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[JEMEDAOME2]

Sure steam is popular.... with PC Gamers and DA2 is not just coming out on the PC, it's coming out consoles too there are well over 30 million Xbox live users and 60 million PSN users that give you and idea of how dominant the consoles are at the moment.

Which means if EA can't get sig ed on steam when they know they have big console sales and easier ways of selling the PC version, they'll go with next best thing which In my view they did here. EA arn't Evil (at least not any more thats Activsion's job now)

They could easily plump for console only, but they didn't they could've removed it from steam completly but they didn't DA2 as I understand is there on steam, the sig is the specail pay extra money option, you don't get extra bells and whistles but at end of the day it's the game you want not pre-order DLC

And another thing stop wailing on Bioware i've been a fan since KOTOR and they've made nothing but magic i'd like to see any you whingers spend years making a sequel to a great game that is loved by millions could you?      I know I coulnd't and won't so I buy ,enjoy and shut up.
Nuff Sed

Modifié par JEMEDAOME2, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:41 .

[Erode_The_Soul]

Taint Master wrote...

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

It's difficult for me to muster up some enthusiasm about the Steam edition as things stand now, having missed the SE by mere hours and venting about the situation is considered spam 'round these parts.

You had months.  MONTHS.  And Bioware even announced several weeks back that the SE would NOT be coming to steam. 

You people are unbelievable.

Ah, that's a pretty broad brush you're painting with there, my friend. You might want to switch to a smaller size, or your painting is going to look a tad silly


For instance, you seemed to have missed where I said that I had no problem giving up the bonuses due to my preference of Steam.
And where I said that I wasn't looking for a conspiracy theory.
And that I wasn't angry.
And that I would likely still purchase the game.
And that I understood I had other options
And that my only real issue with this situation was the timing of it, which I fully acknowledged was just a gut feeling and likely wasn't substantiated by any underhanded dealings from either side.


Calling those who are disappointed "unbelievable" really only contributes to the unecessary drama, but If you really feel like playing that card, go right ahead.

Modifié par Erode_The_Soul, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:56 .

[ClayMeow]

ClockworkTiger wrote...

I really like Steam, and I was disappointed that the SE wasn't available on Steam, but to me it is a far smaller issue than how the pre-order DLC was handled as an incentive. It wasn't such a big deal to me when EA did this to encourage people to buy new instead of used, but doing this for a pre-order made me feel like I was not only being punished for not pre-ordering the game, but that I was being punished for not pre-ordering it EARLY ENOUGH. Maybe it's irrational to feel that way, but that's how I feel, and I have to admit it has muted my enthusiasm for the game a little bit.

QFT.

Although any kind of "day one DLC" is worrisome, at least in the case of DAO, it was made available, for free, to anyone who purchased a new copy of the game. That seemed like a very reasonable and logical business decision, so I didn't hold it against EA/Bioware. For DA2, however, they're decided that only those that pre-ordered the game well in advance will receive the day one DLC for free, while everyone else must pay extra. That's a completely BS greedy move.

If DLC is ready to go at a game's launch, then it should be part of said game, not something extra.

It's ridiculous that Bioware is allowing EA to do this. Bioware used to care about its community, but it seems like EA's money is doing the talking now. It's a shame.

At this point, I'll most likely NOT be pre-ordering the game, nor will I even be buying it at launch. I'll probably wait for  a Steam sale that has it for at least 50% off with all the DLC to date. And this coming from someone who pre-ordered the DAO CE almost immediately after it was announced. So in the end, EA/Bioware will be losing money on the deal, and I'm sure I'm just one of thousands that will be doing the same.

Modifié par ClayMeow, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:17 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Morroian wrote...

generalkorrd wrote...

Doesnt steam allow you to add games that were bought elsewhere to the service? I seem to remember a button like that in my steam client. If so, your whining is even more pathetic, you could have bought elsewhere and add it in later, and had 3ish months to do so.

I might be wrong but I don't think this can be done with just any game. I think you can add a shortcut for all games to Steam but for full support as in patching and downloading there needs to be specific support for that.

Not every game, but you can do it with many. If there's a product key, you can usually add the game to Steam. I like Steam, but honestly, I don't know why people seem to be having a cow over this when there were plenty of alternate ways to get the game before the preoder SE offer went poof. *shrug*

I like Steam btw & use it every day, but I guess I'm not quite as, ahem, devoted as some people seem to be. Also, as someone else said (more or less), It's not as if Valve was some kind of passive participant in whatever negotiations went on. I'm sure they have some level of responsibility in what happened too.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:00 .

