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[Fredvdp]

Deathwurm wrote...

As an American. I am constantly amazed at how tolerant we as a Nation are with Violence and how intolerant we are when it comes to Nudity and Sexuality...it just boggles my Mind!

The US are pretty intolerant when it comes to violence as well. I'm a European and some action movies, like for instance Taken starring Liam Neeson, are heavily censored for American audiences. But it is indeed ironic that they are even less tolerant about sex, which should be considered something natural and nice.

[Merchant2006]

bobobo878 wrote...

I think the latest James Bond movie was more revealing than ME1.

Because it's clearly alright to have nudity and ass in movies but when it comes to video games that are meant to be played by 18+, you can't. I wonder if BioWare will take the ME1 route with romance scenes, heh.

[Deathwurm]

My best friends have 4 kids (3 Boys and a Girl)...

The youngest just turned 11...

He was told he couldn't have a Game that was part of one of the "War" based FPSes because it carried a Mature raiting which was apparently a change from the previous Games that (I think) were Rated T.

He didn't throw a Tantrum or even blink an eye...he understood that what Mom said was LAW.

That didn't happen overnight...they spent a lot of time actually raising their kids THEMSELVES and not letting School or Society or TV do it.

Maybe this is a bit off Topic, but the posts in the Thread made me think of this.

[Deathwurm]

Fredvdp wrote...

Deathwurm wrote...

As an American. I am constantly amazed at how tolerant we as a Nation are with Violence and how intolerant we are when it comes to Nudity and Sexuality...it just boggles my Mind!

The US are pretty intolerant when it comes to violence as well. I'm a European and some action movies, like for instance Taken starring Liam Neeson, are heavily censored for American audiences. But it is indeed ironic that they are even less tolerant about sex, which should be considered something natural and nice.

That's pretty eye opening for me...as an American I see things on TV that I never would've imagined I would ever see. I didn't realize Europe (or some parts of it) had that high a tolerance for Violence.
All-in-all, I would rather answer question about Sexual content or innuendo than explain why "That guy shot so many other guys"

[GreenSoda]

Personally, I'm a little disapointed at BW's reaction to this whole thing. Shortly after that Fox BS thing aired I remember reading an interview where BW devs basically said that this would not change anything about how they'll approach sex scenes in their future games.



...years later we get dry humping and NPCs dressing *up* for sex. That's really kind of sad when you think about it. I really thought ME1 was a step in the right direction.

[Praetor Knight]

GreenSoda wrote...

Personally, I'm a little disapointed at BW's reaction to this whole thing. Shortly after that Fox BS thing aired I remember reading an interview where BW devs basically said that this would not change anything about how they'll approach sex scenes in their future games.

...years later we get dry humping and NPCs dressing *up* for sex. That's really kind of sad when you think about it. I really thought ME1 was a step in the right direction.

Dunno, but what if EA had an impact on how that changed from ME to ME2?

For me, it doesn't really matter how the scenes are done as long as they keep getting better, as they have so far,

except for the "Prize" one, maybe.

[darth_lopez]

see when i first heard the rport i thought hey it must be about oh idk. That Playboy game or That other game, Larry's adventure i think? or that other game, or that other game or that other game. There are alot of weird wacky way more socially devious games out there. BW was targeted someone at Fox had scene their child play a game with naked sides which pales incomparrison to idk... the playboy mansion game for the original Xbox or i would hope it would because honestly being a guy if i bought a playboy video game there damn well better be naked chicks in it. Or the larry's adventure(might be an online only one not sure) and then there's the guy game( i think it's called) for another system.



Truthfully i think BW is still feeling the sting thanks to them. BW shouldn't feel bad they got great publicity out of it. and anyone who had actually played the game knows that the attack was unnecessary. Furthermore i believe Kotaku posted an article about it with a quote from one of the main arguers against it in which he/she said she had never played the game and upon being shown the scene s/he expressed some regret in blowing it out of proportion if i remember. But yeah the people who fired on the game weren't aware it was like 5 minute cutscene with no worse than a PG-13 movies 10-15 minute sex scenes. And certaintly no Hot Coffee mod!



