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[Aimi]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Would that be the actual lore as set forth in the first game, or just playing the second game which outright ignores large swathes of the lore you want to immerse yourself in?

Lore is only good when it's consistent.  Mass Effect 2 may be many things, but consistent is not one of them.

(Neither is great, by the way.  Good, yes, but not great.)

Hey, you know, I thought the fact that biotics had to take a sip from an energy drink or munch on a Power Bar after every fight in Mass Effect was a nice touch.  Slowed down gameplay a fair bit, but at least they kept it consistent with the lore.

[shinobi602]

It doesn't bother me at all, that's why I posted that I'm along for the ride and enjoy everything about Mass Effect very much. I was responding to your post.



We agree to disagree, I don't feel like arguing really. I'm the type of person who enjoys just about everything in life, and it doesn't take much for me to have loads of fun and love a good videogame and story. That might be a good or bad thing in your view, but I personally prefer to think I enjoy a good time and not let the little things in stories get to me.



As long as at least 80 to 90% of a story makes sense, I'm allll good.

[Nightwriter]

I don't know, all this focus on plotholes and such...

ME1 had plotholes, yet I enjoyed it. I don't think plotholes, in and of themselves, are the problem.

[GodWood]

Poor execution and lack of explanation

[Aimi]

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know, all this focus on plotholes and such...

ME1 had plotholes, yet I enjoyed it. I don't think plotholes, in and of themselves, are the problem.

Maybe the search for objective metrics to quantify certain elements of game experience like immersion is really, really, really stupid and facile?

[Count Viceroy]

shinobi602 wrote...

Probably because I'm nowhere near as nitpicky as you are when it comes to playing games, thank God.

The "flaws" and plotholes are so insignificant and miniscule in my view, they don't even affect my enjoyment of the rich universe that Bioware has created with Mass Effect. It is EASILY believable enough. Stupid things like "It's impossible to bring a human back to life" or wearing suits and skin exposure in vacuum and whatnot don't even matter to me. Oh **** the game's ruined now!!

Everything else is so great, they far, FARRRR outweigh the little things. I've had enough of your pessimistic and condescending posts, in EVERY thread. That's all you do is nitpick. You can go dissect every element of the game if you want, I'll be immersing myself in the lore and enjoying it, thanks.

Well said. This forum should really be called the nitpicking forum.

[Praetor Knight]

GodWood wrote...

Poor execution and lack of explanation

IMHO, lack of explanation would not be a plot hole.



Dunno 'bout execution though. I thought it was good.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:37 .

[Nightwriter]

daqs wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know, all this focus on plotholes and such...

ME1 had plotholes, yet I enjoyed it. I don't think plotholes, in and of themselves, are the problem.

Maybe the search for objective metrics to quantify certain elements of game experience like immersion is really, really, really stupid and facile?

On the contrary, intersubjectivity is a common and omnipresent enough phenomenon that it's quite reasonable we'd find common subjective causes for our common subjective experiences.

[Praetor Knight]

Nightwriter wrote...

daqs wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know, all this focus on plotholes and such...

ME1 had plotholes, yet I enjoyed it. I don't think plotholes, in and of themselves, are the problem.

Maybe the search for objective metrics to quantify certain elements of game experience like immersion is really, really, really stupid and facile?

On the contrary, intersubjectivity is a common and omnipresent enough phenomenon that it's quite reasonable we'd find common subjective causes for our common subjective experiences.

“For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.” - Vincent van Gogh.

[GodWood]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Poor execution and lack of explanation

IMHO, lack of explanation would not be a plot hole.

Nor would I, it contributes to poor execution.

Dunno 'bout execution though. I thought it was good.

How?

[Nightwriter]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

daqs wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

I don't know, all this focus on plotholes and such...

ME1 had plotholes, yet I enjoyed it. I don't think plotholes, in and of themselves, are the problem.

Maybe the search for objective metrics to quantify certain elements of game experience like immersion is really, really, really stupid and facile?

On the contrary, intersubjectivity is a common and omnipresent enough phenomenon that it's quite reasonable we'd find common subjective causes for our common subjective experiences.

“For my part I know nothing with any certainty, but the sight of the stars makes me dream.” - Vincent van Gogh.

"When one admits that nothing is certain one must, I think, also add that some things are more nearly certain than others." - Bertrand Russell

Modifié par Nightwriter, 16 janvier 2011 - 10:45 .

[Aimi]

And certainty breeds intolerance, and a witty saying proves nothing. 

Nightwriter wrote...

On the contrary, intersubjectivity is a common and omnipresent enough phenomenon that it's quite reasonable we'd find common subjective causes for our common subjective experiences.

And some of us are.  Plot holes aren't really something subjective, though, are they?

[Praetor Knight]

GodWood wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Dunno 'bout execution though. I thought it was good.

How?

Well, since so much happens over 20+ hours that you, as the player, can control, Bioware seemed to do a great job in allowing the player steer the character of Shepard within their story, IMHO.

Then you can continue that story in ME2.

Nevertheless, I maybe too easy to please with how the two games played out.

[Nightwriter]

daqs wrote...

And certainty breeds intolerance, and a witty saying proves nothing. 

