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[Dune01]

double post. sorry

Modifié par Dune01, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:38 .

[Dune01]

Anyway I'll probably be waiting for Ultimate edition.

Modifié par Dune01, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:39 .

[Dune01]

double post again....i'l log out and go sleep

Modifié par Dune01, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:41 .

[dbrw]

If i could buy the DA2: SE on D2D, Impulse or Gamersgate it would be awesome but EA Games have region restriction there. ¬¬ And now the game finally released on steam but the SE it's not avaliable. : /

[Sharuko]

People changed their tune. Before it was "Maybe it is Steam's fault because they are charging too much" which is an idiotic assertion in itself because Steam has the lowest prices and on sales they practically give the game away for free.

Now that DA2 was on Steam the day after 1/1/11 the "Valve and Steam was charging too much" goes out the window and now they want things like "proof".  More  useless drivel, which they know a common gamer that doesn't work in these companies won't have.

If Valve was charging too much DA2 would not be on Steam. This is EA's war with Valve over Digital distribution, plain and simple. And customers are stuck in the cross fire.

It is no surprised that EA's CEO said Digital distribution is the way of the future and also said things like 30% of EA's revenue will come from digital distribution in the future.

Here is a simple tip to EA, you want others to use different forms of Digital distribution including the EA downloader.  Offer better service and services than Steam.  Don't withhold games to try and artificially increase your market share.  That won't work in the long run.  Consumers will always go with the better product or service.

Modifié par Sharuko, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:36 .

[Youmu]

Dune01 wrote...

This.Correct me if I'm wrong but D2D isn't a fine alternative because you only get to download the game once.Hence the cheapness.

Not true. All the DD services include free redownloads, including EAstore which often gets quoted as having only a year of free redownloading.

For EAstore, it used to be true, downloading past the 1 year mark required that you had bought an 'extended service' or something silly like that. It hasn't been in place for atleast two years now, however. And in before someone posts the page from EA store's support, no, it's false. I have products from EAstore that I got a year ago, and still can't redownload for free, without any extended service gimmicry.

It's a basic service really, any DD store not guaranteeing free downloads wouldn't last.

Modifié par Youmu, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:30 .

[Sharuko]

JEMEDAOME2 wrote...

Sure steam is popular.... with PC Gamers and DA2 is not just coming out on the PC, it's coming out consoles too there are well over 30 million Xbox live users and 60 million PSN users that give you and idea of how dominant the consoles are at the moment.

Which means if EA can't get sig ed on steam when they know they have big console sales and easier ways of selling the PC version, they'll go with next best thing which In my view they did here. EA arn't Evil (at least not any more thats Activsion's

There are over 30 million Steam users.

Valve's online game platform, Steam, has now reached 30 million active accounts -- according to the company, that's a volume that represents 178 percent growth year over year. Steam now plays host to 1,200 games played by as many as 3 million simultaneous users at peak. 

Six million unique users access Steam every day, Valve adds, and sales for the service are up over 200 percent year over year, marking the sixth straight year where the platform has seen sales double or better.

http://www.gamasutra...200_Percent.php

Modifié par Sharuko, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:43 .

[TormDK]

Youmu wrote...

Dune01 wrote...

This.Correct me if I'm wrong but D2D isn't a fine alternative because you only get to download the game once.Hence the cheapness.

Not true. All the DD services include free redownloads, including EAstore which often gets quoted as having only a year of free redownloading.

For EAstore, it used to be true, downloading past the 1 year mark required that you had bought an 'extended service' or something silly like that. It hasn't been in place for atleast two years now, however. And in before someone posts the page from EA store's support, no, it's false. I have products from EAstore that I got a year ago, and still can't redownload for free, without any extended service gimmicry.

It's a basic service really, any DD store not guaranteeing free downloads wouldn't last.

I was rather surprised when I downloaded the EADM yesterday and saw that I was able to download games I bought three years ago when I recall that I had to purchase an additional service to be able to download it after six months.

Steam as a platform is great. But it is never in our interest as consumers and gamers to have a digital distribution monopoly (Or any kind of monopoly really), and from where I'm sitting Valve seems to be just that as time goes by.

Valve (And EA) is a company, companies main purpose is to earn money (Shock!). I fully believe Steam is pushing for a bigger cut of the cake because of their position as market leader. Not just with EA, but with all publishers and developers. They started smelling blood after seeing what Blizzard did with their online store, and wolla enter the ManCo Store.

