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[AbsolutGrndZer0]

So, I was just thinking about and wondering what everyone's opinions were on the whole Fox News vs. Mass Effect controversy?

I just actually for the first time actually watched the report ( ), and I was just disgusted at how the "expert was given free reign to bash the game, yet when the Spike TV guy asked her Have you played the game? she admitted she hadn't, and then the host of the show pretty much blew him off with "OH we have to be ending this" but then they continued to talk, keeping him out of the discussion, for 2 more minutes!!!

I've always thought and I thought it again tonight... So many times I have seen reviews of video games by "watch groups" and such, and you ask them the very question he asked them... "Have you played the game?" and the answer is always "No."   If you haven't played the game or you haven't seen the movie, then STFU people!!!

Also, they just totally misrepresent the "sex scene" like it's some pornographic thing complete with nipples and male parts, when it isn't.

Bioware kept the characters in their underwear in DAO and ME2 to keep the same "OMG NUDITY" cries from happening, but was that really necessary? IMO those that continue to think video games are for kids are going to find something to enforce thier narrow minded views no matter what companies do.  Actually, I"m suprised the watchgroups didn't cry bloody murder at Dragon Age Awakening for the final boss having the upper torso of a totally nude human female complete with nipples.

[TheRealIncarnal]

I think it's fairly safe to say that the whole thing turned out to be quite a fizzle. Hopefully Bioware makes the scenes more like the ones from Mass Effect than Dragon Age or ME2 for their future games. Honestly, I thought that the ones from Mass Effect where pretty much perfect for how videogames can tastefully approach the subject matter.

[Kane-Corr]

And look at Heavy Rain....you can freakin' control the actual scene and interact with the character......now, I'm not sure if this was bashed on by Fox news or any other newsstation, but if it wasn't, then shame on the media. Mass Effect was tastefully done, and was less harmful than a PG-13 movie nowadays!

[Tachai03]

Fox News is full of crap; come on. They totally freaked out about internet trolls with their "Anonymous" report, and they've overexaggerated and fabricated the extent of ME 1's love scene.



They're retarded, what can you expect?

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Yeah, I mean as I said, I never actually saw the news reports back two years ago, but watching them now it's like STFU if you haven't played it. It's like if you look up the story Glenn Beck did about "Grand Theft Auto Morality" he's all talking about how you can cut cops in half with a chainsaw. REally? Did he use some PC version chainsaw mod? Where can I get it? (I'm joking, I don't own GTAIV on PC, i have 360 version though) and other stuff that just proves he has not a ****king clue what he's talking about, and every person on his panel agrees with him, he has no devil's advocate even. Then Jack Thompson is all "OMG the ESRB wants to corrupt your children they purposely gave it a M rating instead of an AO when they should have and this is a criminal act and I will be suing them and Walmart!!" The guy who posted the video on youtube had popup comments, one of which pointed out that the ONLY difference between M and AO is that you can't buy AO games at most stores, but you can order them online. The fact that you legally must be 18 is the same for both M and AO. So, really there's no difference other than most retail stores refusing to sell an AO game.

Oh and even funnier is Glenn Beck's report  how killers use games like Counterstrike (and now I guess Call of Duty?) to TRAIN to kill people... cause I know that playing Mass Effect taught ME how to fire a gun in real life! Just from playing it I know how to handle the kick of an AK-47 on full automatic and my aim is so great that every bullet I fire will hit my target IN REAL LIFE!

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:18 .

[rma2110]

Nudity and sex in an M rated game? How dare they? We know this game is meant for adults and any responsible parent can simply turn on the parental controls and not buy the game, but still! Sex and nudity? For shame! We want violence and gore and blood. We can't have people doing anything to each other that might feel good. That is just wrong, and it's for wussies.





Seriously, I ought to thank the idiots at FOX News. They brought the game to my attention and are one of the reasons `i ended up buying it.

[Xero Striker]

Going a bit off topic, I was kinda disappointed by ME2's love scenes. They weren't very dynamic and lacked theatrics.



I hope BioWare makes more intimate scenes on a physical as well as emotional scale for ME3

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

X-Striker wrote...

Going a bit off topic, I was kinda disappointed by ME2's love scenes. They weren't very dynamic and lacked theatrics.

I hope BioWare makes more intimate scenes on a physical as well as emotional scale for ME3

Actually, you are not off topic at all. This controversy is the REASON ME2's love scenes suffered.

[titusrsoooooo1337]

What made ME1's love scenes so effective was that it was immersive and realistic...and hot. the whole controversy is just bull**** because they're trying to play it off as being targetted at 12 year olds...while there is in fact an M lable on the front. Fox has a way of lying in every possible news cast they've done in the last 10 years and this just goes to show the political fallout it can cause. Heavy Rain had more nudity and had controllable sex, and the soboteur had full frontal nudity. if bioware doesnt realize they're in the safe zone at this point, theres gonna be alot of unhappy hermits out there.

[Ja5ck]

 C'mon guys, it's Fox News, everyone knows they'll misrepresent anything to get viewers. And the people who take Fox News seriously (*cough* Glenn Beck *cough*) are people that I don't care about in terms of opinion or otherwise.

