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[Drowsy0106]

Sure Americans are a bit prudish, but there has to be something seriously wrong with you if ur watching Fox News, not to mention compairing something they said to something else.



Besides, Bioware is in business with EA. Which means that if christian flag waving soccer mom doesn't want something to happen, it won't.

[habitat 67]

CodeMyster wrote...

The best part was how they bashed the woman's book on Amazon making reviews and tags with words I cannot quote here lol.

She is fool for grasping at fame with inflammatory false accusations.
Her books are not good enough for outhouse emergency paper.
"Woob woob woob", she weeps for her stupid.

[habitat 67]

Drowsy0106 wrote...
Besides, Bioware is in business with EA. Which means that if christian flag waving soccer mom doesn't want something to happen, it won't.

what

[ShaggyWolf]

Yeah I watched that report too, until right after the blonde chick finished her introductory bit. Then I got ticked and closed the window.



I can spew BS too, but I don't get paid outrageous ammounts of money to do it. That kinda annoys me. It also kinda annoys me that my game suffers because of it.



I don't want to watch a space porno, I just don't want important aspects of my character's relationship cut to appease a bunch of airheads. ME1's scenes were tastefully presented. ME2 had a great focus on the emotions and genuine love present in the realtionships. What I want is a combination of both.



And Hyrule_Gal, you summed up my thoughts about our news media nicely.

[habitat 67]

Cooper Lawrence.

Someone should tell her that naming herself after colleges does not make her smart. Foolish dolt.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Drowsy0106 wrote...

Sure Americans are a bit prudish, but there has to be something seriously wrong with you if ur watching Fox News, not to mention compairing something they said to something else.

Besides, Bioware is in business with EA. Which means that if christian flag waving soccer mom doesn't want something to happen, it won't.

I don't think it's so much that, as most companies don't want the bad press.  For example, if you played World of Warcraft's Burning Crusade expansion when it first came out, the Draenei females had some pretty risque sexual flirts... including "Do gnomes have a vibrate setting?" However, soon after the game came out, parents of children below the T rating of the game complained, so Blizzard removed them. Even now with Cataclysm on the Beta boards there was a guy complaining about the Worgen female flirts and those posting in reply (I was unable to post, just read) were flaming him for letting his 11 year old daughter play the game and then complaining about it's content.  Blizzard's ToS says you must be 13 to play, so the concerns of a parent of an 11 year old should NOT be heeded. If she's 13, then her parents can have a say in World of Warcraft's content, just like the parents of a 13 year old should not be able to dictate the content of a M rated game.  We will see if the Worgen female flirts get "cut" in a few months as the Draenei ones did. I'm betting they will, sooner or later.

EDIT: As for watching Fox News or not watching Fox News, I don't watch them usually, but many people DO, and this issue which started with Fox News got a LOT of bad press for Bioware and did affect ME2 and DAO.

EDIT 2: Also, one of the things people like Jack Thompson keep pointing out is that parents let their kids buy M rated games and such, but what they don't realize is that is the parent's decision.  I'd not let a 13 year old play Grand Theft Auto IV, but if a parent out there does, there is nothing we can do about that (unless they pass laws to make movies and video games same as alcohol is treated, which is something Jack Thompson seems to think is the case already with his constant (failed) lawsuits against Walmart and video game companies for selling games to minors.  As for Walmart doing it, Im sure it does, but I know for a fact that Walmart company policy is if an employee is caught selling a M rated game to a minor they are fired, no warning, you get your warning when you are hired.)

Modifié par AbsolutGrndZer0, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:03 .

[Twilight_Princess]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...

Drowsy0106 wrote...

Sure Americans are a bit prudish, but there has to be something seriously wrong with you if ur watching Fox News, not to mention compairing something they said to something else.

Besides, Bioware is in business with EA. Which means that if christian flag waving soccer mom doesn't want something to happen, it won't.

