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[Tazzmission]

i find all right wingers hypocritical. its funny to hear them wine and moan and yet they justify nudity in the bible or when bristol palin is getting her prom dress pushed up by some dead beat guy named after a pair jeans

[Uszi]

elfadelbosco wrote...

Gleym wrote...

Christianity, pretty much. No, not trying to incite a religious debate, it's just general fact that Christianity imposed a ridiculous amount of uptightness (and overall silliness in terms of perception of the world and common sense) into the human race that's been passed down and passed off as being 'morally correct' throughout the generations.

wait, I know this forum is not about religious debate, but I'd say Catholicism and Puritanism, more than Christianity.....I read the whole Bible (unlike many devoted catholics here in Italy) and I can assure you that there's nothing written against sex or nudity, as long as there's love. There are statements against prostitution and promiscuity, but not against sex, that is one of the many gifts of God

Wow yeah.  Respectfully: STFU guys, because you'll start stepping on toes.  I could point out that the bible says all kinds of **** about adultery which forms the basis for modern views on "purity," etc.  And before you go Catholic baiting, keep in mind you're putting your casual read through of the bible up against a 2,000 year old interpretation by people who sit around and make spirituality their complete profession.  But then I would be firing back and starting the debate, so I'll stop there.

No one can be right or wrong once you start debating religion on the internet:  everyone just gets pissed off.
The same goes for politics people, good lord. 

As a Catholic who enjoys these games, I can agree that attacking the Mass Effect games for their sex scenes is retarded.  First, kids aren't supposed to be playing M-rated games, if you want to follow the recommendations of the ESRB, and second, kids can just as easily look up porn on the internet then they can get their rocks off watching a pg-13 sex scene in a video game.  I don't know about you guys, but I started looking at internet porn in middle school.

Finally, I agree that philosophically, you cannot impose morality on people.  Even if you restric access and campaign and crusade, you've haven't even addressed the heart of your percieved morality problem.  Parents need to realize that if they can't stop their kids from "enjoying" depictions of sex, then their failure is not with the depictions themselves but with their own parenting.  You can't stop someone from wanting something by controlling access to it.  The best you can do is plant the seeds of their moral upbringing, and hope for the best.

I have absolutely no intention of restricting my kids access to R-rated movies and M-rated games, especially once they're old enough to know what is real and what is make-believe.

Modifié par Uszi, 15 janvier 2011 - 06:39 .

[slimgrin]

Enough with the religious debate people, against site rules.

[kmcd5722]

I remember watching the YouTube video of the "SexxxBox" special on Fox News, and I could feel the anger rising within me. I wanted to knock out every single reporter, besides the guy defending ME, for their completely ungrounded "facts" about ME. Pieces of you know what, those stupid pricks. I can't imagine what BioWare was thinking when they saw that. Completely, completely an attempt to low-blow video games without doing any sort of research.



I don't think I have been more mad at the media than after that in a long time. Complete bull****, and they knew it, too.



I hope BioWare knows that those love scenes in ME1 were as tasteful as they could be. In fact, emotionally engaging, too. I don't need full on nudity to understand what's going on nor does it seem it could make it any better, all it does is serve those ****ing idiots over at Fox News. Hell, PG-13 movies are more crude than that! BioWare, your fans support you, don't listen to haters, do what you do best.

[slimgrin]

Fox news would be nowhere without controversy, so sometimes they have to generate it themselves.

[Silver]

The owner of FOX (forgot his name) is alleged to have said:
"We broadcast the news that I want people to see !"

And you know what ? I believe him (to have said that).

Never before have I seen a more biased news channel.

[AbsolutGrndZer0]

Da3mon1991 wrote...

Geoff: Cooper have you ever played Mass Effect?
Cooper (nervously laughing): nohoo...
Geoff: Right... then STFU!

You can see he wanted to say that, but just changes his mind in time

Watched the "debate" for the first time a few week ago and it was ridiculous. An "expert" who hasn't even played the game, a debate leader (blond bimbo) who is clearly biased and an actual person who played the game gets shut off when he's telling them the truth. And really why mass effect?

Actually if you read Cooper's apology, she says the answer to Why Mass Effect. Some person (she didn't say who) told her that Mass Effect had sex scenes that were pornographic.  She then jumped on the bandwagon without actually investigating this person's (bogus) claims.

[johnny532]

Wow that video made me want to throw up I was so angry. They totally misrepresented the game making it out to be an interactive porno where you could actually pick and choose what sexual acts you want to perform on the character and then totally lying by saying there was full nudity. It's the old adage don't let facts get in the way of a good story. And if Bioware/EA watered down romance scenes in Dragon Age and ME2 because of BS backlash on ME1 shame on them....

[grifter024]

Kane-Corr wrote...

And look at Heavy Rain....you can freakin' control the actual scene and interact with the character......now, I'm not sure if this was bashed on by Fox news or any other newsstation, but if it wasn't, then shame on the media. Mass Effect was tastefully done, and was less harmful than a PG-13 movie nowadays!