[Xero Striker]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Actually, you are not off topic at all. This controversy is the REASON ME2's love scenes suffered.

I completely agree with that. I hope that I'm not stating any spoilers, but being like most other guys (I think) I romanced Miranda, for obvious reasons, but when I got to her romance love scene, I was kinda disappointed. Sure it was passable, but I would've liked it to be much more intimate than what was presented.

Also, if you guys haven't checked this out, it's sure to give some laughs: www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/18-Mass-Effect

[patocerda]

Here's hoping BioWare learned from it, and will get back to the roots of the romance we saw on the first ME. Maybe even better, I hope. Do not be scared of misinformed people, BioWare!

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

patocerda wrote...

Here's hoping BioWare learned from it, and will get back to the roots of the romance we saw on the first ME. Maybe even better, I hope. Do not be scared of misinformed people, BioWare!

Yeah, though unfortunately misinformed people breed like rabbits.  By this I mean that people will hear OMG SEXNUDITYPORN In Mass Effect and beleive it to be true cause someone on Fox News said it, so they will then tell others, continuing the vicious cycle of misinformed people.

Actually, to really see the whole misinformation blown out of the water cluster****, check out this video from Glenn Beck featuring Jack Thompson (as I said in a previous post, apparently he's suing Walmart because they are in a grand conspiracy with the ESRB to market AO games to our children with the innocent M rating)  where they get the right idea of GTAIV, but show that they never actually played the game hence making their opinions moot, and then the whole training idea that I also mentioned on my post above is here too...

Oh and also I said before, this video has no "devil's advocate" or anyone to offer the "gamer" side of the equation... all are "experts' that know how evil and corrupting video games are.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 janvier 2011 - 05:54 .

[Herr Sovereign]

You see more suggestive nudity in basic cable nowadays. It astonishes me how our natural bodies can be such a taboo for certain regions of the world, yet for others not so much. I know it is based on cultures and values, but seriously, why the outcry? Sure they pull out the emergency child card every single chance they get, but there is a reason why it is a mature video game. For mature adults.

Do not get me wrong, I do not want Mass Effect to turn out to be a porno in space, but at least give us the same magnitude of the scene that we were able to see in the first game into Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Herr Sovereign, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:13 .

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

X-Striker wrote...

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Actually, you are not off topic at all. This controversy is the REASON ME2's love scenes suffered.

I completely agree with that. I hope that I'm not stating any spoilers, but being like most other guys (I think) I romanced Miranda, for obvious reasons, but when I got to her romance love scene, I was kinda disappointed. Sure it was passable, but I would've liked it to be much more intimate than what was presented.

Also, if you guys haven't checked this out, it's sure to give some laughs: www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/18-Mass-Effect

Hilarious video, and yeah I romanced Miranda and had a fling with Jack on my renegade male.  My paragon female i actually romanced Jacob, but now wish I hadn't cause of Lair of the Shadow Broker, Liara was not happy that I'd cheated on her LOL.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Herr Sovereign wrote...

You see more suggestive nudity in basic cable nowadays. It astonishes me how our natural bodies can be such a taboo for certain regions of the world, yet for others not so much. I know it is based on cultures and values, but seriously, why the outcry? Sure they pull out the emergency child card every single chance they get, but there is a reason why it is a mature video game. For mature adults.

Do not get me wrong, I do not want Mass Effect to turn out to be a porno in space, but at least give us the same magnitude of the scene that we were able to see in the first game into Mass Effect 3.

Yeah, I still think American values are messed up.   Parents will let their children watch a movie where a girl is shot in the head, yet they will not let them watch a XXX movie (or even a tamer scene like that in Mass Effect!)? I am not saying children should be watching XXX movies, but neither should they be watching a movie that is ultra-violent either.  Yet, many parents DO let their children watch the ultra-violent movies, but never the porno because violence is ok, but sex is bad.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 janvier 2011 - 06:18 .

[CodeMyster]

The best part was how they bashed the woman's book on Amazon making reviews and tags with words I cannot quote here lol.

[ObserverStatus]

I think the latest James Bond movie was more revealing than ME1.

[thepiebaker]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Yeah, I still think American values are messed up.   Parents will let their children watch a movie where a girl is shot in the head, yet they will not let them watch a XXX movie (or even a tamer scene like that in Mass Effect!)? I am not saying children should be watching XXX movies, but neither should they be watching a movie that is ultra-violent either.  Yet, many parents DO let their children watch the ultra-violent movies, but never the porno because violence is ok, but sex is bad.

to add on to what you said: i used to work at a movie theater when reb zombie's halloween was released. most of our customers that went to see that picture was parents and their 8 year old OR YOUNGER kids. when i ripped or sold their tickets i reminded them that it was a rated R movie and a violent one at that "oh yeah, they see worse at home" "oh, but they wanted to see it"

what kind of world do we live in?

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

thepiebaker wrote...