I don't think it's so much that, as most companies don't want the bad press.  For example, if you played World of Warcraft's Burning Crusade expansion when it first came out, the Draenei females had some pretty risque sexual flirts... including "Do gnomes have a vibrate setting?" However, soon after the game came out, parents of children below the T rating of the game complained, so Blizzard removed them. Even now with Cataclysm on the Beta boards there was a guy complaining about the Worgen female flirts and those posting in reply (I was unable to post, just read) were flaming him for letting his 11 year old daughter play the game and then complaining about it's content.  Blizzard's ToS says you must be 13 to play, so the concerns of a parent of an 11 year old should NOT be heeded. If she's 13, then her parents can have a say in World of Warcraft's content, just like the parents of a 13 year old should not be able to dictate the content of a M rated game.  We will see if the Worgen female flirts get "cut" in a few months as the Draenei ones did. I'm betting they will, sooner or later.

EDIT: As for watching Fox News or not watching Fox News, I don't watch them usually, but many people DO, and this issue which started with Fox News got a LOT of bad press for Bioware and did affect ME2 and DAO.

EDIT 2: Also, one of the things people like Jack Thompson keep pointing out is that parents let their kids buy M rated games and such, but what they don't realize is that is the parent's decision.  I'd not let a 13 year old play Grand Theft Auto IV, but if a parent out there does, there is nothing we can do about that (unless they pass laws to make movies and video games same as alcohol is treated, which is something Jack Thompson seems to think is the case already with his constant (failed) lawsuits against Walmart and video game companies for selling games to minors.  As for Walmart doing it, Im sure it does, but I know for a fact that Walmart company policy is if an employee is caught selling a M rated game to a minor they are fired, no warning, you get your warning when you are hired.)

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The other issue is that if you call yourself a news station and defend that you are a proper news station , then you have a responsibility to report un-biased and well researched facts to the public. Did Fox news publicly apologize to Bioware  to say they misrepresented the game? Hell no .They have been given the power and permission to slander companies and people with lies without any proper consequence. If you call yourself a news station you should be held accountable when you abuse that title.   I'm sure most people are smart enough to know faux news is a load of bull but why is it that despite the mountains of evidence showing their bias and propaganda they are still allowed to have "news" in their title? They need to drop the act.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:58 .

[GnusmasTHX]

Fox News misrepresents itself as a source of news.



It's the last in this trilogy, BioWare, go out with a naked bang.

[Element_Zero]

Look stop hitting on just Fox News. . . it's not just them.

CNN is horrible about somethings (or was I guess I haven't watched them now in quite sometime!). In the 80's it was Nightline, and 20-20 here in the states doing the same stuff and this was way before CNN or the later Fox even came about. I'm still trying to remember the hit piece one of those two places did on a movie? or TV show that I thought wasn't that bad at all!

Too many times these investigative reporters and political pundits get out there and just don't have all the facts or knowledge, and go spouting their mouths off never mind the consequences or rather we have our facts right we need RATINGS.

And yea it pisses one off, it's like hey Fox Broadcasting or Time Warner maybe you should actually have your editors DIG a bit instead of regurgitating what pops up on the old AP and then go right to air! At the price of another company or private citizen! Still though I'm willing to bet in regards to the ME game those gall - reporter was talking about, she did things the way she did to try to save face and still get 'headlines'. Which is their sole purpose and they use those techniques . . . Heh you folks probably don't know that they will play with the lighting and air-conditioning too if they want to make a guest look bad by sweating or just making them uncomfortable! They have done alot of underhanded crap.

Course it all ways comes at the price of someone or something. Hells bells I used have to listen to that goofy CNN HLN - every time I went to lunch one couldn't miss it, since it was on the big screen! That lovely piece of work had the same mindless dribble - stuff going on it, since the talk shows were always playing during my lunch break.

I wonder what the BBC dose to get ratings? I've heard rumors that the papers and stuff in London are really different in how they present the news.

