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[Coyote Hunter]

It's hard to separate how much I love the creative minds at BioWare from how much this move annoys me.



I trust Steam because they have good and reliable service, great customer service policies, and regularly have reasonable and excellent price breaks - which have turned a lot of gamers from piracy and improved the digital distribution environment. Unlike others, they seem like they are an ethical and honest business from my perspective. I really respect what they've done for PC gamers, and their community is easily the strongest ones out there because so many other people do, too. I also like using Steam as a hub for all of my games. Hopefully they will do that thing where you can get a digital copy from their service if you have a valid product key, even if its from GameStop or D2D or whatever - another perk of being a loyal Steam user. For all those reasons, I'm usually willing to spend an extra $5 or $10 on a game to buy it on Steam rather than other less scrupulous retailers, such as GameStop, but not if I have to spend that extra $5 or $10 thanks to unfair, uncompetitive business practices.



Being forced to buy the signature edition from another retailer due to what seems like an discriminatory sales policy really has me wondering if I should buy any more BioWare games new instead of used, or at end of life. If I do commit to my signature edition pre-order, I'm just encouraging and even rewarding bad behavior in the marketplace. There's a fair and honorable way do business, and then there's this.



I loved Dragon Age, and I've played it start to finish at least four times, but DA2 could be the last BioWare game I ever buy new. If this kind of policy keeps up, ME3 will be a Gamefly rental for me, and I'm sure I'll still shake my head and remember this when the KOTOR MMO comes out. That really saddens me because of how much I've loved BioWare games in the past - it's like downgrading my best friend to casual buddy.

[Myounage]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, we sacrifice hamburgers to Gabe.

[FirstCitizen800]

So, if I buy it on Steam, can I go back latter buy the signature edition character n stuff? I don't want to loose content, but I'd pay more just for a Steam copy.

Modifié par FirstCitizen800, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:45 .

[Morroian]

FirstCitizen800 wrote...

So, if I buy it on Steam, can I go back latter buy the signature edition character n stuff?

Yes

[Morroian]

Coyote Hunter wrote...

Being forced to buy the signature edition from another retailer due to what seems like an discriminatory sales policy really has me wondering if I should buy any more BioWare games new instead of used, or at end of life. If I do commit to my signature edition pre-order, I'm just encouraging and even rewarding bad behavior in the marketplace. There's a fair and honorable way do business, and then there's this.

There's what? You're making assumptions about what happened based on conspiracy theories and no evidence.

[Shiratori]

Morroian wrote...

FirstCitizen800 wrote...

So, if I buy it on Steam, can I go back latter buy the signature edition character n stuff?

Yes

Mostly.  The character and soundtrack can be purchased.  The extra items that came in the armory, appears not to be purchasable.  The other items you can get by pre-ordering and getting the game new (Fadeshear, Lion of Orlais, Black Emporium) would be free as well if you pre-ordered it on Steam.

[BurtonSD]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

The majority who were smart enough to get their SE somewhere else, rather than act like stubborn people with the "Steam or bust" mentality.

Oh snap.

And no I'm not a troll, i'm telling it like it is. You guys had other resources to get it but you refused to use them. Wanna yell at someone, yell at yourself.

[Veex]

The only thing that confuses me about the Steam threads thus far is the mudslinging at BioWare and EA for being money hungry. Were they in it for the quick buck, wouldn't they have done everything possible to offer the Signature Edition on the largest digital retailer?



Whatever the issue was, I'm not sure Valve is beyond reproach in this circumstance.

[generalkorrd]

Doesnt steam allow you to add games that were bought elsewhere to the service? I seem to remember a button like that in my steam client. If so, your whining is even more pathetic, you could have bought elsewhere and add it in later, and had 3ish months to do so.

OP, you fail

Modifié par generalkorrd, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:02 .

[generalkorrd]

Another thought, some people seem to think EA/Bioware is being money hungry and that caused the problem. Has anybody thought that it may be Valve who wanted to get more money for the SE, and EA wouldnt let them?

[Morroian]

generalkorrd wrote...

Doesnt steam allow you to add games that were bought elsewhere to the service? I seem to remember a button like that in my steam client. If so, your whining is even more pathetic, you could have bought elsewhere and add it in later, and had 3ish months to do so.