I always found that funny...Mass got in trouble for showing what...side boob and a little cheek yet we have full own controlable sex scenes in Heavy rain not to mention them actually showing more then Mass did yet noone talks about it hahahah.

The sex scenes were very well done in the first game...not over the top but very tasteful and made you feel like the  LI meant something...in 2 it felt more about sex except for Jacks since she cries.

I hope the sex scenes are more tasteful and emotional in 3 since its the end of Shep.

[moilami]

johnny532 wrote...

Wow that video made me want to throw up I was so angry. They totally misrepresented the game making it out to be an interactive porno where you could actually pick and choose what sexual acts you want to perform on the character and then totally lying by saying there was full nudity. It's the old adage don't let facts get in the way of a good story. And if Bioware/EA watered down romance scenes in Dragon Age and ME2 because of BS backlash on ME1 shame on them....

Full Nudity? So what Come on give me a break should chicks wear Burghas in ME3? I honestly can't even imagine what could be so awful and wrong even if there would be full nudity in ME. What is this Fox News?


Edit: I think Fox News totally deserves to get Facepalm of The Year award of that misinformation.

Modifié par moilami, 16 janvier 2011 - 12:43 .

[War Houndoom]

Hey If you guys want full female nudity I want full male nudity to make it even! lol.

[ZachForrest]

Hey it was good publicity. Plus doesn't seeing reactionary bigots on the news make you feel good about yourself? (how enlightened are we?!)

[thegreateski]

ZachForrest wrote...

Hey it was good publicity. Plus doesn't seeing reactionary bigots on the news make you feel good about yourself? (how enlightened are we?!)

I DO enjoy laughing at the stupidity of others . . .

[moilami]

ZachForrest wrote...

Hey it was good publicity. Plus doesn't seeing reactionary bigots on the news make you feel good about yourself? (how enlightened are we?!)

No, they make me fear some incoming very stupid laws. Like we would not have enough stupid laws already.


Edit: Should games not by the way enjoy freedom of speech constitutional thing in USA?

Modifié par moilami, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:05 .

[nipsen]

silverhammer08 wrote...

The owner of FOX (forgot his name) is alleged to have said:
"We broadcast the news that I want people to see !"

And you know what ? I believe him (to have said that).

----

Rupert Murdoch. And he probably didn't say that. What he's often said is that they will focus on the news "people" want, instead of having editors making news for "themselves". Which of course amounts to the same thing. He's also stated that they wanted to "set the agenda" on Iraq - this is openly the element of participation in shaping news-coverage in order to be more dramatic, rather than simply correct or informative.

Meanwhile, "creating the news" as an official modus is something we can easily assign more or less exclusively to the rise of shock media with FOX at the forefront. To a degree that advertisement driven short term "new media" can't ever hope to ascend.

But imagining Murdoch as if he was... a curiously similar looking James Bond villain in Goldeneye, or something.. that's just silly.

In reality, it's about creating your own loyal audience, and feeding them steadily what they want to hear. Newt Gingrich had very similar ideas when it comes to the "perpetual campaign" they started for the GOP around 2000. And either of those are again similar to successful business-models that recur in various markets and corporations.

Which in the best sense is about offering a loyal consumer-base a specific product that satisfy their needs. And in the worst sense is preying on people's uninformed and uncritical opinions, while pandering consciously to the most common denominator at any cost.

[ZachForrest]

moilami wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

Hey it was good publicity. Plus doesn't seeing reactionary bigots on the news make you feel good about yourself? (how enlightened are we?!)

No, they make me fear some incoming very stupid laws. Like we would not have enough stupid laws already.


Edit: Should games not by the way enjoy freedom of speech constitutional thing in USA?

Are the some actual laws related to this in the pipeline? Or you just saying stuff like this makes it more likely?

Freedom of speech works both ways, if they want to kick up a fuss over nothing for a few column inches..so be it.

[CmdrShepardsGirl]

I thought it was ridiculous O_o the way that it was reported anybody would have thought that the love scene was a full blown pornography movie tbh I thought that the entire scene was beautifully done and extremely tasteful =) I loved the personal touch it added to the romance between my fem shep and Kaidan BRAVO BIOWARE!!! =D

[Chuvvy]

Some massive **** was trying to sell her book. She thought saying a game she hadn't played was a sex sim would be a good way. And they're freaking out about nudity? No, not even nudity, side boob, you can see that in a PG-13 movie. Jesus the game's rated M, 17+. You can bet your ass that it wouldn't have gotten the kind of attention it did had it been a movie. Games aren't respected even though they're the highest grossing entertainment medium. Why? Because allot of people assume that only kids play them. And the worst part is they let it effect ME2 and DAO, and from the looks of the DA2 trailer they let it effect that too. That's why you have fully clothed sex scenes.

Also plenty of other games have shown way more. RDR, Heavy Rain and Saboteur to name a few.

Modifié par Slidell505, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:17 .