Thats not to say that it isn't ok. If there's a niche for it then by all means give it a whirl. We just shouldn't stick Valve and Steam up on a pedistal as some sort of diety worth worshipping, because at the end of the day they only care about one thing. $$$$

Modifié par NevronEQ, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:42 .

[Youmu]

NevronEQ wrote...

Steam as a platform is great. But it is never in our interest as consumers and gamers to have a digital distribution monopoly (Or any kind of monopoly really), and from where I'm sitting Valve seems to be just that as time goes by.

Valve (And EA) is a company, companies main purpose is to earn money (Shock!). I fully believe Steam is pushing for a bigger cut of the cake because of their position as market leader. Not just with EA, but with all publishers and developers. They started smelling blood after seeing what Blizzard did with their online store, and wolla enter the ManCo Store.

Of course monopoly isn't okay, but Steam is in the position where they are by proving superior service to all the competitors, whether they like it or not.

What it comes to MannCo, so far, I'm really not offended by it. What they offer, can also be gotten ingame. Some of things that aren't -- don't really matter. It's an for FPS game, involving buyable hats. Which are purely cosmetic. This would be different if it sold "map packs", weapons and other features that benefit the player ingame. But, maps have been free, new features are implemented for free, so it's hard to call Valve money grubbing demons as they atleast give some kind of appearance of actually caring.

Only thing I've really been upset about at Valve so far has been Left4Dead 2. Released year after the first one, and a full-priced game. And even then it was only an upset, that L4D didn't end up getting the update/content/feature goodness TF2 did. By what people were used to at the time, it was rather low blow, but on the other hand, it was, and is, business as usual for Activision and EA.

To return to the whole monopoly and service thing -- taking DA2 for example, it isn't available globally in Impulse, Gamersgate and Direct2drive. If we were honestly fight monopoly, first thing would be to allow the competitors sell their product worldwide -- Steam certainly does (*albeit from what I've heard, their catalogue is seriously crippled in Asia). This obviously is EA's doing for reasons unkown.

Modifié par Youmu, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:53 .

[Sauronvoldemort]

Will DA2 have hats? Made by Saxton Hale I hope?

[Saibh]

Boycott? Seriously? How silly. I laughed and laughed at all of the L4D fans that prided themselves over their big boycott movement. They just knew they were sticking it to Valve for not doing exactly what they wanted when they wanted.



And, oh, yeah, what happened? L4D2 did great, fanboys bought it worldwide, congratulations, boycotters.



Can anyone prove to me a scenario when "boycotting" an AAA game worked or had any sort of impact?

[nabokovfan87]

Chris Priestly wrote...

The annoucnement that Dragon Age II was now available on Steam was closed as it became too negative as everyone wanted to dwell on the lack of the Signature Edition, not that it was now on Steam or the currect pre-order items.

Previous threads were closed and directed to one main thread. This was not because of Steam. This is SOP for these forums to keep discussion in one area so everyoen can find it.

This thread can stay open as long as it does not again become too nagative.

The last two posts on the forum thread were people saying they weren't going to buy the game because of what happened.

That is not more or less negative then the previous 14 pages.  "Too negative" means there is a change in the negativity.

Let me just make this clear and simple for Bioware/EA....

I won't be buying DLC for ME2, DA:O, or buying DA2 and ME3 just because of this entire incident.  I did the same thing for COD:MW2 and the same thing for L4D2, both of which I do not own, feel free to check my steam profile if you do not believe me.

The fact that I have made 3 threads all of which do not fall into the topic of "DA2 released on steam" and they were locked up in moments of posting is practically an insult, a cover up in some ways, and more then anything just sheer annoyance.

P.S. As an admin on a forum for a major company, the use of smileys in every post, pm and shouting "LOCKDOWN!" for 1 in 3 threads it seems is very childish and abusive.  Also, "nagative" is spelled "negative".

P.P.S. Steam thread has over 1000 views, one single thread (imagine that) and has a 75/25 "This is bad"/"Stop Whining" response.

[nabokovfan87]

Daewan wrote...

So, is there a thread on the Steam forums with people asking Valve why they couldn't come to terms with EA before the SE offer expired? Were there people on the Steam forums three months ago begging Valve/Steam not to betray their loyal, diehard fans? And if not, why not?