I might be wrong but I don't think this can be done with just any game. I think you can add a shortcut for all games to Steam but for full support as in patching and downloading there needs to be specific support for that.

[Solid N7]

the point here is that EA hate steam not bioware

[MassFrost]

Solid N7 wrote...

the point here is that EA hate steam not bioware

And everyone is so sure that EA/BioWare is to blame for the lack of SE on Steam? It would appear more to me that Valve was the one at fault for not finalizing a deal with EA to offer the SE, seeing as how every other digital retailer managed to get it up for sale (for months, I might add).

[Erode_The_Soul]

Morroian wrote...

generalkorrd wrote...

Doesnt steam allow you to add games that were bought elsewhere to the service? I seem to remember a button like that in my steam client. If so, your whining is even more pathetic, you could have bought elsewhere and add it in later, and had 3ish months to do so.

I might be wrong but I don't think this can be done with just any game. I think you can add a shortcut for all games to Steam but for full support as in patching and downloading there needs to be specific support for that.

It's been a while since this has been an issue for me, but if I remember correctly, you are right. For a few games, you can use a CD code and tie that game to your Steam account, thus recieving auto updates and elimintating the need for the disc. For the most part, though, you're basically just adding a shortcut to your "My Games" list.

[Rage.Shifter]

BurtonSD wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

The majority who were smart enough to get their SE somewhere else, rather than act like stubborn people with the "Steam or bust" mentality.

Oh snap.

And no I'm not a troll, i'm telling it like it is. You guys had other resources to get it but you refused to use them. Wanna yell at someone, yell at yourself.

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

As of 2010, there are over 1,400 games available through Steam,[4] and over 30 million active user accounts.[5] Although Valve never releases sales figures, Steam is estimated to have a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[6]

[Lord_Saulot]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

Lord_Saulot wrote...

It is justified to lock those threads because there was already a thread for the subject and forum rules don't allow starting new threads for a subject when there is already a thread where people are discussing it. It is the same policy Bioware has been following on this forum as long as I can recall.

It doesn't help that every thread is locked, I am sure we could of at least hit 50 pages by now if each steam thread wasn't locked on purpose.

I have to make an apology.  When I posted, I didn't realize that the main thread about the game coming out on Steam was no longer active.  So my response in this thread may have been misleading.  Sorry about that.

[MassFrost]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

BurtonSD wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

The majority who were smart enough to get their SE somewhere else, rather than act like stubborn people with the "Steam or bust" mentality.

Oh snap.

And no I'm not a troll, i'm telling it like it is. You guys had other resources to get it but you refused to use them. Wanna yell at someone, yell at yourself.

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

As of 2010, there are over 1,400 games available through Steam,[4] and over 30 million active user accounts.[5] Although Valve never releases sales figures, Steam is estimated to have a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[6]

And you're assuming EA/BioWare is at fault for the lack of SE on Steam, just like you assumed that the SE would at some point be available on Steam despite BioWare never making any sort of indication that it would, and now you're left without.

[Veex]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

Again, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around people believing EA would voluntarily throw away an opportunity to put their SE on the largest digital retailer. Are you sure your anger is being vented at the appropriate company here Rage.Shifter?

[Lord_Saulot]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

BurtonSD wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

The majority who were smart enough to get their SE somewhere else, rather than act like stubborn people with the "Steam or bust" mentality.

Oh snap.

And no I'm not a troll, i'm telling it like it is. You guys had other resources to get it but you refused to use them. Wanna yell at someone, yell at yourself.

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

As of 2010, there are over 1,400 games available through Steam,[4] and over 30 million active user accounts.[5] Although Valve never releases sales figures, Steam is estimated to have a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[6]

If you and I are aware of that, then so are EA's marketing guys.  That is why I don't believe the theory that EA purposefully excluded Steam.  Bioware's employees have stated that the companies couldn't come to a deal on time.  As unfortunate as that is, it happens in business all the time, and it is more plausible in my opinion.  In this negotiation, Valve's market share in the digital distribution market probably gave them more clout than EA had, since EA would not seriously consider pulling their games from Steam.  Even with DA2, it was only the Signature Edition promotion that was not offered, but the game itself is still offered, suggesing that EA was perfectly eager to get the game onto Steam.