[Razaroh]

ClayMeow wrote...

Although any kind of "day one DLC" is worrisome, at least in the case of DAO, it was made available, for free, to anyone who purchased a new copy of the game. That seemed like a very reasonable and logical business decision, so I didn't hold it against EA/Bioware. For DA2, however, they're decided that only those that pre-ordered the game well in advance will receive the day one DLC for free, while everyone else must pay extra. That's a completely BS greedy move.

Except the pre order was for the Signature Edition. If all the content of the Signature version is available for the regular version, why bother with the Signature in the first place? Offering the DLC for free in the ES seems more like a reward than a punishmeant. A 'Thanks for having faith guys, hope you enjoy our game'.

I suppose one mans pat on the back is another mans slap in the face?

As long as you buy a new game, regardless of its version, you get a Mabari, the Mirror, and The Black Emporium. It's an incentive to buy new so that some of the money your spending will go to the developers and not directly into Game Stops pocket. Preorder it and you get two bonus items. Any pre order bonus is just that; a bonus. A thank you card. As long as the game does not suffer for the lack of it you can't say it was meant to be part of the original game.

My only complaint would be how they handled Soldiers Peak. You shouldn't taunt players in game with content that is DLC only. As long as a message doesn't appear over Sebs head informing you that you need to pay extra before he can join your party I'll be happy.

[StingingVelvet]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Morroian wrote...

generalkorrd wrote...

Doesnt steam allow you to add games that were bought elsewhere to the service? I seem to remember a button like that in my steam client. If so, your whining is even more pathetic, you could have bought elsewhere and add it in later, and had 3ish months to do so.

I might be wrong but I don't think this can be done with just any game. I think you can add a shortcut for all games to Steam but for full support as in patching and downloading there needs to be specific support for that.

Not every game, but you can do it with many. If there's a product key, you can usually add the game to Steam. I like Steam, but honestly, I don't know why people seem to be having a cow over this when there were plenty of alternate ways to get the game before the preoder SE offer went poof. *shrug*

I like Steam btw & use it every day, but I guess I'm not quite as, ahem, devoted as some people seem to be. Also, as someone else said (more or less), It's not as if Valve was some kind of passive participant in whatever negotiations went on. I'm sure they have some level of responsibility in what happened too.

There's a very, very small list of non-steamworks games that you can add to Steam.

[dearlyblvd]

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I'm sure it's not just as simple as extending the deal on Steam for a week or two, there could be contractual obligations with other vendors etc. Though, as I said upthread, it doesn't hurt to ask if that could be done.

It shouldn't be done.  If the SE was going to be on Steam, I would have gotten it there.  One they announced it wouldn't be, I purchased it elsewhere, like the majority of reasonable people.

Going back on their word now would be rather unfair to those of us who planned ahead.

So, I see that still after all this mess from Electronic Arts, you are still defending their decision based solely on the argument that "when the promotion is finished, everybody shouldn't be allowed to purchase the Signature Edition."

Care to explain why sites like http://www.cdunivers...826&style=games are still selling the SE Edition?

Also, I would like to point out that I answered to the comment where you put words in my mouth, but unfortunately the thread got locked: http://social.biowar...ndex/5027014/70

By the way, being a steam client and not getting the SE edition, I already decided what I'm going to do, as EA won't change their decision:
Differently than Dragon Age Origins Deluxe Edition which I pre-ordered and I was following the news about the game way longer than the average joe, I will wait until Dragon Age 2 gets a low price on Steam and THEN I will buy the game. After this, I will buy the DLC with the extra companion and probably consider buying the others DLCs, as I suspect that there will be many available at this point, since it will be a great game, but still incomplete (Witch Hunt anyone?).

In this situation, I will basically miss one major thing and one minor thing:
- minor: 2 promotional items
- major: I won't be able to play the game on the release, like all the other cool kids

But I rather do this instead of spending an extra $7 for being a loyal customer to a different game distributor.

I really hope that Electronic Arts won't screw the steam clients again with the release of Mass Effect 3 and possibly Dragon Age 3, but I doubt so, as their goals towards Steam seen clear. After all, you can't pre-order Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 3 on Steam, but you can pre-order them on Direct2Drive.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[FedericoV]

Signature Edition was a GIFT to loyal customer who were willing to buy the game no matter what anyone was saying about DA2. That was the spirit of the operation.

