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[generalkorrd]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

Veex wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

Again, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around people believing EA would voluntarily throw away an opportunity to put their SE on the largest digital retailer. Are you sure your anger is being vented at the appropriate company here Rage.Shifter?

Until I find evidence that Valve is at fault then yes, someone from EA needs to explain what happened.

I would say that since the vast majority of retailers-online or b&m- have had this for presale, then it doesnt take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that it was Valve's fault.

To further stir the pot let me use your quote up above and change as I see fit( changes in bold):

Until I find evidence that EA is at fault then yes, someone from Valve needs to explain what happened

[TJPags]

Rage.Shifter wrote...

Veex wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

Again, I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around people believing EA would voluntarily throw away an opportunity to put their SE on the largest digital retailer. Are you sure your anger is being vented at the appropriate company here Rage.Shifter?

Until I find evidence that Valve is at fault then yes, someone from EA needs to explain what happened.

This is what I don't get at all.

I understand, a lot of people like Steam.  They find it helpful, they find it easy to use, they find they have good customer service (whatever that means, exactly, to each person) etc.  And for whatever reason, people don't like EA.

Yet to claim that "until you see evidence Valve is at fault" you're going to blame EA?  Other than your opinion that Steam is great and EA is the devil, where is there any evidence that EA is at fault?  Oh right - there is none!

And to claim that someone from EA "needs to explain what happened" - several Bioware reps have commented on this issue, in several threads.  Someone else candidly admitted that threads at the Steam/Valve forums have gone unanswered by their devs.  So, it seems the EA/Bioware folks are more forthcoming, to the extent they can be.  Even though people continue to tout how "cutomer friendly" Valve is.

If you honestly think that anyone from EA, Bioware or Valve is going to come right out and say "this was the sticking point in the negotiations", you're deluded.  That will never happen.

And if you think you're somehow "owed" this information - well, get a job with Valve, EA or Bioware, then maybe you will be.
 
Going back to my lurking/laughing now.

[quaresma_Pt]

YEAAAHHHH bioware i F**** love you! STEAM DRAGON AGE 2!! Epic



But come on, put some dlc for free on pre order! Plz bioware, ea.!!!



Love you and thank you so much! I will wait for the free dlc! I believe on bioware!

[Onyx Jaguar]

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

[quaresma_Pt]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

 Indeed bro! yeah!

 Greetings from Portugal!  4.02 am here! I was kinda sad now i m  just f*** happy  :wizard:

[addiction21]

Onyx Jaguar wrote...

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Do it in style.

http://www.dvdtimes....m1.jpg_07102009

[dearlyblvd]

quaresma_Pt wrote...
I will wait for the free dlc! I believe on bioware!

I lose faith in the human race when I read posts like this.

[daynauthX]

BurtonSD wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

The majority who were smart enough to get their SE somewhere else, rather than act like stubborn people with the "Steam or bust" mentality.

Oh snap.

And no I'm not a troll, i'm telling it like it is. You guys had other resources to get it but you refused to use them. Wanna yell at someone, yell at yourself.

don't you mean minority?

and here's the thing about other resources that the rest of the world faces.

direct2drive
"This product is available for purchase in the United States and Canada. "

impulse
"Sorry, this item is not available in your
region."

amazon
"Dragon Age 2 cannot be shipped to the selected address."

[generalkorrd]

daynauthX wrote...

BurtonSD wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

The majority who were smart enough to get their SE somewhere else, rather than act like stubborn people with the "Steam or bust" mentality.

Oh snap.

And no I'm not a troll, i'm telling it like it is. You guys had other resources to get it but you refused to use them. Wanna yell at someone, yell at yourself.

don't you mean minority?

and here's the thing about other resources that the rest of the world faces.

direct2drive
"This product is available for purchase in the United States and Canada. "

impulse
"Sorry, this item is not available in your
region."

amazon
"Dragon Age 2 cannot be shipped to the selected address."