[Kidd]

This thread depresses me every time I read it. Not because of anything that has to do with Steam, nor the negativity found inside it. But every time I read it, my mind starts racing after seeing "DA2 finally released" ^^ Sure it only takes like 1/10sec to realise it hasn't been released and shipped yet, but my poor head... ^^

[Coyote Hunter]

Morroian wrote...

Coyote Hunter wrote...

Being forced to buy the signature edition from another retailer due to what seems like an discriminatory sales policy really has me wondering if I should buy any more BioWare games new instead of used, or at end of life. If I do commit to my signature edition pre-order, I'm just encouraging and even rewarding bad behavior in the marketplace. There's a fair and honorable way do business, and then there's this.

There's what? You're making assumptions about what happened based on conspiracy theories and no evidence.

I don't agree with that.  The reality of the situation is that there's one large venue that just now has an inferior version of the product for sale at the same price as what was available for months at several other large major venues with additional content.  I didn't imply there's a conspiracy, the major players have made it clear that the reason for this situation is that negotiations broke down.  The people who are at a disadvantage in this situation are those who trust Steam to treat their customers better than the other retailers who did get the signature edition deal, like GameStop or Best Buy.

[generalkorrd]

Coyote Hunter wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Coyote Hunter wrote...

Being forced to buy the signature edition from another retailer due to what seems like an discriminatory sales policy really has me wondering if I should buy any more BioWare games new instead of used, or at end of life. If I do commit to my signature edition pre-order, I'm just encouraging and even rewarding bad behavior in the marketplace. There's a fair and honorable way do business, and then there's this.

There's what? You're making assumptions about what happened based on conspiracy theories and no evidence.

I don't agree with that.  The reality of the situation is that there's one large venue that just now has an inferior version of the product for sale at the same price as what was available for months at several other large major venues with additional content.  I didn't imply there's a conspiracy, the major players have made it clear that the reason for this situation is that negotiations broke down.  The people who are at a disadvantage in this situation are those who trust Steam to treat their customers better than the other retailers who did get the signature edition deal, like GameStop or Best Buy.

I'm just wondering how well you want to be treated? It's a video game, you go in the store, lay down the money, walk out with game, install on comp and play. Rinse and repeat as needed.

You people had 3 months or so to make up your mind. If I were in that dilemma, and wanted it through steam, but it wasnt offered I would wait till the last minute. Which would have been when they put up the thread saying "5 days left!". Then I would have made my purchase elsewhere if I wanted it bad enough. You KNEW that the SE was a bonus that would expire Jan 11 2011. You knew that after that point, it would be the regular version for the same price. It was posted conspicuously enough on this forum and any where that the game is sold. You didnt make the time cutoff for whatever reason that you have only yourself to blame for( this statement focused at all those who missed out due to this).

You can whine and cry all ya want, but you folks have only yourselves to blame.

Modifié par generalkorrd, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:39 .

[Morroian]

Coyote Hunter wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Coyote Hunter wrote...

Being forced to buy the signature edition from another retailer due to what seems like an discriminatory sales policy really has me wondering if I should buy any more BioWare games new instead of used, or at end of life. If I do commit to my signature edition pre-order, I'm just encouraging and even rewarding bad behavior in the marketplace. There's a fair and honorable way do business, and then there's this.

There's what? You're making assumptions about what happened based on conspiracy theories and no evidence.

I don't agree with that.  The reality of the situation is that there's one large venue that just now has an inferior version of the product for sale at the same price as what was available for months at several other large major venues with additional content.  I didn't imply there's a conspiracy, the major players have made it clear that the reason for this situation is that negotiations broke down.  The people who are at a disadvantage in this situation are those who trust Steam to treat their customers better than the other retailers who did get the signature edition deal, like GameStop or Best Buy.

So why would you then blame EA/Bioware as you seem to be doing? AS in saying you may not buy Bioware games.

[Rage.Shifter]

Veex wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

Again, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around people believing EA would voluntarily throw away an opportunity to put their SE on the largest digital retailer. Are you sure your anger is being vented at the appropriate company here Rage.Shifter?

Until I find evidence that Valve is at fault then yes, someone from EA needs to explain what happened.

[Morroian]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

Until I find evidence that Valve is at fault then yes, someone from EA needs to explain what happened.

EA or Bioware? Because Fernando has explained what happened.