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[Erode_The_Soul]

Daewan wrote...

So, is there a thread on the Steam forums
with people asking Valve why they couldn't come to terms with EA before
the SE offer expired? Were there people on the Steam forums three
months ago begging Valve/Steam not to betray their loyal, diehard fans?
And if not, why not?

I don't frequent the Steam forums, but after Chris locked the last thread, I made my way over there. There are several threads discussing this topic, but most are focused on the actions of Bioware and EA, not Valve or Steam.

If I had to guess why that is, it would boil down to reputation. Steam, in general, has a reputation of taking good care of it's customers. EA, however, has a reputation that is....less kind, to put it mildly.  When I saw the game pop up mere hours after the SE deal ended, I assumed it was something nefarious on behalf of EA, not Steam.

No one here (other than the mods, of course) know what the case truly is, but I can't change my gut feeling about it. That doesn't mean I'm going to take up a torch or pitchfork in protest or boycott Bioware forever ; I'll just be a bit wary when dealing with them in the future. *shrug*

[Daewan]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

Daewan wrote...

So, is there a thread on the Steam forums with people asking Valve why they couldn't come to terms with EA before the SE offer expired? Were there people on the Steam forums three months ago begging Valve/Steam not to betray their loyal, diehard fans? And if not, why not?

I am under the assumption until proven otherwise that the pricing is determined by the publisher. Therefore with that major stipulation being said I am sure they are also responsible for whether or not the product is released.

Their were several threads on the steam forums asking if it was to be released, everyone was pointed to these forums instead.

Of the threads on the Steam forums that I have seen, not a single one has a developer response.  So, even though the EA/BioWare developers and suits came here and posted to clarify the situation repeatedly, explaining that Valve and EA couldn't come to an agreement before the release date - meaning that EA actually did try to work it out, and Valve refused the offer even though multiple other digital distribution sites agreed - people still want to blame EA/BioWare for all of this.  No one wants to even consider that Valve might possibly have had some chance to make this happen, and refused to come to terms, even though they knew that people were interested in this option.  While I'm sure EA was trying to protect their profit margin, Valve still needs to shoulder some of this blame.  They dicked over their current customers just as much as EA did their possible future customers.

Disclaimer: I pre-ordered months ago from Amazon because I like physical property.  I also use Steam quite frequently because I'm addicted to gaming.

[TJPags]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

MassFrost wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

You are not at all offering a solution to the problem that still remains, I do thank Fernando who was very helpful however.

What problem? That you had several months to find another retailer from which to purchase the SE, and instead procrastinated hoping for it to appear on Steam when BioWare never gave any indication that it would in time for the SE offer?

Sounds to me like you have no one to blame but yourself.

I did not procrastinate at all, I waited specifically for it to be released on Steam. 

Yet it was repeatedly said for months that the SE wasn't being released on Steam.

At least there's another thread to amuse me. 

On another note:

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

...when did failing to release the SE on one digital distribution medium constitute a betrayal of trust? Guess I missed the bit where BioWare promised universal release of the SE on all distribution mediums, puppies, and tiaras for everyone.

Drat.

Can I have my puppy now? 

[Morroian]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Myself mostly,  I don't have this whole costumer loyality thing.  I buy from where its convient/cheaper/etc.  I don't quite understand why you have to buy from steam?  Do you get bonuses for doing so..?  Or is it just out of simple devotion,  I can respect both...  but I also think its silly to complain when you could easily rectify the problem by getting the game from another distributor.

This. I prefer Steam where possible and indeed have not been inclined to look elsewhere for a long time now, but DA2 SE not being on Steam forced me to look for the best price which was a lot lower than it would have been on Steam. Now I will be more inclined to shop around on new games. No-one should be wedded to 1 platform. 

Modifié par Morroian, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:56 .

[TheMadCat]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Where the have you been? Steam has got by far the most annoying loyalist and appologists around the net.

Modifié par TheMadCat, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:57 .

[Uzzy]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

Myself mostly,  I don't have this whole costumer loyality thing.  I buy from where its convient/cheaper/etc.  I don't quite understand why you have to buy from steam?  Do you get bonuses for doing so..?  Or is it just out of simple devotion,  I can respect both...  but I also think its silly to complain when you could easily rectify the problem by getting the game from another distributor.

It is possible that the people who wanted to pre-order from Steam wanted to do so because they trust the service and feel it's a reliable one, as opposed to the other DD services out there. There have also been a few people on here talking about how they couldn't pre-order on other services due to region issues.

[Erode_The_Soul]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Myself mostly,  I don't have this whole costumer loyality thing.  I buy from where its convient/cheaper/etc.  I don't quite understand why you have to buy from steam?  Do you get bonuses for doing so..?  Or is it just out of simple
devotion,  I can respect both...  but I also think its silly to complain when you could easily rectify the problem by getting the game from another distributor.

For me, it's just a preference. I prefer Steam and it's as simple as that. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png


I'm sure other online retailers are fine and dandy (as are actual stores), and there's absolultely nothing wrong with going to them but, as I said before: I like Steam, I trust Steam, I prefer Steam. I don't think I've purchased a game with an actual disc in years. 

