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[BiancoAngelo7]

Whoa its kinda creepy how spot on this video analysis is of the horrid mistakes they made with ME2...

[samurai crusade]

More creepy.... how much time he put into it

[GodWood]

shinobi602 wrote...
This.
I'm just along for the ride, I really enjoy the story. I don't really care that "wtfomgs SCIENCE says this is incorrectz#@$!!"
It's a game....

I really loathe these types of comments/fans.
"WHOAHH DIS IZ TEH BESTEST GAMEZ EVAR"
(reads about the numerous plot, lore and scientific flaws within the game)
"YEAH, WELL, HOO CARES ITS JUST A GAME LOL"

It makes me worry what one my favourite franchises may soon become, especially when the people who establised the setting tried so hard to make it believable..

[JohnnyBeGood2]

samurai crusade wrote...

JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...
i haven't seen smudboy around for a while on these here forums XD, But yeah He has some good points. Someone Needs to fire the writer for ME 2., lest it was karpyshyn then you need to seriously have a talk with him. This guy knows what he's talking about.

I really thought the balance between story, dramatic effect, pace, fps and rhythm was good in ME2... I'm really can't make the jump to "you failed because you failed to use story elements the traditional way".
Smuds points don't make sense to me. But then Drew Karpyshan and his latest novel didn't really excite me either.

If you are curious about indoctrination... the latest novel was fantastic.    The subtlety of it all. How Grayson thought he was doing what he wanted but it really played into the Reaper plans.  Truely amazing.  It kinda gave me a new respect for Saren how he was so blinded by twisted logic.

Indoctrination subtle? - ok. Karpyshans writing subtle? Not so much.
IMO
(I got pretty put off by the rendition of the teenage stiffy for the Teacher.... mawkish much?)

[TheNexus]

This guy is very important for Bioware's feedback, though I kind of wish there was more than one person making these types of videos. As right as he may be, it's only one interpretation and that has its limitations.

[Nightwriter]

More than one person making these types of videos? Right, I'll jump right on that.

Modifié par Nightwriter, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:22 .

[petipas1414]

let's be real,



that illusive man part in the beginning was awesome

[TheNexus]

Nightwriter wrote...

More than one person making these types of videos? Right, I'll jump right on that.

With the music and everything. Thousands of videos.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Wow. Just Wow. Nice job Charlieldom, or should I say Smudboy? So you just sign up as another name after going offline for a long while, and then the first thing you do is create a thread saying that Bioware should take a look at your videos. Seriously? That's the best you could do? Now I would have expected something more unpredictable. I guess you're not as imaginative as you claimed to be.



-Polite

[Fiery Phoenix]

I seriously doubt that's Smud, Polite.

EDIT: Try taking a look at his other posts from his profile. Definitely not Smud -- unless, of course, he's being deceptive, but I doubt it. I still contact him on YouTube for time to time. Last time we talked he basically said it was entirely pointless posting on the forum when everybody "doesn't get him", but I think he might return once ME3 surfaces.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 16 janvier 2011 - 09:02 .

[Clover Rider]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I seriously doubt that's Smud, Polite.

EDIT: Try taking a look at his other posts from his profile. Definitely not Smud -- unless, of course, he's being deceptive, but I doubt it. I still contact him on YouTube for time to time. Last time we talked he basically said it was entirely pointless posting on the forum when everybody "doesn't get him", but I think he might return once ME3 surfaces.

Tell him I hate him:bandit:.

[Fiery Phoenix]

LOL

[Phaedon]

GodWood wrote...
I really loathe these types of comments/fans.
"WHOAHH DIS IZ TEH BESTEST GAMEZ EVAR"
(reads about the numerous plot, lore and scientific flaws within the game)
"YEAH, WELL, HOO CARES ITS JUST A GAME LOL"

It makes me worry what one my favourite franchises may soon become, especially when the people who establised the setting tried so hard to make it believable..

How much did you hate Star Trek/Star Wars/Battl..

Oh wait, they all have ficton. At least the ME universe is more down to earth.

[Phaedon]

Nonsense. As soon as you become a Spectre, the plot swithces to finding the Conduit, which is all about the return of the Reapers. Don't try to spin it to support your arguement. The Reapers were the plot. Saren and the Geth were subplots. That's why the game isn't over when you defeat Saren.



I'd say ME2 was a spectacular game on it's own. But it didn't feel like a sequel to the first game, it felt like a spin off. ME3, based on the trailer, looks to be a direct sequel to the first game.