In your case, I can understand the problem, However there are b&m stores you could have made your preorder from. You need to start a thread on Valve's forums asking them why Valve dropped the ball on this. You wont get a truthful answer(if you get one at all). But I am fairly sure that the problem was that Valve wanted to sell the SE for a higher price, and EA said no.

[Soul Cool]

Rage.Shifter wrote...
If EA/Bioware was smart enough they wouldn't of ignored such a huge market, thanks again.

As of 2010, there are over 1,400 games available through Steam,[4] and over 30 million active user accounts.[5] Although Valve never releases sales figures, Steam is estimated to have a 70% share of the digital distribution market for video games.[6]

I don't generally use digital distribution services, but here's hoping to the gods (whichever ones out there) the FCC does its job for once in its sorry existence. If it doesn't, digital distribution is in for a massive shellacking if developers don't pick up the fight for net neutrality.

[Legonian]

Until I find evidence that Valve is at fault then yes, someone from EA needs to explain what happened.

This is what I don't get at all.

I understand, a lot of people like Steam.  They find it helpful, they find it easy to use, they find they have good customer service (whatever that means, exactly, to each person) etc.  And for whatever reason, people don't like EA.

I can't tell who is responsible for the lack of the SE, who is "right" or "wrong" but it's easy to see where people are coming from with that. Bioware make games that we love, EA has a history of screwing with people. 

I'm from Brazil and here the chances are high that you'll never see a physical copy of several games due to shipping and taxes. DA2 itself would cost me around 200 bucks if by Amazon. The option is digital distribution. But sadly only 2 services accept IPs from here: EA and Steam.

EA closed all operations here, leaving a site that is part portuguese from Portugal (different from the one spoken in Brazil) and part something that I have no idea what it is. There is no phone support and the link for customer support is broken (yeah, if you try to get customer support from them here in Brazil, you get a blank page). For reasons no one understand they stopped taking Amex but the banner is still on the site. Steam never gave me any problem apart from the a delay with DA1 and I got all my games using Valve's service. So out of nowhere I'm forced to buy the game at a different service, using a crappy site and for a bonus had to get hold of another card for the purchase.

Given the massive amount of disrespect involved, I think it's easy to see why some people, me included, are quick to blame EA.

And that was 1 week after I actually told a friend of mine that he was outdated for thinking that EA was evil...

[JEMEDAOME2]

MassFrost wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

You are not at all offering a solution to the problem that still remains, I do thank Fernando who was very helpful however.

What problem? That you had several months to find another retailer from which to purchase the SE, and instead procrastinated hoping for it to appear on Steam when BioWare never gave any indication that it would in time for the SE offer?

Sounds to me like you have no one to blame but yourself.

Yeah!!! what he/she said

I couldn't  get  the Sig Ed upgrade so did next best thing I ordered it pre January at my local GAME sure I had to put down a £10  deposit but I know i'm gonna get all the DLC goodness that comes with the SIG Ed.  Is it so hard to walk down to your nearest Video Game speacialist and physically Pre-order it?

Modifié par JEMEDAOME2, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:51 .

[StingingVelvet]

Something I didn't say in the last thread is that the whole pre-order DLC thing drives me crazy and I don't like it in general. Anyone who shells out their $60 should get the same amount of content and the game should feel complete. I know Bioware and other developers insist the main game with no DLC is complete, and honestly they are probably right, but what something IS and what something FEELS LIKE are two different things. When I miss out on content because I chose the wrong store or whatever I FEEL like I got a lesser product, and that is not a feeling companies should foster.

I know for Deus Ex 3 I am missing out on a mission because I refuse to support Gamestop. That's just bull****, frankly.

All that said though, the key thing here for me is that there were many options people could have perused to get the SE, it was not only on one store. The only way to miss it would be to either be paying NO attention what-so-ever to news about the game, in which case you would have lost out anyway, or to actively choose to ignore the SE and wait for a Steam version, knowing you would miss out. So... frankly the sympathy is not there.