There were other options and I understood that. I had no problem letting go of the SE bonuses in hopes that the standard edition would find it's way to Steam. The issue for me is just how quickly that actually happened. The fact that it popped up mere hours after the deal makes me quesiton motives. I'm not suggesting conspiracies here, I just find the timing a bit suspect. As a result, I'm a bit miffed.

EDIT: formatting

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:03 .

[Rage.Shifter]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

Myself mostly,  I don't have this whole costumer loyality thing.  I buy from where its convient/cheaper/etc.  I don't quite understand why you have to buy from steam?  Do you get bonuses for doing so..?  Or is it just out of simple devotion,  I can respect both...  but I also think its silly to complain when you could easily rectify the problem by getting the game from another distributor.

When another distributor provides the services steam provides then yes I may consider it but I seriously doubt there will be a serious contender for a long time. I was able to purchase Mass Effect 2 SE on steam Dragon Age Origins SE on steam. So I am a little confused here as to why Dragon Age 2 SE was not.

I am devoted to there platform because they provide me with services that cannot be found anywhere else. A friends list I can communicate and talk to while I am playing in game, I can share with my friends what part of the game I am in, I have achievements. I can install the game and if I rebuild my computer which I do often because I upgrade my hardware I do not worry about licensing issues.

So yeah I am upset that it was not offered on steam, many others are as well. For their incompetence sales will suffer as we have voiced coming to these forums. I am sure the numbers will prove it and there are a lot of RPG games being released this year that I can spend my money on instead.

[pkmn]

The only way something like Steam works is if everybody commonly uses one service to keep track of friends, achievements, etc.



The problem is nobody can accept that Valve thought of the idea first, so everybody (Direct2Drive/GameSpy, EA, GFWL) is trying to undermine Steam and start their own digital content service, while not completely shutting out Steam since that would translate into lost sales.



They're actively holding PC gaming back as an artform because they can't stand to have another company at the forefront.

[AzzX]

In comparison to others, Steam is not just a service but a complete gaming platform.



Friends, Recommendation system, Steamworks, modding community support, and being an Aussie we get local quota free downloads - something the "other" services do not offer.



Why would I buy the game elsewhere?



I also do not buy physical retail if I can help it.



Will buy sometime next year after finishing Divinity 2 and The Witcher.

[Sable Rhapsody]

Rage.Shifter wrote...
I am devoted to there platform because they provide me with services that cannot be found anywhere else. A friends list I can communicate and talk to while I am playing in game, I can share with my friends what part of the game I am in, I have achievements. I can install the game and if I rebuild my computer which I do often because I upgrade my hardware I do not worry about licensing issues.

So yeah I am upset that it was not offered on steam, many others are as well. For their incompetence sales will suffer as we have voiced coming to these forums. I am sure the numbers will prove it and there are a lot of RPG games being released this year that I can spend my money on instead.

OK.  Let's put things in perspective here.  The ONLY thing Steam is missing out on is the SE edition of DA2.  The normal version, with all of its preorder bonuses, is available on Steam.  Something tells me BioWare's not going to go bankrupt because they missed out on one game edition on one distributor for one platform.

I use Steam and I love it.  But I never took it for granted that just because Steam's the largest digital distribution medium, every game published for PC was OBLIGATED to be on Steam.  I don't remember that being in the EULA for Steam, and I don't remember any dev ever making a promise like that.  Expecting every dev to release every version of every PC game on Steam just because *most* games are is like expecting console exclusives to turn up on Steam because it's that special of a pretty princess or something.  

...anyway, tiaras are maybe in the mail.  Not puppies, though.  They tend to chew through the boxes, and then everyone gets all UPSET.

[Dendens]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Myself mostly,  I don't have this whole costumer loyality thing.  I buy from where its convient/cheaper/etc.  I don't quite understand why you have to buy from steam?  Do you get bonuses for doing so..?  Or is it just out of simple
devotion,  I can respect both...  but I also think its silly to complain when you could easily rectify the problem by getting the game from another distributor.

For me, it's just a preference. I prefer Steam and it's as simple as that. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png


I'm sure other online retailers are fine and dandy (as are actual stores), and there's absolultely nothing wrong with going to them but, as I said before: I like Steam, I trust Steam, I prefer Steam. I don't think I've purchased a game with an actual disc in years. 

There were other options and I understood that. I had no problem letting go of the SE bonuses in hopes that the standard edition would find it's way to Steam. The issue for me is just how quickly that actually happened. The fact that it popped up mere hours after the deal makes me quesiton motives. I'm not suggesting conspiracies here, I just find the timing a bit suspect. As a result, I'm a bit miffed.

EDIT: formatting

Well obviously they weren't striking deals up at midnight. They would have had a seperate contract for the Standard edition that they could agree on, and a seperate contract for the Signature Edition that they couldn't agree on. So as soon as the Signature deal was over, they put the Standard edition on steam.

[BTCentral]

I'm a Steam user, infact I purchased 17 games from them during the holiday promotions... though did I mind that DA2 SE was not available on Steam? No. Do I feel the need to buy every single game on Steam? No.