So, whining about Steam means that you have not get the point of the whole thing: you have missed an opportunity, why Bioware or EA should be considered responsible of it? You have made some strict choices (only buy through Steam) now live with the consequences and stop acting like a 5 year old spoiled child.

I'm a Steam user too (especially because of Steam sales). But Steam has its flaws like anything else and it's not hard to see that maybe it is becoming too big and that's never good (especially since Valve is a game designer too: conflict of interest anyone?). And having said that, if my favourite store fails to grant or deliver me an item I'm willing to buy, I blame the store and not the developer.

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[dearlyblvd]

FedericoV wrote...

Signature Edition was a GIFT to loyal customer who were willing to buy the game no matter what anyone was saying about DA2. That was the spirit of the operation.

So, whining about Steam means that you have not get the point of the whole thing: you have missed an opportunity, why Bioware or EA should be considered responsible of it? You have made some strict choices (only buy through Steam) now live with the consequences and stop acting like a 5 year old spoiled child.

I'm a Steam user too (especially because of Steam sales). But Steam has its flaws like anything else and it's not hard to see that maybe it is becoming too big and that's never good (especially since Valve is a game designer too: conflict of interest anyone?). And having said that, if my favourite store fails to grant or deliver me an item I'm willing to buy, I blame the store and not the developer.

I would agree with your point of view if they hadn't released the Standard Edition right after the promotion ended and if other sites weren't still selling the Signature Edition.

[AuraofMana]

dearlyblvd wrote...
I really hope that Electronic Arts won't screw the steam clients again with the release of Mass Effect 3 and possibly Dragon Age 3, but I doubt so, as their goals towards Steam seen clear. After all, you can't pre-order Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 3 on Steam, but you can pre-order them on Direct2Drive.

When someone actually comes out with evidence that EA did this on purpose I'll believe this, until then, it's just words that mean nothing to me. I would like to have DA2 on Steam as I have most of my games now on Steam, but it's not the end of the world for me.

Valve fanboys are getting really annoying now.

[Youmu]

ClayMeow wrote...

Although any kind of "day one DLC" is worrisome, at least in the case of DAO, it was made available, for free, to anyone who purchased a new copy of the game. That seemed like a very reasonable and logical business decision, so I didn't hold it against EA/Bioware. For DA2, however, they're decided that only those that pre-ordered the game well in advance will receive the day one DLC for free, while everyone else must pay extra. That's a completely BS greedy move.

This is not entirely true.

DA:O had only Shale (bonus character) in it. Warden's Keep had to be bought by people who bought the normal set.
DA:O "Digital Deluxe" and retail equivalent, had both Warden's Keep and Shale.

Mass Effect 2 had Cerberus Network

DA2 will have Black Emporium.

Shale, Cerberus and Emporium is part of the EA's project to recoup money from used game sales by adding one-time use DLC codes to the original sales, not that Shale or Emporium will have as big of an impact in the game as Cerberus (which added weapons, a character+mission, new missions with the hovertank).

Razaroh wrote...

Except the pre order was for the Signature Edition. If all the content of the Signature version is available for the regular version, why bother with the Signature in the first place? Offering the DLC for free in the ES seems more like a reward than a punishmeant. A 'Thanks for having faith guys, hope you enjoy our game'.

Then why not have the SE as completely different product they sell at +10bux over the standard version, just like the DD version on DA:O.

Sure, the free pre-order deal they had make the fans all :wub:, and overall is a much, much better from the customer viewpoint. I'd be all ecstatic, too, if it had been on Steam.

And in before "you had months to get it elsewhere herpderpderp", I really only considered digital format. Alas, per EA standard operatin' procedure, it was not available on GamersGate, Impulse or Direct2drive due to region locks. EAstore is an abomination I simply refuse to use. While it isn't as terrible as GfWL is, it still isn't a place I'd shop at. Then there's retail, sure, I could have gotten it off from Amazon or something. I just haven't bought a retail box+disk in a long time. I don't need the box, nor the disk.

Plus, DA:O+A, ME1+2, JE and KotOR I already have on Steam. Would be nice to have all the Bioware stuff on the one same place. I will have DA2 on Steam too, eventually, but I'll be grabbing it off a sale, instead of the fullprice preorder that I would have gotten if the Steam had been an option.

[FedericoV]

dearlyblvd wrote...

I would agree with your point of view if they hadn't released the Standard Edition right after the promotion ended and if other sites weren't still selling the Signature Edition.