Also as someone worried about Steam taking over PC gaming I like the idea of it missing out on some things.  If it persuades people to try other stores that's a positive if you ask me, intended by EA or not.

Again though, the whole concept of DLC bonuses and exclusives is bull if you ask me.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:46 .

[TJPags]

Legonian wrote...

Until I find evidence that Valve is at fault then yes, someone from EA needs to explain what happened.

This is what I don't get at all.

I understand, a lot of people like Steam.  They find it helpful, they find it easy to use, they find they have good customer service (whatever that means, exactly, to each person) etc.  And for whatever reason, people don't like EA.

I can't tell who is responsible for the lack of the SE, who is "right" or "wrong" but it's easy to see where people are coming from with that. Bioware make games that we love, EA has a history of screwing with people. 

I'm from Brazil and here the chances are high that you'll never see a physical copy of several games due to shipping and taxes. DA2 itself would cost me around 200 bucks if by Amazon. The option is digital distribution. But sadly only 2 services accept IPs from here: EA and Steam.

EA closed all operations here, leaving a site that is part portuguese from Portugal (different from the one spoken in Brazil) and part something that I have no idea what it is. There is no phone support and the link for customer support is broken (yeah, if you try to get customer support from them here in Brazil, you get a blank page). For reasons no one understand they stopped taking Amex but the banner is still on the site. Steam never gave me any problem apart from the a delay with DA1 and I got all my games using Valve's service. So out of nowhere I'm forced to buy the game at a different service, using a crappy site and for a bonus had to get hold of another card for the purchase.

Given the massive amount of disrespect involved, I think it's easy to see why some people, me included, are quick to blame EA.

And that was 1 week after I actually told a friend of mine that he was outdated for thinking that EA was evil...

See, someone in your position I have sympathy for.  And I appreciate that you're not here raving and ranting about how evil EA or Bioware is, even though you do still blame them.  I think it's fair for you to blame them for the limited website access you have, but perhaps not for the SE not being on Steam.  But I do appreciate that you're not screaming and yelling and such.

You got stuck in a bad spot, through no fault of your own.  But while you lost out on the SE, you do still get the game itself, and the freebies currently on offer, with some of the SE items available as DLC.  Maybe not the best result, but you do get the game.

[ClockworkTiger]

I really like Steam, and I was disappointed that the SE wasn't available on Steam, but to me it is a far smaller issue than how the pre-order DLC was handled as an incentive. It wasn't such a big deal to me when EA did this to encourage people to buy new instead of used, but doing this for a pre-order made me feel like I was not only being punished for not pre-ordering the game, but that I was being punished for not pre-ordering it EARLY ENOUGH. Maybe it's irrational to feel that way, but that's how I feel, and I have to admit it has muted my enthusiasm for the game a little bit.

[Nintendan]

If this wall just a big misunderstanding why not give people on steam 1-2 weeks to get the SE. Why, because it wasn't a misunderstanding. It all comes down to EA and wanting more money (like they need it).

Steam is a PC power house and EA doesn't like it. EA is selling more and more from DD providers. Knowing this they decided not to put the SE on steam, because more people would order it there and not on their site. Now I know everyone is going to jump in and say "but impulse and gamergate had SE." Ya but I highly doubt they take as much as steam so EA was still making more money.

I know a lot of people who have decided not to get DA2 because of this and use other mean... Like borrowing it.....ya borrowing it, let's go with that. I know I wont borrow it, but I now know I'll wait a year for a steam sale with all the DLC. Heck getting boned out of the DLC and the price hike has made me already take my money elsewhere and get The Witcher 2, it's only $45 and has a load of extra no matter when or how I pre-order it!

Modifié par Nintendan, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:29 .