Had I waited and just purchased the regular edition from Steam, it would have cost me more than the Signature Edition did, so I would have lost out twice.

Steam is all well and good, but it does have its pitfalls too.

For example: I recently pre-ordered a "retail" game, and it arrived a day early, fantastic I think, chuck in the DVD go to install it... "no, you can not do this, it has not been released yet!". (Ok, not quite that wording, but you get the idea).

Again, automatic patching is all well and good, but what if a patch introduces a new bug? How do you downgrade? You can't.

Anyway, the point I am making is Steam is a very good platform, but it has it's pitfalls like everything else.
Yes, the SE was not available on Steam, but moaning about it endlessly is not going to do anything about it.

At the end of the day, no matter what you may or may not think - no one has any proof if it was EA/BioWare's fault it didn't get there or if it was Valve's and there is very little point in speculation - it's not going to change anything.

Modifié par BTCentral, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:27 .

[Morroian]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

There were other options and I understood that. I had no problem letting go of the SE bonuses in hopes that the standard edition would find it's way to Steam. The issue for me is just how quickly that actually happened. The fact that it popped up mere hours after the deal makes me quesiton motives. 

Its quite likely that all that happened was that negotiations for the SE broke down at some point late last year and it was too late to get the SE on Steam so they then moved to new negotiate a new agreement for the standard edition to be effective 12th January. No Conspiracy required.

[AntiChri5]

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

Awwww, and i suppose they are all going to beat me up for disagreeing?

Piece of advice mate, don't be so eager to make yourself a corporations ****. Prefer them all you like, but if something else has a better offer then go to them.

[Erode_The_Soul]

Morroian wrote...

Its quite likely that all that happened was that negotiations for the SE broke down at some point late last year and it was too late to get the SE on Steam so they then moved to new negotiate a new agreement for the standard edition to be effective 12th January. No Conspiracy required.

Exacly. And it could have happened that way and that's fine. Like I said, I'm not looking for a conspiracy theory.  I just found the timing a bit suspect. I don't know all the "goings on" of such things so I don't think it's too outlandish to be a bit offput by the timing.

I'm not angry, just disappointed. I'll deal and move on, or get Sebastion some other way. And now I can wait and see a bit more PC gameplay before commiting myself to a purchase.

EDIT: And by "some other way", I meant bribing my friend who pre-ordered from Gamestop for his code. Nothing nefarious as that phrase implied

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:33 .

[AntiChri5]

Can't you just buy Sebastian?

[Rage.Shifter]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

Awwww, and i suppose they are all going to beat me up for disagreeing?
Piece of advice mate, don't be so eager to make yourself a corporations ****. Prefer them all you like, but if something else has a better offer then go to them.

No sorry I am not in to E-thugging, please take your negativity elsewhere I am stating facts. Yes the better offer for me would of been the SE on steam, the extra dollars don't mean much to me.

Thanks

[Erode_The_Soul]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Can't you just buy Sebastian?

Yes, that's plan B, I suppose. He's easily bribed with tasty treats, though, and I can cook those and save myself $7.

[AntiChri5]

No sorry I am not in to E-thugging, please take your negativity elsewhere I am stating facts. Yes the better offer for me would of been the SE on steam, the extra dollars don't mean much to me.

Ah yes, we shouldn't be negative now, should we?

And what facts? All you have done is the usual preposterous demands to be pampered and threats of boycott simply because they did not offer a specific version of the game at your retailer of choice.



I find anyone being so obsessively attached to a retailer more then a little frightening.

[marshalleck]

I wanted to get DA2 SE on Steam as much as anyone else, but when Priestly was still locking down all discussion of Steam and saying they had no information to relate about it just a few days before the deadline, it seemed obvious to me that the SE upgrade was not going to be made available so I pre-ordered from the next best retailer I have experience with, Amazon.

This situation was utterly predictable. I'm not at all surprised that Bioware specifically chose not to extend the SE upgrade offer to Steam users, but didn't want to lock them out entirely since that would have badly impacted their sales.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:06 .

[Zhijn]

Am i missing something.

Are the exstra character from SE not going to be available to the public to purchase on release?.

Dosnt sound like BioWare would exclude something like a hole character just for some pre-order stuff. Unless im misinformed?.

Modifié par Zhijn, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:11 .

[TJPags]

Zhijn wrote...

Am i missing something.

Are the exstra character from SE not going to be available to the public to purchase on release?.

Dosnt sound like BioWare would exclude something like a hole character just for some pre-order stuff. Unless im misinformed?.

The character is available to all as DLC for $7.

[Zhijn]

TJPags wrote...

Zhijn wrote...

Am i missing something.

Are the exstra character from SE not going to be available to the public to purchase on release?.

Dosnt sound like BioWare would exclude something like a hole character just for some pre-order stuff. Unless im misinformed?.

The character is available to all as DLC for $7.

Ah that is what i thought. Still good to get it confirmed.

Well, that is all. Cheers. =)

[Ortaya Alevli]

Could someone please provide a link to wherever BioWare promised releasing SE on Steam? Thanks in advance.