Well, if Steam and EA weren't able to sign a deal about the SE in time, you should be happy that at least they could work out something for the normal edition ASAP and don't whine about it like it is some sort of strange conspiracy (not talking to you but about the general opinions here). At least, no one should assume that its only EA or Bioware fault. Valve's not perfect, you know? We are not insiders or business man and we should not act like fans, we are only gamers and we should play the game we are interested in and avoid the one we do not like.

The fact that other sites are still selling the SE strenghten my point: if someone chooses to buy only from ONE retailer, while other are offering him a better deal, it's not the publisher/developer fault but only the customer fault. And it's not that he is missing so much: just 7 $ DLC (not critical) content for god sake.

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:40 .

[Melca36]

I still preordered on Steam. I have no problem purchasing any DLC.



My husband and I went to see Tron Legacy. The cost of tickets to see it in 3D were 16.50, we had popcorn and two drinks...another $20.00 total



I'd rather pay $60.00 for a game that offers re-playability than spend $53.00 at a movie theater when I can just wait for the blue ray release 5 months later.

[Dune01]

Uzzy wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Rage.Shifter wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Wow. I never knew Steam had actual fanatics. You guys have altars you gather 'round?

Yeah, it's called 3 million average users online, what do you represent?

Myself mostly,  I don't have this whole costumer loyality thing.  I buy from where its convient/cheaper/etc.  I don't quite understand why you have to buy from steam?  Do you get bonuses for doing so..?  Or is it just out of simple devotion,  I can respect both...  but I also think its silly to complain when you could easily rectify the problem by getting the game from another distributor.

It is possible that the people who wanted to pre-order from Steam wanted to do so because they trust the service and feel it's a reliable one, as opposed to the other DD services out there. There have also been a few people on here talking about how they couldn't pre-order on other services due to region issues.

1st reason why i love steam: I live in a far far away country where pay pal and other services do not exist.
2nd reason:I tend to lose my disk.Then I'm screwed .That doesn't happen with steam.
3rd reason:I just love it.

[Dune01]

AuraofMana wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
I really hope that Electronic Arts won't screw the steam clients again with the release of Mass Effect 3 and possibly Dragon Age 3, but I doubt so, as their goals towards Steam seen clear. After all, you can't pre-order Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 3 on Steam, but you can pre-order them on Direct2Drive.

When someone actually comes out with evidence that EA did this on purpose I'll believe this, until then, it's just words that mean nothing to me. I would like to have DA2 on Steam as I have most of my games now on Steam, but it's not the end of the world for me.

Valve fanboys are getting really annoying now.

Tell me,does Valve price their games 60$?

[FedericoV]

Dune01 wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
I really hope that Electronic Arts won't screw the steam clients again with the release of Mass Effect 3 and possibly Dragon Age 3, but I doubt so, as their goals towards Steam seen clear. After all, you can't pre-order Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 3 on Steam, but you can pre-order them on Direct2Drive.

When someone actually comes out with evidence that EA did this on purpose I'll believe this, until then, it's just words that mean nothing to me. I would like to have DA2 on Steam as I have most of my games now on Steam, but it's not the end of the world for me.

Valve fanboys are getting really annoying now.

Tell me,does Valve price their games 60$?

Valve has not a publisher.

[Taint Master]

dearlyblvd wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

I'm sure it's not just as simple as extending the deal on Steam for a week or two, there could be contractual obligations with other vendors etc. Though, as I said upthread, it doesn't hurt to ask if that could be done.

It shouldn't be done.  If the SE was going to be on Steam, I would have gotten it there.  One they announced it wouldn't be, I purchased it elsewhere, like the majority of reasonable people.

Going back on their word now would be rather unfair to those of us who planned ahead.

So, I see that still after all this mess from Electronic Arts, you are still defending their decision based solely on the argument that "when the promotion is finished, everybody shouldn't be allowed to purchase the Signature Edition."

What is the purpose of setting a deadline if you don't follow it?

Care to explain why sites like http://www.cdunivers...826&style=games are still selling the SE Edition?

That's the PS3 version.  A physical copy.  More likely than not, they put in a request for X number of SE copies through EA and have not reached their quota for reservations yet.  That doesn't apply to digital copies.

By the way, being a steam client and not getting the SE edition, I already decided what I'm going to do, as EA won't change their decision:
Differently than Dragon Age Origins Deluxe Edition which I pre-ordered and I was following the news about the game way longer than the average joe, I will wait until Dragon Age 2 gets a low price on Steam and THEN I will buy the game. After this, I will buy the DLC with the extra companion and probably consider buying the others DLCs, as I suspect that there will be many available at this point, since it will be a great game, but still incomplete (Witch Hunt anyone?).