My opinion now is that BW needs to tell Fox to **** off and do what they want. If anything accusations of a massive sex scene will actually boost sales in the male demographic if only slightly and the extra media coverage while it might scare some super conservatives away i don't think many super conservatives play ME. Let the blasted media jackwagons say what they want now It can't hurt Bioware after the truth was shed on ME 1.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Phaedon wrote...

OP, Fox News is a joke anyway, don't pay too much attention to them.

ME3: Protagonist eats hot dog with...mustard!

Scandal!

I agree, however my point is whether we ignore them or not, Bioware/EA did not, evidenced by the taming down of DAO and ME2's romance scenes.  My point in making this thread isn't to say Fox News was right or should be paid attention to, but to hopefully let Bioware know that we all think Fox News is stupid and that they should not listen to them about this like they have in the past.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Another case I can relay of people not having played a game talking of their behinds is when Rumble Roses XX came out, the Nursing Advocacy Board reported on their website (google it, the article is still on their site in their archives) claimed that it contained a naughty nurse character (it does) and that you could beat her up (you can, it is after all a wrestling game) and then have sex with her (ok yeah no sex in the game, just sexy outfits).

[abaris]

My point in making this thread isn't to say Fox News was right or should be paid attention to, but to hopefully let Bioware know that we all think Fox News is stupid and that they should not listen to them about this like they have in the past.

A mighty news network will always be feared by the industry. Although Fox is the yellowest of the yellow press when it plays on being a news channel and biased as hell, the rightwing conservative part of the USA do believe them and that's being powerful in itself.

But as has been said before - its hypocrisy at its purest. Damn nudity or sexual content, but don't say a peep about violence and gore. We all know that exposed private parts can seriously endanger a childs development. A chopped of head on the other hand has its educational value.

Unless there's another guy going postal in some mall or school. Then the reason of his killing spree is of course the game he played before deciding to become a maniac. All the experts, who have never actually played a game in their lives, will agree wholeheartedly.

[Mister Mida]

Gggrrrrr... Fox News. What a douchebags those guys are.

[k177sh0t]

2 years later, im still giving Cooper Lawrence a one star rating on her book w/o even reading it.

[mineralica]

The only game from all my discs what has a restricting rating on cover is ME2. Local editions of ME, Oblivion, Fallout 3 and Warhammer 40 k Dawn of the war 2 haven't got any.

The only time I see someone choosing in the shop game finding out if it has violence and such things is when children choose a game for mother (my mom, for example, gets nervous when it comes to blood and internal organs).

So children here f*ck at every corner? No. Kill someone because it was shown in vid game? No. Have seen all of this what was shown in "sensual scenes" before? Definitely yes. So what's the point in this ratings?

Btw I totally agree that episode with Fox News only increased the sells of ME1.

[JrayM16]

While the whole thing obviously sucks alot, I find it more funny than anything in retrospect. My favorite part was the panel of "experts" after the interview where we have such classic lines as:



"Who can argue that Luke Skywalker meets Debbie Does Dallas is a good thing?"



"I want to buy the game where Lauren fights Chuck Norris."



"What happened to Atari and pinball and Pac-man?"



classic.

[ScorpSt]

I will say that the controversy over the scene got my attention on ME more than anything else. Before the Fox News report I thought that Mass Effect was just some sort of Halo knock-off that I wouldn't be interested in. I didn't even know who BioWare was (which is funny because I'd played and loved KotOR).

Hearing all the people on Fox "News" talk about a game they hadn't played made me want to figure out what the game was for myself. Lo and behold, I discovered that Mass Effect was an RPG and that BioWare made Knights of the Old Republic, one of my favorite RPGs!