[Addai]

I'm sure it's not just as simple as extending the deal on Steam for a week or two, there could be contractual obligations with other vendors etc. Though, as I said upthread, it doesn't hurt to ask if that could be done.

[StingingVelvet]

Nintendan wrote...

If this wall just a big misunderstanding why not give people on steam 1-2 weeks to get the SE. Why, because it wasn't a misunderstanding. It all comes down to EA and wanting more money (like they need it).

There are contracts and such between EA and distributors, there is honestly no way what-so-ever they could go back on all that and give Steam a special new window.  Never going to happen, even if every single EA employee wanted it to.

Oh, and can we stop the allusions to piracy?  If anyone feels the DLC or price is wrong then they can just not play the game, or wait for a sale.  There is no justification what-so-ever to pirate the game and acting like there is, even a little bit, does everyone a disservice.

Modifié par StingingVelvet, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:37 .

[Morroian]

StingingVelvet wrote...

I know for Deus Ex 3 I am missing out on a mission because I refuse to support Gamestop. That's just bull****, frankly.

So is DE3 available for pre-order from Gamestop? Cause its not available for pre-order on Steam at least not to Australian users. 

[Taint Master]

Addai67 wrote...

I'm sure it's not just as simple as extending the deal on Steam for a week or two, there could be contractual obligations with other vendors etc. Though, as I said upthread, it doesn't hurt to ask if that could be done.

It shouldn't be done.  If the SE was going to be on Steam, I would have gotten it there.  One they announced it wouldn't be, I purchased it elsewhere, like the majority of reasonable people.

Going back on their word now would be rather unfair to those of us who planned ahead.

[Taint Master]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

It's difficult for me to muster up some enthusiasm about the Steam edition as things stand now, having missed the SE by mere hours and venting about the situation is considered spam 'round these parts.

You had months.  MONTHS.  And Bioware even announced several weeks back that the SE would NOT be coming to steam. 

You people are unbelievable.

[Addai]

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I'm sure it's not just as simple as extending the deal on Steam for a week or two, there could be contractual obligations with other vendors etc. Though, as I said upthread, it doesn't hurt to ask if that could be done.

It shouldn't be done.  If the SE was going to be on Steam, I would have gotten it there.  One they announced it wouldn't be, I purchased it elsewhere, like the majority of reasonable people.

Going back on their word now would be rather unfair to those of us who planned ahead.

"Reasonable"?  I'm not sure you're arguing the issue very reasonably yourself.

[StingingVelvet]

Morroian wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...

I know for Deus Ex 3 I am missing out on a mission because I refuse to support Gamestop. That's just bull****, frankly.

So is DE3 available for pre-order from Gamestop? Cause its not available for pre-order on Steam at least not to Australian users.

I don't think it is, but Steam often puts pre-orders up later than other places.  I have it pre-ordered on amazon, which is where I do most of my game purchasing.  The current deal for Deus Ex 3 is that Gamestop pre-orders get an added mission which involved Tracer Tong, while pre-orders from everywhere else (including Steam eventually I would guess) get a stupid weapon pack.

I would love to get that Tracer Tong mission but I will not give Gamestop any money for numerous reasons.  I assume it will come out as DLC later, but then I am pretty sure my response will be "**** you I paid the same as everyone else and deserve this for free."

[CheesecakeRecipe]

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I'm sure it's not just as simple as extending the deal on Steam for a week or two, there could be contractual obligations with other vendors etc. Though, as I said upthread, it doesn't hurt to ask if that could be done.

It shouldn't be done.  If the SE was going to be on Steam, I would have gotten it there.  One they announced it wouldn't be, I purchased it elsewhere, like the majority of reasonable people.

Going back on their word now would be rather unfair to those of us who planned ahead.

Tell that to EA after they put some of their games up on Steam a month later than other DD services while saying the whole time that those games would not be coming to steam at all.

It's really funny how that works out.

Modifié par CheesecakeRecipe, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:38 .