The one I always love though, is when they tell me my favorite drink is going to cause kidneys to fail. . . Then a month later they tell me I should be drinking it since it's good for the heart!?!? When I first hear that I nearly coughed up my cup of joe!

I'm like FU! I like it! I'm going to drink it! And I'm going to enjoy it! If it makes me grow a third eye on the back of my head so be it!  I'll just evil eye spy you with thee steely third eye!

Course you ladies have that the old 'evil eye' stuff down pat! *whispers* Gals don't toss me on the spit and flame me yet!  I haven't got thy firesuit on!

Edit: You know we are in some ways, are guilty of the same thing right? (I know I'm fallable sometimes.) We jump on our soap boxes and shout off things into the nether net with out understanding the scope of the posting sometimes. It seems the more passionate you are about these things too the more likely you are to do it.

Modifié par Element_Zero, 14 janvier 2011 - 12:18 .

[Deathwurm]

As an American. I am constantly amazed at how tolerant we as a Nation are with Violence and how intolerant we are when it comes to Nudity and Sexuality...it just boggles my Mind!

I would love to watch all the YouTube links everyone has Posted, but to be honest I just can't tolerate the complete lack of any sense in Discourse in this Country any more!

Another point: American Parents need to stop relying on outside sources to do their job deciding what is and is not appropriate for their children!

I want to move out of this Country SO badly even Canada is looking good! (no offense to Canadians...it's the Cold I couldn't handle...not your Good Folk or Society)

[Element_Zero]

Deathwurm wrote...

Another point: American Parents need to stop relying on outside sources to do their job deciding what is and is not appropriate for their children!

I totally agree with you here Wurm. . . I can't tell you how many calls I've been on where the kids were just running about freely bashing up this or stealing that. Hell in one part of town we had to keep a guy near the truck all the time, heck they would try to distract you sometimes so they could just help themselves to what ever was in the compartments!

[MrDizazta]

All I got to say is screw Fox "News." I will be watching John Stewart because it seems that he is the only person reporting the news to have any sanity left in him. I mean it is people like Glenn Beck that Republicans bad names. I mean the whole political system in the States is crap right now and nobody on either side wants to just work together for a better country.



But back on topic. I don't think anybody can make a true assumption about a game unless they actually play the damn game. I could easily say that Dragon Age: Origins is the worst game in existence and every second playing is like being repeatly stabbed in the eye. However I simple cannot say that because I have actually played the game and enjoyed it a lot. I mean just look at my avy. Nobody can make a valid judgment of a game or anything else without expirencing for themselves.

[Severyx]

If I remember correctly, the internet struck back at this uneducated woman who bashed Mass Effect for its content. Apparently that woman had a book out that she had written up on Amazon.com. Reportedly after that aired, the book received THOUSANDS of extremely poor ratings, and a lot of the comments sounded something to the effect of 'Horrible book. Never read it, but it's horrible.'



Amazon had to pull the book from their listings to stop the massively effective retaliation. I think they got the point after that.

[StowyMcStowstow]

It's Fox news. The game was completely misrepresented, no one (at all) did any research, or even played the game. It's basically what's given Fox news its poor image in recent years. To gamers at least.

[Images]

I think Bioware doesn't want any trouble but hell, I'd love it if they baited the idiots when ME3 comes out. Say in interviews "Sadly for all you Fox News fans, ME3 comes with 50 percent more rape and sex minigames!"

Modifié par Images, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:59 .

[Phaedon]

OP, Fox News is a joke anyway, don't pay too much attention to them.



ME3: Protagonist eats hot dog with...mustard!



Scandal!

[Pwner1323]

Element_Zero wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

Another point: American Parents need to stop relying on outside sources to do their job deciding what is and is not appropriate for their children!

