2. A lot of people really have no clue what they are even talking about and sound like a bunch of whiny selfish fans.
3. People like you recycle tired old arguments that have been proven wrong by several games in the past.

And that's about it.