In this situation, I will basically miss one major thing and one minor thing:
- minor: 2 promotional items
- major: I won't be able to play the game on the release, like all the other cool kids

But I rather do this instead of spending an extra $7 for being a loyal customer to a different game distributor.

I really hope that Electronic Arts won't screw the steam clients again with the release of Mass Effect 3 and possibly Dragon Age 3, but I doubt so, as their goals towards Steam seen clear. After all, you can't pre-order Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 3 on Steam, but you can pre-order them on Direct2Drive.

LOL, really now.  Who are you punishing by waiting?  You admit you're still going to buy it anyway, and still buy the DLC.  If you had just gone to a different retailer or site (like D2D) you could have had the SE on release day for less than the full price of the regular edition...
But no, keep holding out.  That'll show em.

[noprophet]

[/quote]LOL, really now.  Who are you punishing by waiting?  You admit you're still going to buy it anyway, and still buy the DLC.  If you had just gone to a different retailer or site (like D2D) you could have had the SE on release day for less than the full price of the regular edition...
But no, keep holding out.  That'll show em.
[/quote]

Miss the point much?

The thread has shown that D2D and other DD channels were not available to all customers.  There is a significant base that will purchase ONLY DD and steam is their only option in many regions.  Also, D2D and other do not provide the same service as steam and this is significant to many steam customers.  This is not to blame EA/BW over Valve (I accept this could be Valve's fault) but to simply point out that the loyal steam user/fanboy/whatever wants his deal available on steam.  Valve and/or the publishers should make it happen.

Holding out WILL show them - in fact it is the only way to show them.  The massively reduced gross and margin on those sales will speak loud and clear.  Publishers need to jump on the Steam train and make some money.  Regardless of Valve's cut, more full price sales is more full-price sales no matter what.  When it is the dominant player in the market, publishers should want to sell as many unit through it as possible, not have some 1/2assed channel like the EA store in a cynical attempt to maximise margin-per-sale.  More dollars will be made overall by maximising the units sold through DD - due to the barely existant overheads.

I'll only buy PC games on Steam as it is my preferred platform and will give up on any title if it's not on Steam.  I say this as both a manager of a brick and mortar games retail store and as an avid pc gamer.  Some people prefer DD and most DD customers prefer Steam and most publishers realise the benefits of distrbuting through Steam.

[Dune01]

FedericoV wrote...

Dune01 wrote...

AuraofMana wrote...

dearlyblvd wrote...
I really hope that Electronic Arts won't screw the steam clients again with the release of Mass Effect 3 and possibly Dragon Age 3, but I doubt so, as their goals towards Steam seen clear. After all, you can't pre-order Dead Space 2 and Mass Effect 3 on Steam, but you can pre-order them on Direct2Drive.

When someone actually comes out with evidence that EA did this on purpose I'll believe this, until then, it's just words that mean nothing to me. I would like to have DA2 on Steam as I have most of my games now on Steam, but it's not the end of the world for me.

Valve fanboys are getting really annoying now.

Tell me,does Valve price their games 60$?

Valve has not a publisher.

Lol?
Valve Corporation is an American video game development and digital distribution company based in Bellevue, Washington, U.S. that was founded in 1996, and made famous by its first product, Half-Life, which was released in November 1998, and by its distribution software, Steam. They are known for their first-person shooters, the Source engine, and long development cycles.-wikipedia

[Morroian]

dearlyblvd wrote...

I would agree with your point of view if they hadn't released the Standard Edition right after the promotion ended and if other sites weren't still selling the Signature Edition.

Perfectly reasonable explanations for this have been put forward.

[FedericoV]

Dune01 wrote...

Lol?
Valve Corporation is an American video game development and digital distribution company based in Bellevue, Washington, U.S. that was founded in 1996, and made famous by its first product, Half-Life, which was released in November 1998, and by its distribution software, Steam. They are known for their first-person shooters, the Source engine, and long development cycles.-wikipedia

ROTFL

Are you able to read? English is not my native language but it seems to me that Valve do not have any publisher like Ea, Ubisoft or Activision and that they own their digital distribution channel. Valve has not to pay a share of their profit to anyone (at least when they sell on Steam).

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:40 .

[Taint Master]

noprophet wrote...

Miss the point much?