[Kabanya101]

I don't really care about whether there is or isn't nudity in the love scene, but I prefer it because it brings the story and the characters in a more realistic environment. And it makes the love expressed in a greater volume making the scene and the game more enjoyable, knowing that someone who cares about you is protecting your back. Fox News should stop with their remarks about the game, the developers have the right to include whatever they want in the game. All games are given a rating, if people don't like it, they don't have to buy it. Fox News just wants publicity, so they make up things they can complain about, they really need to grow up.

[CmdrShepardsGirl]

Slidell505 wrote...

Some massive **** was trying to sell her book. She thought saying a game she hadn't played was a sex sim would be a good way. And they're freaking out about nudity? No, not even nudity, side boob, you can see that in a PG-13 movie. Jesus the game's rated M, 17+. You can bet your ass that it wouldn't have gotten the kind of attention it did had it been a movie. Games aren't respected even though they're the highest grossing entertainment medium. Why? Because allot of people assume that only kids play them. And the worst part is they let it effect ME2 and DAO, and from the looks of the DA2 trailer they let it effect that too. That's why you have fully clothed sex scenes.

I totally agree with you there Slidell

[thegreateski]

ZachForrest wrote...

moilami wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

Hey it was good publicity. Plus doesn't seeing reactionary bigots on the news make you feel good about yourself? (how enlightened are we?!)

No, they make me fear some incoming very stupid laws. Like we would not have enough stupid laws already.


Edit: Should games not by the way enjoy freedom of speech constitutional thing in USA?

Are the some actual laws related to this in the pipeline? Or you just saying stuff like this makes it more likely?

Freedom of speech works both ways, if they want to kick up a fuss over nothing for a few column inches..so be it.

Newb politicians like to jump on the "video games are evil" horse in order to increase their notoriety. Some of them even propose laws banning video games/promoting the harsh regulation of video games but it never gets off the ground.

The more experienced politicians just stay away from the matter entirely because they realize that they have more important **** to worry about.

The media is also fond of riding the "video games are evil" horse so they can raise their ratings and beat the issue to death (again).

Modifié par thegreateski, 16 janvier 2011 - 01:22 .

[moilami]

ZachForrest wrote...

moilami wrote...

ZachForrest wrote...

Hey it was good publicity. Plus doesn't seeing reactionary bigots on the news make you feel good about yourself? (how enlightened are we?!)

No, they make me fear some incoming very stupid laws. Like we would not have enough stupid laws already.


Edit: Should games not by the way enjoy freedom of speech constitutional thing in USA?

Are the some actual laws related to this in the pipeline? Or you just saying stuff like this makes it more likely?

Freedom of speech works both ways, if they want to kick up a fuss over nothing for a few column inches..so be it.

Haha, of course media should enjoy freedom of speech. Even Fox News xD

What I meant was that if source code of cryptographic software was able to get protection from 1st amendment, then could it be possible that games could enjoy also of 1st amendment? I would actually be surprised if games do not enjoy it. But anything is possible.

Ref from Wikipedia:

"The claimed principle was simple: export of munitions—guns, bombs, planes, and software—was (and remains) restricted; but the export of books is protected by the First Amendment.
The question was never tested in court with respect to PGP. In cases
addressing other encryption software, however, two federal appeals
courts have established the rule that cryptographic software source code
is speech protected by the First Amendment (the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Bernstein case and the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Junger case)."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pretty_Good_Privacy#Criminal_investigation

Modifié par moilami, 16 janvier 2011 - 02:51 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Ah! that report makes me laugh, its funny how ignorant some people can be neither of them played the game

[aeetos21]

I stopped taking Fox News seriously a LONG time ago. So did the United States judicial system when a group of Fox News journalists refused to print the lies the "news agency" was telling them to write. In the end the courts sided with Fox because they found the news network not to be actual informative news but rather entertainment and could thus report whatever they wanted to.

No joke, look it up yourself. There's no difference between Fox News and the controversies with the WWE and whether that wrestling was real or faked - except millions of people turn to the agency each and every single day believing every thing out of Beck or O'Reilly's mouth. They're entertainers, they're not there to report the truth, they're there to spin the story and make money.

Mass Effect's nudity controversy wasn't anything different. But don't take my word for it, take the United States government's.

/end rant

Modifié par aeetos21, 16 janvier 2011 - 03:31 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

" The political function of “the right of free speech” is to protect dissenters and unpopular minorities from forcible suppression—not to guarantee them the support, advantages and rewards of a popularity they have not gained." – Ayn Rand



Games do not qualify under freedom of speech what are they saying? Blowing up things, people, and property are cool? It is entertainment and therefore has no protection under the freedom of speech. Should movies even porno be given the right to have freedom of speech it is a thing created by man not a person.



There is no law yet regulating games per say the government would like to. I heard recently how curtain regulatory entities think games have no artistic value and therefore deserve to be regulated by the government if they can determine what is considered artistic value then that's bad so far one of our many stimulus bills decided porn that was shown at a theater was artistically valuable and gave them alot of money for it one of those shovel ready jobs.