Yes:
 
SE on steam:  http://forums.steamp...d.php?t=1713222 (1k+ views)

$60 is Too much: http://forums.steamp...d.php?t=1713086 (5k+ views)

Modifié par nabokovfan87, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:26 .

[FedericoV]

nabokovfan87 wrote...

I won't be buying DLC for ME2, DA:O, or buying DA2 and ME3 just because of this entire incident.  I did the same thing for COD:MW2 and the same thing for L4D2, both of which I do not own, feel free to check my steam profile if you do not believe me.

And who cares? You value Steam over the game you play thanks to their service? Personally I think that's ridiculous but if you're happy more power to you. But with that post you are really acting like a spoiled child who threatens the parents to hold his breath untill they buy him the new toy. Grow up. You wont' be playing DA2 and ME3? Your loss. In the meanwhile the situation will not change.

[dearlyblvd]

nabokovfan87 wrote...
P.S. As an admin on a forum for a major company, the use of smileys in every post, pm and shouting "LOCKDOWN!" for 1 in 3 threads it seems is very childish and abusive.  Also, "nagative" is spelled "negative".

I already mentioned several times that I don't agree with Eletronic Arts and I'm really disappointed with their decision, but I think that you are being too picky with Chris. The smile that he uses is just his signature and, after all, he is just doing his job. I also read another post where he mistyped a word, but this is just an internet forum and he is human after all. Yeah, if he gets paid for it, then he should write in a formal way, but at least to me his posts are pretty clear.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that I read and post on Steam forum and I think that you guys are over exaggerating there.

Modifié par dearlyblvd, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:44 .

[Merchant2006]

nabokovfan87 wrote...

I won't be buying DLC for ME2, DA:O, or buying DA2 and ME3 just because of this entire incident.  I did the same thing for COD:MW2 and the same thing for L4D2, both of which I do not own, feel free to check my steam profile if you do not believe me.

You do realise that DLC for L4D2 is free on PC (i.e. Steam). *Facepalms*

Modifié par Merchant2006, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:47 .

[Youmu]

Merchant2006 wrote...

You do realise that DLC for L4D2 is free on PC (i.e. Steam). *Facepalms*

L4D2 boycott had nothing to do with DLC. It was a protest for making L4D2, instead of putting the content of L4D2 into L4D as free content updates ála TF2. Lot of the rant was "omg Valve is doing yearly updates why'd I buy L4D2 when they release L4D3 next year!!1", and genuine worry for L4D's future. First game practically died with the release of the second one.

Anyways that's hardly on topic.

Modifié par Youmu, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:54 .

[FedericoV]

Btw, actually Dragon Age 2 is in third place for sales on Steam and only because Chronicle of Riddick is on Steam Sales at 5 €. Pretty nice boycott going on... Bioware and EA won't sleep tonight .

LOL

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 04:07 .

[Addai]

NevronEQ wrote...
Thats not to say that it isn't ok. If there's a niche for it then by all means give it a whirl. We just shouldn't stick Valve and Steam up on a pedistal as some sort of diety worth worshipping, because at the end of the day they only care about one thing. $$$$

Steam is giving people what they want at the right price.  They've earned their place out in front.  It's not like other situations (browsers come to mind) where the huge company has an inferior product they're trying to push on you.  I'm sure it can feel like that with Steam if there's an exclusive DRM arrangement, like with Fallout New Vegas, and you happen to not like Steam.  If they stop being a good outlet, they'll lose customers.

For me the platform is just one consideration, but it does factor in.  You can get a steal of a deal from Downloads R Us, but if you can't play your game when you want to play it, it's not a good value.

[Erode_The_Soul]

All this "lol you worship Steam derp der der" is getting a bit annoying at this point. We like Steam for the same reason we like Bioware; they've proven themselves more than capable regarding the service they provide. It really is that simple. There's no diety, no virginal sacrifices, no slaughtering of animals, no fanboyism and no rioting in the streets.



We're allowed to be disappointed about what transpired here. Whether or not there was ill intent, other options, a grand conspiracy, a greedy douchebag from Steam, a greedy douchebag from Bioware, a deal that didn't come through or whatever doesn't matter. We're disappointed. That's it. And we can be disappointed without being up Valve's keister or damning all who work at Bioware to a life of misery.



Some of you are really creating more drama than necessary about this.

[nabokovfan87]

FedericoV wrote...

nabokovfan87 wrote...

