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[RiouHotaru]

Nightwriter wrote...

More than one person making these types of videos? Right, I'll jump right on that.

I'll do it.  I was actually about ready to take Smudboy's video analysis and rip it a new one with a counter-analysis.

[Lunatic LK47]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

More than one person making these types of videos? Right, I'll jump right on that.

I'll do it.  I was actually about ready to take Smudboy's video analysis and rip it a new one with a counter-analysis.

Please do. You'll have a year's supply of beer.

[Nightwriter]

Sajuro wrote...

I did like the Wilson bit, didn't watch past the first video because you've seen one 'ME2's story sucked!' video/thread/comment/bathroom stall graffiti, you've seen them all.

(smugly) My graffiti is the brightest and prettiest and comes in vivid eye catching pink.

[BiancoAngelo7]

I don't understand why people are so up in arms over this video analysis.



The guy makes very good, very well defined points that are objective flaws with the story and have NEVER been addressed by the devs, as if they think it's all great and they didn't do anything wrong with the story. There are lots and lots of fans that look at the story and premise of ME2 and just want to cry.

[Nightwriter]

They're up in arms about it because they think it's overly critical and contributes to the bad rap ME2 gets.

[morrie23]

Twenty Sided does a good plot analysis, again it's one persons opinion, but it put's into words a lot of the issue many have with ME2.

Modifié par morrie23, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:45 .

[Sandbox47]

So is this over? Did we stop discussing this pointless nitpicking thing? Because it's really annoying how this has divided the gamers into three groups. Agree/disagree/don't care.

Whatever smudboy is, he's lousy at psychology. Clearly he meant to improve the game by giving BioWare advice, instead he managed to force the flaws of the game (which are heavily outweighted by the good parts) into brigter light.

None of what has really been said on this thread means anything for the full picture, QED, there's no point for this discussion.

[Estelindis]

You know, in spite of the fact that these videos have been mentioned before, this is the first time I've watched them. They're far better than I expected and raise many excellent points.

[Babli]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I don't understand why people are so up in arms over this video analysis.

The guy makes very good, very well defined points that are objective flaws with the story and have NEVER been addressed by the devs, as if they think it's all great and they didn't do anything wrong with the story. There are lots and lots of fans that look at the story and premise of ME2 and just want to cry.

This. ME 2 is not sequel, its reboot. If they want to make ME 3 more like second game, Mass Effect will never be a trilogy for me. Just one awesome game.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Sandbox47 wrote...

So is this over? Did we stop discussing this pointless nitpicking thing? Because it's really annoying how this has divided the gamers into three groups. Agree/disagree/don't care.
Whatever smudboy is, he's lousy at psychology. Clearly he meant to improve the game by giving BioWare advice, instead he managed to force the flaws of the game (which are heavily outweighted by the good parts) into brigter light.
None of what has really been said on this thread means anything for the full picture, QED, there's no point for this discussion.

Why would he not criticize the bad? That is what a critic does. There is no discussion if everyone agrees everything is awesome because praise is redundant. Coincidently, he does claim the characters are some of the best in gaming and with intriguing stories. His qualm is the plot and it not going anywhere. Which... is accurate. ME2's plot was simply poor and he explains precisely why.

Frankly, while yes he may nitpick a bit too much. I believe the majority of dislike comes from the fact he attacked ME2. Regardless, YMMV I suppose.

Modifié par Bourne Endeavor, 17 janvier 2011 - 01:50 .

[Da_Lion_Man]

Even though he nitpicks, he does have some good points and he worked hard on this analysis.

It's a great watch if you ask me, though.



Same counts for Twenty Sided.

[Vaenier]

morrie23 wrote...

Twenty Sided does a good plot analysis, again it's one persons opinion, but it put's into words a lot of the issue many have with ME2.

Was a good read. And he summed it up nicely, it was a great game that was brought down by a bad plot.

[armass]

I think the collectors were pretty good enemies, but then again i had read the ascension, which kinda padded them out more. problem was they could have done a little more with them than just faceless encounters 3 different times, like maybe discover them on side missions (other than that 1 prothean beacon). Fighting them more times than this and having them attack the normandy multiple times and speaking to Shepard or their crew would have upped their threat as villains. Also i think the Ashley/kaidan encounter was done lazily. Would have been much more dramatic if collectors would have taken them along with other humans on Horizon. Also the collector ship part--- an obvious trap... only an imbecil wouldn´t have figured it.

I also saw some early drafts about collector homeworlds, that depicted them as deceptive paradise that feeded the captives to reaper ships. I think this would have been alot better place to explore, than a lone boring collector base that melted humans to black goo to make a huge space terminator.

Also there was no Saren like antagonist and dialogue present, which hurt the plot too, however 2 villains were developed to be potential ones in the 3rd game: Harbinger and the illusive man. I think the sqaud was very well done and their "daddy issue" storys were enjoyable.

Modifié par armass, 17 janvier 2011 - 06:32 .

[Halo Quea]

Estelindis wrote...

You know, in spite of the fact that these videos have been mentioned before, this is the first time I've watched them. They're far better than I expected and raise many excellent points.

I finally checked them out myself as well.   It's interesting that so many people are made upset by them because he raises some very valid arguments.

I think ME2 really came down to Cinematic Polish vs Character Driven Substance.   Polish clearly won the battle in Bioware's mind as the character development and some plot devices don't often work well or make the greatest sense,  and requires a greater suspension of disbelief. 

It's really hard to imagine that Cerberus just sat around waiting for Shepard to wake up before they decided they should deal directly with the Collectors.  And that Shepard of all people would be "their man" for the job.   It's also quite a stretch to accept the concept of a group of bad asses and one lone ship taking out the Collectors with one punch. 

Hopefully Bioware will give us a little more credit next time.

[DarthSliver]

Well one main problem to me about Mass Effect 2 is scanning the planet for resources. I dont like that you have hold the left bottom trigger down to scan the planet. Wouldve been better if all you had to do is tap it and than you just moved the left stick around looking. That is the main reason most of the people that play and like Mass Effect 1 and 2 hate about getting the resources.

[The Chosen Predator]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

I don't understand why people are so up in arms over this video analysis.

The guy makes very good, very well defined points that are objective flaws with the story and have NEVER been addressed by the devs, as if they think it's all great and they didn't do anything wrong with the story. There are lots and lots of fans that look at the story and premise of ME2 and just want to cry.

I don't either but it's most likely nerd rage people don't want to hear anything negative about ME2, but I really love things like this which are in a constructive manner and can only give the developers some more insight - so I really don't get what the big deal is we all still love biowares games but the story and a few things could of been more solid.