I beg your pardon, this is a bona fide quote war, what you meant to counter with is:

"If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end in doubts; but if he will be content to begin with doubts, he shall end in certainties." - Francis Bacon

daqs wrote...

And some of us are.  Plot holes aren't really something subjective, though, are they?

Ah, but how much they hurt the overall game is.

[Praetor Knight]

Nightwriter wrote...

"When one admits that nothing is certain one must, I think, also add that some things are more nearly certain than others." - Bertrand Russell

“You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, 'Why not?'” George Bernard Shaw

[Nightwriter]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

"When one admits that nothing is certain one must, I think, also add that some things are more nearly certain than others." - Bertrand Russell

“You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, 'Why not?'” George Bernard Shaw

*eyes quote critically*

Hmm. Much like I did not feel the continuity between ME1 to ME2, I am not exactly sure how this quote is appropriate to the theme of certainty and the dichotomy between objectivity and subjectivity around which our quote war was centered.

[Praetor Knight]

Nightwriter wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

"When one admits that nothing is certain one must, I think, also add that some things are more nearly certain than others." - Bertrand Russell

“You see things; and you say, 'Why?' But I dream things that never were; and I say, 'Why not?'” George Bernard Shaw

*eyes quote critically*

Hmm. Much like I did not feel the continuity between ME1 to ME2, I am not exactly sure how this quote is appropriate to the theme of certainty and the dichotomy between objectivity and subjectivity around which our quote war was centered.

Well, "I know that I know nothing" - Socrates

Maybe, I'm just easily confused by literary criticism.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Arsix wrote...

Hm. I agree with him on some points. The lack of story is really unsettling. I liked his idea about the collector general being the antagonist. Shepard being the only one to understand the Prothean language could have also been implemented into the plot somehow.

Some of his character analysis is true as well, and certainly interesting. However, he's being a little bit too harsh in the cases of characters he obviously dislikes for whatever reason. Yes, it's true that recruiting all these people makes no sense whatsoever, but calling some of them more meaningless than others makes his previous argument obsolete. If recruiting people to take down the collector base is ridiculous, then how can some characters be more redundant than others? 

He was critiquing their benefit to the plot and objection. Thane and Kasumi may be quite intriguing characters but they serve absolutely no purpose. Thane is useless in the Suicide Mission and recruiting a master thief is unnecessary since we are not intending to steal from the Collectors. I believe his disdain for Grunt is a combination of poor development and nitpicking. Grunt was your cliched brute with the minimalist amount of depth. Admittedly, his constant criticism for BioWare calling Grunt, Pure was a bit trite.

Ultimately, he foresaw what many here already have. Less characters would have meant further development for the remaining cast.

[Phaedon]

Nightwriter wrote...
I have to agree with Phaedon here, ME2 did all of these things. I just do not think it did them well.

But they are there, and I don't see much point in denying it.

Wait, you agree with me? How is this possible! :happy:

GodWood wrote...
Never liked Star Trek and never saw Star Wars as a sci fi that tried to be realistic.
Mass Effect on the other hand did at least try to be realistic as possible and when it didn't it at least tried to explain the theory and science behind it. 
This changed however when they through in the cure for death, the ability to walk in any environment in just your casuals and human goo powered Reapers without even a hint of reason as to how or why.
Aside from of course the rule of cool

I see. While I find Shepard's resurrection possible, I have to agree with you on the most part.

Wait, I agree with GodWood too. What the hell is going on!  (j/k)

Modifié par Phaedon, 16 janvier 2011 - 02:18 .

[Fromyou]

this guy is a red letter media wannabe

[commandoclone87]

nutshell43 wrote...

Pwner1323 wrote...

I loved ME2's story more then ME1's. It's not because of blind fandom but becuause you get to...

1. Work with a splinter cell that actually gets **** done

Yeah, in ME1 you're doing what exactly? Saving the galaxy? How pedestrian. In ME2 you're stopping a bunch of mindless slaves attacking humanity with one ship that in the end gets killed off by a scout frigate. Great.

Actually, most Frigates are able to land planetside. The Normandy SR-2 is twice the size of the SR-1 and is no longe capable of landing on a planet. I believe while the design may be a frigate, the size alone may be putting at a cruiser class. That it is more heavily armed and armoured is another reason why the SR-2 is not a scout frigate and was capable of taking on a slower dreadnought class starship.

Modifié par commandoclone87, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:36 .

[xlavaina]

I dunno about you guys but I thought his reviews were quite accurate. They were a little nit picky, but overall I thought they were well thought out; at least most of it was.



Also his character reviews are quite funny and much more accurate than the game review itself.

[Spornicus]

Anyone who uploads a 60 minute analysis of a game is a closet fan, I don't care what you say.

[Sajuro]

I did like the Wilson bit, didn't watch past the first video because you've seen one 'ME2's story sucked!' video/thread/comment/bathroom stall graffiti, you've seen them all.

[Sajuro]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Dunno 'bout execution though. I thought it was good.

How?

Well, since so much happens over 20+ hours that you, as the player, can control, Bioware seemed to do a great job in allowing the player steer the character of Shepard within their story, IMHO.

Then you can continue that story in ME2.

Nevertheless, I maybe too easy to please with how the two games played out.

Nothing wrong with being pleased by its story  people just tend to over analyze things instead of sitting back and relaxing.