I won't be buying DLC for ME2, DA:O, or buying DA2 and ME3 just because of this entire incident.  I did the same thing for COD:MW2 and the same thing for L4D2, both of which I do not own, feel free to check my steam profile if you do not believe me.

And who cares? You value Steam over the game you play thanks to their service? Personally I think that's ridiculous but if you're happy more power to you. But with that post you are really acting like a spoiled child who threatens the parents to hold his breath untill they buy him the new toy. Grow up. You wont' be playing DA2 and ME3? Your loss. In the meanwhile the situation will not change.

You have no idea why or how much I value the service.  If this was done to amazon, or best buy and everything was a gamestop exclusive I would be just as irritated.  The point being, this was intentional, this was very low class.  All I want is to be able to pay for the content, if that requires paying 20 dollars for the 20 dollars of "extra" content, then so be it, but not giving me the option at all is just plain wrong.

Merchant2006 wrote...

nabokovfan87 wrote...

I won't be buying DLC for ME2, DA:O, or buying DA2 and ME3 just because of this entire incident.  I did the same thing for COD:MW2 and the same thing for L4D2, both of which I do not own, feel free to check my steam profile if you do not believe me.

You do realise that DLC for L4D2 is free on PC (i.e. Steam). *Facepalms*

You do realize that I had said "I won't be buying DLC for ME2, DA:O, or buying...."  I have no issue with l4d2 dlc, it is the 9 month cutting off of l4d and all of that.  This isn't the whole "pc gamers are entitled issue" but that cutting your playerbase so quickly is just not a good decision, especially when you look at stats and considering how many people are playing each game, cs/css are always around 80-90k, tf2 around 15-25k, and l4d was at 10k last I looked.  The playerbase doesn't want it, they just did it in order to make a quick buck, which doesn't fly well.

[FedericoV]

nabokovfan87 wrote...

You have no idea why or how much I value the service.  If this was done to amazon, or best buy and everything was a gamestop exclusive I would be just as irritated.  The point being, this was intentional, this was very low class.  All I want is to be able to pay for the content, if that requires paying 20 dollars for the 20 dollars of "extra" content, then so be it, but not giving me the option at all is just plain wrong.

It's not Bioware's or EA's fault if you value Steam service more than its content. You had alternatives and you choose not to consider them: deal with the consequences and stop blaming someone else but you.

And you have no proof to say that it was intentional or to blame only EA/Bioware and not Steam. Even in that case: those things happens all the time because gaming it's an industry and company are competing for market share. Steam is becoming a monopoly who forces you to install the system on your PC to play certain games and that's never good for gamers.

If you start to boycott each game because of those thing, you will finish to play only indie games.

If money is not an issue, buy the normal version on Steam and the separate DLCs on Bioware store.

Modifié par FedericoV, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:12 .

[FedericoV]

Erode_The_Soul wrote...

We're allowed to be disappointed about what transpired here. Whether or not there was ill intent, other options, a grand conspiracy, a greedy douchebag from Steam, a greedy douchebag from Bioware, a deal that didn't come through or whatever doesn't matter. We're disappointed. That's it. And we can be disappointed without being up Valve's keister or damning all who work at Bioware to a life of misery.

Some of you are really creating more drama than necessary about this.

I've read the parralel post on Steam forums and that's the very thing it's happening. If you are not only Steam fanboy you have no reason to cry about the SE, since you were given all the information needed to make your purchase and you had other opportunities to buy the game at a reasonable price.

[Rage.Shifter]

Saibh wrote...

Boycott? Seriously? How silly. I laughed and laughed at all of the L4D fans that prided themselves over their big boycott movement. They just knew they were sticking it to Valve for not doing exactly what they wanted when they wanted.

And, oh, yeah, what happened? L4D2 did great, fanboys bought it worldwide, congratulations, boycotters.

Can anyone prove to me a scenario when "boycotting" an AAA game worked or had any sort of impact?

That's because Valve released a great product, had multiple sales and released extra free content. What has EA/Bioware done? They were able to regain our trust, I am waiting for EA/Bioware to do the same.

[Rage.Shifter]

FedericoV wrote...

Btw, actually Dragon Age 2 is in third place for sales on Steam and only because Chronicle of Riddick is on Steam Sales at 5 €. Pretty nice boycott going on... Bioware and EA won't sleep tonight .

LOL

Yeah, DA:O Was #1 along with the SE edition taking up #1 and #2 last year.