I was even happier to find out that it was out on PC by now, as I didn't have a 360, and while the PC release had issues with SecuROM, there was a way around it. That's what introduced me to Steam.

So basically, I'd like the thank Fox "News" for introducing me to Mass Effect, and helping me become a potentially life-long fan of BioWare, as well as avid Steam user.

[Slavka13748]

I love how over-reactive America is when it comes to sex. I mean, come on - there's more sex in the average TV show than there was in Mass Effect. Here in the UK, ME is a 12. That's about right, if you compare to the average 12-A action movie. But not in America. Clearly, it will corrupt our children's minds, for it is a videogame, and therefore evil!

And all those parents complaining (not necessarily about ME) about sex and violence in videogames... Just because its a game doesn't mean it's for kids. This whole attitude really needs to change. How about you sit down, play the game, and then decide if you want to let your kids play it. At the very least, do some proper research - the age ratings are a guideline, nothing more.

[Phaedon]

AbsolutGrndZer0 wrote...
I agree, however my point is whether we ignore them or not, Bioware/EA did not, evidenced by the taming down of DAO and ME2's romance scenes.  My point in making this thread isn't to say Fox News was right or should be paid attention to, but to hopefully let Bioware know that we all think Fox News is stupid and that they should not listen to them about this like they have in the past.

I don't know, the Miranda sex scene wasn't as 'light/mild/tame etc' as the ME1 romances.

[mcsupersport]

elfadelbosco wrote...

if Fox is responsible for the Disney-like 'sex' scenes in ME2 then STFU (I don't know what it means but i guess it's not a compliment)

STFU:
S--shut
T--the
F--F***
U--UP


Funny thing is same as others, the Fox news article got my attention to ME and thus caused me to buy the game and it's sequel.  I am really disappointed in the ME2 devs for not continueing the tasteful and quality love scenes from ME to ME2.  I hope they get their head out of their posterior and do ME3 scenes right, considering the audience they are trying to sell their games too.  

I happen to be 39(40 in April) years old, and I happen to like games that don't treat me like a 12 year old.


I also happen to have gotten God of War combo pack recently for PS3 and it is a rerelease from a PS2 game, and it has topless women in it, that is full topless frontal not sideboob.

Modifié par mcsupersport, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:00 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Wait, do you guys think Bioware took Fox News seriously? I mean, EA maybe (all they care about is the bottom line), but Bioware? I'm surprised I didn't see fifty hits at Fox News in Mass Effect 2. After all, this misrepresentation thing is pretty ironic seeing that Fox News misrepresents itself by calling itself "fair and balanced" or as an actual "news source".

As for how this affects children, a lot of these parents who don't want kids to play games have their priorities seriously screwed up. They'll show them a movie with cold-blooded murder by gunshop, a swordblade, and strangulation, along with dismemberment and shooting planes out of the sky, but they won't even think twice about rejecting a game that kids SHOULD play because it will actually help them think differently and help them mature into an adult (meaning games like KOTOR, ME, and Bioshock, not pointless stuff like CoD). The movie mentioned, by the way, is Star Wars, and that is how I perceived the series when I was really little, Gave me nightmares for months-they blew up a entire planet with billions of people! I just think there's so much resistance because its a new form of media that a lot of those parents haven't experienced yet, and haven't been personally effected by. I really don't see the difference between playing CoD and watching Terminator as I don't see a difference between playing KOTOR and watching a movie that could really shape one's character in a positive way.

Modifié par MisterDyslexo, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:15 .

[Tasker]

I really hope that they go the ME1 route with ME3 and not chicken out as with Dragon age or ME2.

ME1 was quite tastefully done I thought, and it's not as if you actually saw anything.

I live in the UK and I still know that the whole Fox news thing was just a farce, blown out of all proportions by people that hadn't even 'seen' the sodding things that they were condemning.

Modifié par Orkboy, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:36 .