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[ISpeakTheTruth]

I always find it strange that at the end of Tali's loyalty mission you can suggest the Fleet not attack the Geth so they can help in the fight against the Reapers...Really? I'm sorry but I just don't see in what way the Migrant Fleet would be able to help in any combat role.

Sure there are thousands of ships but they are all old run down ships. Most of those ships aren't even combat ships they only posses a small fighting force reletive to fleet size. The only way they'd be able to help is if they evacuated all the ships and put them on Kamakazi runs and just slammed thousands upon thousands of ships in the Reapers.

So I'm just wondering if anyone else find the idea that the Migrant Fleet is going to do anything even mildy useful?

[Vaenier]

Cannon fodder.

Every shot they take is one less shot hitting your good ships.

Modifié par Vaenier, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:33 .

[StarGateGod]

thousands of ships even with basic mass effect drives are better than nothing. the fleet still has some military ships i believe 5

[kmcd5722]

Vaenier wrote...

Cannon fodder.

Every shot they take is one less shot hitting your good ships.

The quarians would be torn to shreds.  If they settled a new world and started builiding new ships before the Reapers invade, maybe the Migrant Fleet could just be sent out as distraction.

[Sajuro]

 Put them with the cerberus ships and FTL them into the reapers, or commence operation Human Shield while the rest of the ships do the joint operation 'Hide behind Quarians' where the Quarians will try to steer their wreckage and corpses to clog up the Reapers' guns.
Or everyone dresses up as Quarians to make the Reapers think that all the important races already left the Galaxy.

[JuicElawl]

there are 17 million quarians. if 8 million quarians have a combat drone each, they can summon EIGHT MILLION COMBAT DRONES AT ONCE AND DESTROY HARBINGER WITH ONE SHOT!



or not.

[Sajuro]

JuicElawl wrote...

there are 17 million quarians. if 8 million quarians have a combat drone each, they can summon EIGHT MILLION COMBAT DRONES AT ONCE AND DESTROY HARBINGER WITH ONE SHOT!

or not.

Only if they go for the optics all at once.

[StarGateGod]

why do we doubt the combat ability of the quarians? the are very tech specialists

[adam_grif]

kmcd5722 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Cannon fodder.

Every shot they take is one less shot hitting your good ships.

The quarians would be torn to shreds.  If they settled a new world and started builiding new ships before the Reapers invade, maybe the Migrant Fleet could just be sent out as distraction.

So what? If the Quarians are needed to save the galaxy, it doens't matter if every single one of them dies. But of course Bioware won't have the balls to do a choice like that, they'll have six or seven interchangable fleets and you only need three of them to get through the game. And there will be a blue text option when you're talking to the geth to the effect of GIVE THE QUARIANS THEIR HOMEWORLD BACK and they will just be like "OK!"

[Sajuro]

StarGateGod wrote...

why do we doubt the combat ability of the quarians? the are very tech specialists

Because a part of me hopes the Reapers are not Vulnurable to the AI hacking ability, something about that would just be anti climatic. That and the Quarians would be the most powerful race in the galaxy.

[didymos1120]

Lemme see: We're facing genocidal AI starships, which are still very much on the machine end of things. Quarians are renowned galaxy wide as experts on AI, starships, and technology in general. Nah, screw it: they're clearly much more useful getting themselves slaughtered in a hopeless and useless war.

[Sajuro]

adam_grif wrote...

kmcd5722 wrote...

Vaenier wrote...

Cannon fodder.

Every shot they take is one less shot hitting your good ships.

The quarians would be torn to shreds.  If they settled a new world and started builiding new ships before the Reapers invade, maybe the Migrant Fleet could just be sent out as distraction.

So what? If the Quarians are needed to save the galaxy, it doens't matter if every single one of them dies. But of course Bioware won't have the balls to do a choice like that, they'll have six or seven interchangable fleets and you only need three of them to get through the game. And there will be a blue text option when you're talking to the geth to the effect of GIVE THE QUARIANS THEIR HOMEWORLD BACK and they will just be like "OK!"

Because he's commander motherfracking Shepard. If you don't like the blue options then don't use them.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Yeah it seems like the only valid thing the Fleet could do is be a distraction/sheild for the actual fleet attacking the Reapers.Or just crash into Reaper for a few hours and see if that gets through the shields.

[Dean_the_Young]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I always find it strange that at the end of Tali's loyalty mission you can suggest the Fleet not attack the Geth so they can help in the fight against the Reapers...Really? I'm sorry but I just don't see in what way the Migrant Fleet would be able to help in any combat role.