I totally agree with you here Wurm. . . I can't tell you how many calls I've been on where the kids were just running about freely bashing up this or stealing that. Hell in one part of town we had to keep a guy near the truck all the time, heck they would try to distract you sometimes so they could just help themselves to what ever was in the compartments!

This is pretty much the whole thing. Also, that report by FOX was unproffesional and completaly unprepared. BW didn't have to do a thing and they still won the argument. At least they now know not to mess with video games. Bunch of anchor douch bags.

[Aigyl]

Y'know, I would have thought a game that was reported on a news station as having explicit sex scenes would increase sales [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

Element_Zero wrote...
I wonder what the BBC dose to get ratings? I've heard rumors that
the papers and stuff in London are really different in how they present
the news.

Generally the BBC and other news stations in the UK try to give a fairly balanced view of issues (with a few exceptions, like the Iranian government being reported as the source of all evil, which they are but that's beside the point). You'd never get a news channel like Fox over here, it'd be either laughed out of existence or watched as a comedy show.

Don't know why it's different from America, maybe because the BBC was state-funded and accountable to the tax-payer so it had to give fairly high standard programming, resulting in the other news stations following suit to keep up? On the other hand we do have the Daily Mail...

Modifié par Aigyl, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:00 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Only in America. Extreme violence and language are okay, but sexual content is heavily criticized. It's ****ing bizarre.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 14 janvier 2011 - 03:31 .

[Matt251287]

Aigyl wrote...

 You'd never get a news channel like Fox over here, it'd be either laughed out of existence or watched as a comedy show.

And yet we have 'The Sun'

I've heard stories of international students sending copies of the Sun home to be laughed at.
 
 

I agree about the BBC, they are biased, but not to an obscene degree, generally i find that they're well presented too. In the UK you won't generaly get away with such falsification/slander, but there is a tendancy to Omit/Under-report certain stories.

[GODzilla]

Direwolf029 wrote...

The saddest thing is how the sex scenes in DA:O and ME2 were effected because of it. Hopefully DA2 and ME3 will be different.

It especially sadens me because Bioware used to be a canadian developer, with - as seen in previous Bioware titles and Mass Effect - a kinda european attitude towards nudity and sexuality.

I'm not sure if it was this single FOX news broadcast that changed their attitude...I rather think it was EA, being a US-developer. The often proclaimed and as often denied influence of EA on Bioware finally kicks in. Bioware, as we know it, is gone. It's EA now.

[Praetor Knight]

Phaedon wrote...

OP, Fox News is a joke anyway, don't pay too much attention to them.

ME3: Protagonist eats hot dog with...mustard!

Scandal!

I barely watch any TV Network for news, NPR a few local radio stations and the Internet for me, TV obeys the ratings gods.

When I think Fox, I think entertainment, so meh

With Hot Dogs, mustard is a for a Chicago Style Hot Dog!

[wolfsite]

We still haven't gotten over this?

[james1976]

The bottom line as mentioned in the report, Parents need to be more responsible with what they allow their kids to see. The interviews were handled incorrectly and Mass Effect didn't get a real defense, which is sad. Not to mention their facts weren't correct with all the full nudity crap. The rating system is there for a reason. The game was designed with a mature audience in mind. Until you can keep the person selling the content from selling to the parent who is either doesn't care what their kids are doing or is misinformed about the product, then there is nothing that really could be done. Most likely those kids who get their hands on a mature rated game knew what they were getting. The parents need to control their children better in what they see. It's parenting, and they cannot just depend on the media or government or whatever to do it for them. That's just plain lazy and irresponsible.

BioWare isn't at fault for their creativity. The system is fault for not restricting the content to children better. Parents need to do their research and those selling the product need to inform the customer more about what they are buying instead of just selling it blind to someone who is of age....or at least find out if they are buying it for a child or if a child might be exposed to it's content.

[SunnKingg]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Fox News misrepresents itself as a source of news.

It's the last in this trilogy, BioWare, go out with a naked bang.

I second that!