The thread has shown that D2D and other DD channels were not available to all customers.  There is a significant base that will purchase ONLY DD and steam is their only option in many regions.  Also, D2D and other do not provide the same service as steam and this is significant to many steam customers.  This is not to blame EA/BW over Valve (I accept this could be Valve's fault) but to simply point out that the loyal steam user/fanboy/whatever wants his deal available on steam.  Valve and/or the publishers should make it happen.

You're talking about a very small minority here.  If someone's only option in their region is steam, well, they can preorder now and pay for the DLC later like everyone else who couldn't come up with some kind of solution in the last 4 months Bioware gave you.

Holding out WILL show them - in fact it is the only way to show them.  The massively reduced gross and margin on those sales will speak loud and clear.  Publishers need to jump on the Steam train and make some money.  Regardless of Valve's cut, more full price sales is more full-price sales no matter what.  When it is the dominant player in the market, publishers should want to sell as many unit through it as possible, not have some 1/2assed channel like the EA store in a cynical attempt to maximise margin-per-sale.  More dollars will be made overall by maximising the units sold through DD - due to the barely existant overheads.

I'd prefer it on steam too, but it didn't happen.  Still I'm not so stubborn that I refuse to explore any other avenues to get what I want.  D2D is a fine alternative (and cheaper for now).

I'll only buy PC games on Steam as it is my preferred platform and will give up on any title if it's not on Steam.  I say this as both a manager of a brick and mortar games retail store and as an avid pc gamer.  Some people prefer DD and most DD customers prefer Steam and most publishers realise the benefits of distrbuting through Steam.

And I'll be playing my copy on day 1, instead of waiting til the end of the year for the next black friday uber sale.  Have fun with that.  You guys are so unreasonable, it's hilarious.

[Youmu]

FedericoV wrote...

ROTFL

Are you able to read? English is not my native language but it seems to me that Valve do not have any publisher like Ea, Ubisoft or Activision and that they own their digital distribution channel. Valve has not to pay a share of their profit to anyone (at least when they sell on Steam).

Valve does have a publisher... EA for all retail versions. Even then it doesn't make Valve a saint in that sense, you often can get the retail copy cheaper than what Valve will charge in their own DD platform, as well as the $1=1€ pricing their own products have.

[Dune01]

FedericoV wrote...

Dune01 wrote...

Lol?
Valve Corporation is an American video game development and digital distribution company based in Bellevue, Washington, U.S. that was founded in 1996, and made famous by its first product, Half-Life, which was released in November 1998, and by its distribution software, Steam. They are known for their first-person shooters, the Source engine, and long development cycles.-wikipedia

ROTFL

Are you able to read? English is not my native language but it seems to me that Valve do not have any publisher like Ea, Ubisoft or Activision and that they own their digital distribution channel. Valve has not to pay a share of their profit to anyone (at least when they sell on Steam).

Valve publishes their games via retail and digital distribution.Retail goes through EA (but Valve determines the price) and digital goes through their own digital distribution service Steam.

[Dune01]

Taint Master wrote...

noprophet wrote...

Miss the point much?

The thread has shown that D2D and other DD channels were not available to all customers.  There is a significant base that will purchase ONLY DD and steam is their only option in many regions.  Also, D2D and other do not provide the same service as steam and this is significant to many steam customers.  This is not to blame EA/BW over Valve (I accept this could be Valve's fault) but to simply point out that the loyal steam user/fanboy/whatever wants his deal available on steam.  Valve and/or the publishers should make it happen.

You're talking about a very small minority here.  If someone's only option in their region is steam, well, they can preorder now and pay for the DLC later like everyone else who couldn't come up with some kind of solution in the last 4 months Bioware gave you.

Holding out WILL show them - in fact it is the only way to show them.  The massively reduced gross and margin on those sales will speak loud and clear.  Publishers need to jump on the Steam train and make some money.  Regardless of Valve's cut, more full price sales is more full-price sales no matter what.  When it is the dominant player in the market, publishers should want to sell as many unit through it as possible, not have some 1/2assed channel like the EA store in a cynical attempt to maximise margin-per-sale.  More dollars will be made overall by maximising the units sold through DD - due to the barely existant overheads.

I'd prefer it on steam too, but it didn't happen.  Still I'm not so stubborn that I refuse to explore any other avenues to get what I want.  D2D is a fine alternative (and cheaper for now).

This.Correct me if I'm wrong but D2D isn't a fine alternative because you only get to download the game once.Hence the cheapness.

Modifié par Dune01, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:42 .