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Yeah, I still think American values are messed up.   Parents will let their children watch a movie where a girl is shot in the head, yet they will not let them watch a XXX movie (or even a tamer scene like that in Mass Effect!)? I am not saying children should be watching XXX movies, but neither should they be watching a movie that is ultra-violent either.  Yet, many parents DO let their children watch the ultra-violent movies, but never the porno because violence is ok, but sex is bad.

to add on to what you said: i used to work at a movie theater when reb zombie's halloween was released. most of our customers that went to see that picture was parents and their 8 year old OR YOUNGER kids. when i ripped or sold their tickets i reminded them that it was a rated R movie and a violent one at that "oh yeah, they see worse at home" "oh, but they wanted to see it"

what kind of world do we live in?

Slightly off topic, but I must comment on your mention of Rob Zombie's Halloween.  While I am a huge Rob Zombie fan and love his original movies (1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects), I HATED his Halloween remake.  The appeal of the original Halloween to me was the suspense and the horror when he never actually killed anyone except his sister at the very beginning when he was a child.  The story was so great and so well written by John Carpenter that he didn't need to make it the typical slasher film (instead it's a stalker film LOL), wheras the Zombie version was just a big slaughterfest.

Getting back on topic, I'd have no problem letting my kids (if I had any) see the original Halloween, but Zombie's version? No way.

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:26 .

[thepiebaker]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Slightly off topic, but I must comment on your mention of Rob Zombie's Halloween.  While I am a huge Rob Zombie fan and love his original movies (1000 Corpses and Devil's Rejects), I HATED his Halloween remake.  The appeal of the original Halloween to me was the suspense and the horror when he never actually killed anyone except his sister at the very beginning when he was a child.  The story was so great and so well written by John Carpenter that he didn't need to make it the typical slasher film (instead it's a stalker film LOL), wheras the Zombie version was just a big slaughterfest.

Getting back on topic, I'd have no problem letting my kids (if I had any) see the original Halloween, but Zombie's version? No way.

i just might be sensitive to the whole horror movie thing myself because even some of the crappiest horror movies can give me nightmares for a week... strange thing is some of them dont and i can watch them with no problem. i do know that the big ones i cant stand are the phycopathic killer flicks. so i might just be trying to protect the kids from what i cant stand. i dont know

[Element_Zero]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

So, I was just thinking about and wondering what everyone's opinions were on the whole Fox News vs. Mass Effect controversy?

I just actually for the first time actually watched the report ( ), and I was just disgusted at how the "expert was given free reign to bash the game, yet when the Spike TV guy asked her Have you played the game? she admitted she hadn't, and then the host of the show pretty much blew him off with "OH we have to be ending this" but then they continued to talk, keeping him out of the discussion, for 2 more minutes!!!

I've always thought and I thought it again tonight... So many times I have seen reviews of video games by "watch groups" and such, and you ask them the very question he asked them... "Have you played the game?" and the answer is always "No."   If you haven't played the game or you haven't seen the movie, then STFU people!!!

Also, they just totally misrepresent the "sex scene" like it's some pornographic thing complete with nipples and male parts, when it isn't.

Bioware kept the characters in their underwear in DAO and ME2 to keep the same "OMG NUDITY" cries from happening, but was that really necessary? IMO those that continue to think video games are for kids are going to find something to enforce thier narrow minded views no matter what companies do.  Actually, I"m suprised the watchgroups didn't cry bloody murder at Dragon Age Awakening for the final boss having the upper torso of a totally nude human female complete with nipples.

You know your right. All of the news agencies have done this on one level or another dont forget CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN. . . It's quite agravating. I know I have laughed at CNN's supposibly 'International News' channel many many times over. How the hell is it a 'International News Channel' when 80 - 90% of the news from it is the US! Course I have to admit this was awhile ago, so maybe they cleaned it up and are actually reporting what is going on in another NATION, or closed it down. I honestly have no clue or care anymore.

I really hate all of the political crap that has popped up on them too. . . both right and left, and find the mindless blathering over and over again about the same stuff to be really dull these days. So I simply don't watch it! I find myself much happier because I missed the latest 'whats going to kill me today' and other negative crap that pours from these 'news' agencies.

I just pick up a newpaper and browse though the article and pull facts from it. I've gotten used to this method   Yup you so and so crashed here. . . Oh wait the author is trying to tell me how to think and what a horrible vehicle it was. . skip skip. . .. Ah so Sheriff 'Blank' was there . . . Next time I see him I'll have something to talk about with him.

Hey laugh if you want, but that is what is passed for news these days. The writers / new casters just keep trying to push their 'thinking' into you, with out respecting both sides of the full story or even seeking another person's perspective!

Modifié par Element_Zero, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:14 .

[Twilight_Princess]

If Fox "News" should teach you anything, its how NOT to have a debate. From "running out of time" in order to stop their opponent from making any of their points or even a chance to talk. To interrupting, to shouting (because being louder makes you right *eye roll*) To throwing in irrelevant red herrings to sidetrack the topic at hand,not to mention lying and making up false statistics. Its so embarrassing to watch , anyone they bring on to argue against doesn't stand a chance because they make sure they don't.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:44 .

[Direwolf029]

The saddest thing is how the sex scenes in DA:O and ME2 were effected because of it. Hopefully DA2 and ME3 will be different.