Sure there are thousands of ships but they are all old run down ships. Most of those ships aren't even combat ships they only posses a small fighting force reletive to fleet size. The only way they'd be able to help is if they evacuated all the ships and put them on Kamakazi runs and just slammed thousands upon thousands of ships in the Reapers.

So I'm just wondering if anyone else find the idea that the Migrant Fleet is going to do anything even mildy useful?

Is anyone else with any sort of vague military/civil logistics background as bemused as I am about how someone would question how a million-ship logistical lift force could possibly be mildly useful in a war?

Anyone at all?

[GnusmasTHX]

It's obviously not that simple. Granted they'd need to drop off their non-combatants somewhere, the quarian fleet is still quite formidable, by Citadel-species standards. Otherwise no one would care that they have the largest fleet in the galaxy.

[adam_grif]

Something something BIGGEST FLEET.

[Vaenier]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lemme see: We're facing genocidal AI starships, which are still very much on the machine end of things. Quarians are renowned galaxy wide as experts on AI, starships, and technology in general. Nah, screw it: they're clearly much more useful getting themselves slaughtered in a hopeless and useless war.

Quarians are seperate from their ships. Their ships do not need to be stuffed completely with warm bodies in order for them to be able to take a shot. The Quarains can do their techno stuff all the way behind the scenes, or from the good ships.

[Sajuro]

adam_grif wrote...

Something something BIGGEST FLEET.

Put a Thanix Cannon on each ship that can handle one. If it can only fire once before needing to recharge then they can shoot then pull back as other ships take its place.

[Praetor Knight]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Is anyone else with any sort of vague military/civil logistics background as bemused as I am about how someone would question how a million-ship logistical lift force could possibly be mildly useful in a war?

Anyone at all?

Their true value would be transporting supplies to the front so that all actual warships can be pressed to counter the Reapers head on.

WWII, Trans-Atlanic Style

[ISpeakTheTruth]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lemme see: We're facing genocidal AI starships, which are still very much on the machine end of things. Quarians are renowned galaxy wide as experts on AI, starships, and technology in general. Nah, screw it: they're clearly much more useful getting themselves slaughtered in a hopeless and useless war.

Correction. The Reapers are only half machine, they are as organic as they are inorganic. The Quarians may be experts in the areao of technology. But when compared to the Geth who think faster, are more intellegent, and have access to more resourses and technology the Quarains are at best second.

[Thompson family]

1. One of the admirals says, IIRC, that they will need a home world for their non-combatants if they fight. I think it's the old man o' war if you hang around and talk to him after the verdict. So Quarian ships would not be laden with civilians.

Even if they do nothing but transport troops or help evacuate endangered colonies, they can play a vital role.

2. As a group, Quarians are the most experienced deep space navigators in the galaxy. They're good, even if their ships aren't so hot.

3. As somebody mentioned, a FTL ship is an FTL ship, able to use the Mass Relays. Better to have a scow on the spot than to sit around wishing for a dreadnought you don't have.

4. Is this going to be a straight-up fight, or a hacking attack? We don't know yet. Let's decide how valuable the Quarians are after we have a strategy.

5. The Geth are definitely powerful. They aren't going to fully join the fight, however, as long as the Quarians are waiting in the wings to take back their homeworld.

You get the Geth AND the Quarians, or you don't really get either, I'll bet. You shouldn't try fighting a battle with two of your important allies worried about getting stabbed in the back by the other.

Modifié par Thompson family, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:06 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Is anyone else with any sort of vague military/civil logistics background as bemused as I am about how someone would question how a million-ship logistical lift force could possibly be mildly useful in a war?

Anyone at all?

Their true value would be transporting supplies to the front so that all actual warships can be pressed to counter the Reapers head on.

WWII, Trans-Atlanic Style

Supplies.

And troops.

And refugees.

And hell, just because many aren't armed now doesn't mean they can't be. Nothing short of a Dreadnaught is going to have super-durable shielding in the first place, so the lack of 'not military capable' rather falls through when even military-class ships will be torn to ribbons by the Reapers.

[Nashiktal]

The reapers have so far proven to be immune to "small arms" fire. Only when Sovvy's mass effect core failed was he destroyed by three shots. (One normandy, two fighters)



The key seems to be somehow disabling their core or disrupting their mind. Quarians will have little use outside of fodder or logistics unless you somehow plan on upgrading the entire fleet with thanix cannons.



Hell I doubt any alliance ships have Thanix cannons on them.

[Clover Rider]

didymos1120 wrote...

Lemme see: We're facing genocidal AI starships, which are still very much on the machine end of things. Quarians are renowned galaxy wide as experts on AI, starships, and technology in general. Nah, screw it: they're clearly much more useful getting themselves slaughtered in a hopeless and useless war.

Quarians:You're tearing us apart,didymos1120!