No

The reference to the Reapers in ME1 was so little that it was disappointing, considering that it was about to start the trilogy. In fact, one could argue that the Protheans were the main plot, and not the Reapers. ME1's main plot was stopping Saren, ME2's main plot was build a team and take down the Collectors. I also like how in your definition main equals to 5%

Mass Effect 1 was about constantly discovering pieces of a puzzle, everyone and everything that happens is part of a larger story the Reapers, where both the question and anwser in that story, and it isn't finished yet we expected this story to contiue in Mass effect 2, but it didn't



In Mass effect 2 added nothing really imported to this story, as i said before the whole goal of the game is to show us a footage of the Reapers returning, at the end none of the events really mattered or can be cared about.



The Collectors were not an serious addition to the over arching story of Mass Effect at all because they fail both from a story perspective and a developer perspective.

lolno. This is the last time I am telling this to you, because you seem to like roaming around threads, posting the exact same thing, being proven wrong and still continuing.

ME2 did reveal pieces of the puzzle. We know what happenned to the Protheans, the true nature of the Reapers, some hints as to their motives, the reveal of TIM, and finally that the Reapers are starting their attack. Where did ME1 leave us? To a point that we were preparing to save the galaxy without knowing what the rest of the Reapers were doing.

[HBC Dresden]

I'll say what I said long time ago when this first came out: for every right-on point smudboy hits, he says another point I flatly disagree with, either because I disagree with his opinion, he gets his facts wrong, or he doesn't make the common sense connections. BioWare should watch this, but be able to dismiss all the ****y aspects. In the end, despite the purpose of the video, or maybe it was the point of the video, all this fuels is polarizing and useless debate

Modifié par HBC Dresden, 16 janvier 2011 - 09:52 .

[GodWood]

Phaedon wrote...

GodWood wrote...
I really loathe these types of comments/fans.
"WHOAHH DIS IZ TEH BESTEST GAMEZ EVAR"
(reads about the numerous plot, lore and scientific flaws within the game)
"YEAH, WELL, HOO CARES ITS JUST A GAME LOL"

It makes me worry what one my favourite franchises may soon become, especially when the people who establised the setting tried so hard to make it believable..

How much did you hate Star Trek/Star Wars/Battl..

Oh wait, they all have ficton. At least the ME universe is more down to earth.

Never liked Star Trek and never saw Star Wars as a sci fi that tried to be realistic.
Mass Effect on the other hand did at least try to be realistic as possible and when it didn't it at least tried to explain the theory and science behind it.
This changed however when they through in the cure for death, the ability to walk in any environment in just your casuals and human goo powered Reapers without even a hint of reason as to how or why.
Aside from of course the rule of cool

[shinobi602]

GodWood wrote...
I really loathe these types of comments/fans.
"WHOAHH DIS IZ TEH BESTEST GAMEZ EVAR"
(reads about the numerous plot, lore and scientific flaws within the game)
"YEAH, WELL, HOO CARES ITS JUST A GAME LOL"

It makes me worry what one my favourite franchises may soon become, especially when the people who establised the setting tried so hard to make it believable..

Probably because I'm nowhere near as nitpicky as you are when it comes to playing games, thank God.

The "flaws" and plotholes are so insignificant and miniscule in my view, they don't even affect my enjoyment of the rich universe that Bioware has created with Mass Effect. It is EASILY believable enough. Stupid things like "It's impossible to bring a human back to life" or wearing suits and skin exposure in vacuum and whatnot don't even matter to me. Oh **** the game's ruined now!!

Everything else is so great, they far, FARRRR outweigh the little things. I've had enough of your pessimistic and condescending posts, in EVERY thread. That's all you do is nitpick. You can go dissect every element of the game if you want, I'll be immersing myself in the lore and enjoying it, thanks.

Modifié par shinobi602, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:02 .

[Nightwriter]

Phaedon wrote...

ME2 did reveal pieces of the puzzle. We know what happenned to the Protheans, the true nature of the Reapers, some hints as to their motives, the reveal of TIM, and finally that the Reapers are starting their attack. Where did ME1 leave us? To a point that we were preparing to save the galaxy without knowing what the rest of the Reapers were doing.

I have to agree with Phaedon here, ME2 did all of these things. I just do not think it did them well.

But they are there, and I don't see much point in denying it.

[Winterfly]

Oh For ****s sake. You bring in this dimwit guy.



He seemingly barely payed any notice, to anything at all.



Also, I could rip Dragone Age to pieces, almost every single movie and game can be ripped apart. Don't overdo things. We must consider that these days ,especially with the big company owning the smaller,! Everything will be rushed and minor polish that maybe would been tossed in have not been tossed in. The development of DLC in gaming is clearly a sign that "We where not finished with the game so we have to tell you to buy these addons for 1/6 of full price game"

[Someone With Mass]

shinobi602 wrote...
Probably because I'm nowhere near as nitpicky as you are when it comes to playing games, thank God.

The "flaws" and plotholes are so insignificant and miniscule in my view, they don't even affect my enjoyment of the rich universe that Bioware has created with Mass Effect. It is EASILY believable enough. Stupid things like "It's impossible to bring a human back to life" or wearing suits and skin exposure in vacuum and whatnot don't even matter to me. Oh **** the game's ruined now!!

Everything else is so great, they far, FARRRR outweigh the little things. I've had enough of your pessimistic and condescending posts, in EVERY thread. That's all you do is nitpick. You can go dissect every element of the game if you want, I'll be immersing myself in the lore and enjoying it, thanks.

This.

Even if some details bugs me a bit, I can still enjoy the game for what it is as a whole.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:12 .

[Aimi]

Hey, if I could ignore flaws in the storyline and disconnects between lore and gameplay in the first Mass Effect game, I can do it for the second one.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I seriously doubt that's Smud, Polite.

EDIT: Try taking a look at his other posts from his profile. Definitely not Smud -- unless, of course, he's being deceptive, but I doubt it. I still contact him on YouTube for time to time. Last time we talked he basically said it was entirely pointless posting on the forum when everybody "doesn't get him", but I think he might return once ME3 surfaces.

I've seen his profile, and recent activity. That's why I think it's him.

-Polite

[Sable Phoenix]

Someone With Mass wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...
>snip<

Everything else is so great, they
far, FARRRR outweigh the little things. I've had enough of your
pessimistic and condescending posts, in EVERY thread. That's all you do
is nitpick. You can go dissect every element of the game if you want,
I'll be immersing myself in the lore and enjoying it, thanks.

This.

Even if some details bugs me a bit, I can still enjoy the game for what it is as a whole.

Would that be the actually reading the lore as set forth in the first game, or just playing the second game which outright ignores large swathes of the lore you want to immerse yourself in?

Lore is only good when it's consistent.  Mass Effect 2 may be many things, but consistent is not one of them.

(Neither is great, by the way.  Good, yes, but not great.)

I used to be in the Mass-Effect-2-is-great-and-the-flaws-are-minor-and-easily-overlooked camp too.  Then I sat down and really thought about the story and what was accomplished by it when you look beneath the shooting and the running and the talking, and I came to the conclusion that it was, ultimately, nothing much.  In the end, it was as much disappointing as it was fun.

Modifié par Sable Phoenix, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:22 .

[GodWood]

shinobi602 wrote...
Probably because I'm nowhere near as nitpicky as you are when it comes to playing games, thank God.

Dude, I play JRPGs. I can handle completely unbelievability and inconsistency.
I do however prefer it when the game provides a fleshed out universe with a rich lore that presents itself in a realistic manner.
The Mass Effect universe does this.
But suddenly it seems that realism seems to keep getting pushed aside for no other reason than just shock value or cool [see rule of cool]

The "flaws" and plotholes are so insignificant and miniscule in my view, they don't even affect my enjoyment of the rich universe that Bioware has created with Mass Effect.

I'm sorry but I can't see them as insignificant and miniscule when they are such major plot points in the game.
e.g)Shepard's death and the revelation that Reapers need species "essence" to reproduce... 

It is EASILY believable enough.

lol

Stupid things like "It's impossible to bring a human back to life" or wearing suits and skin exposure in vacuum and whatnot don't even matter to me. Oh **** the game's ruined now!!

These do negatively impact on the quality of the game and hinder my enjoyment yes so I vocalize these flaws in hope that Bioware will not make the same mistake again.
You don't seem to care whether the plot's believable or not so why should bother you if fans want plot holes and lore inconsistencies fixed.
You'll enjoy it none the less.

Everything else is so great, they far, FARRRR outweigh the little things. I've had enough of your pessimistic and condescending posts, in EVERY thread. That's all you do is nitpick.

I honestly don't know wht your talking about as I rarely go into to much detail in these types of threads as I know others are far better at pointing out the flaws that need to be fixed better than I. 
You must be confusing me with someone else.

You can go dissect every element of the game if you want, I'll be immersing myself in the lore and enjoying it, thanks.

Clearly you and I have very definitions of immersing one's self in the lore.