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[naledgeborn]

Shepard is an agent of the Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch of the Citadel Council. Saving them is his/her job. Simple as that.

[Joolazoo]

naledgeborn wrote...

Shepard is an agent of the Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch of the Citadel Council. Saving them is his/her job. Simple as that.

Not true at all. A spectre's job is his mission and nothing else. His mission was to stop Saren and that means that if saving the council hindered his ability to complete his mission than he would of had to sacrifice them. Not to mention the council is a group that remains even if the current members died. Just like any soldier 3 new people would step in to replace them.

On my first run I let the council die because I had no clue whether or not it would affect my ability to stop Sovereign since it was a blind playthrough. This along with the fact that I hated the turian councilor and was indifferent about the other two.  

Modifié par Joolazoo, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:55 .

[Phategod1]

I just called this and remember I said it the Turian Counsel member is going to be a new squaddie. Watch.

[Icinix]

Because it was the right thing to do.

[Da3mon1991]

I didn't...

[PauseforEffect]

Obligation for saving humanity during First Contact War, granting an embassy, forcing the Turians to pay reparations to human families, granting Spectre status when they could have sent another Spectre to hunt Saren down.

And to maintain the power balance to avoid abuse by humans. Checks and balances I guess. People don't like them but then has anyone not complained about a government before?

[RiouHotaru]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Because that Shepard had a concussion from fighting Saren and couldn't think straight.


Barring that, because a different Shepard put possible political gains from saving three VIP's ahead of needlessly risking the lives of trillions in the face of galactic extinction.

Because Shepard understood that those three VIPs have another function: Morale.  It is amazing how much an army's disposition can change when their country's leaders die under their watch.

[DarthCaine]

I didn't save the council. I saved the Ascension

[TK Dude]

I didn't and never will.

[V-rex]

Honestly?

I didn't want to validate what they were saying. I didn't want to confirm to them and all the other races of the galaxy that everything they ever said about humans was true, that we are selfish and power hungry and that we'll leave the other races twisting in the wind for our own gain. True, the Council has done that to us, and many other races, in the past... but I didn't want to stoop to their level. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Point is, my Shepard loves Ashley and he once managed to convince her to be more open minded about working with other races, and to be more open minded towards their attitude regarding humanity. That they might not hate us as much as she seemed afraid they might, that if we tried to help them and work together toward a common goal we might actually be able to be accepted among the other races and in turn get one step closer to a higher political power not through force but through good old alliance and working together.

I had managed to convince her, with that in mind I wasn't about to back out.

So I decided that humanity, fighting to save the Council and thus being allowed to be a member of the Council on equal terms with the other races was better. Better for the political connection between human and alien and better for the reputation of humans in the eyes of aliens in general.

Sure it felt bad that a lot of brave men and women died to save a government that had achieved almost nothing, but I took the pain because I knew in my heart (cliche, I know) that I was doing the right thing.

I made my choice and, I stand by it.

That said, behind closed doors, me Ashley and Wrex probably still call them rude names from time to time but hey, nothing's perfect.

Modifié par V-rex, 15 janvier 2011 - 11:38 .

[philiposophy]

I saved the Council because Mass Effect 2 forced the Council's composition into a dichotomy - either the old guard or the all human one. Ideally I would have liked the middle option ME1's ending hinted at - a new Council formed from all (?) Citadel species. But alas I had to pick so I went for the one with more content, guaranteed Spectre status and where that cool turian shopkeeper likes me.

[Ashaman X]

I chose to save them because humanity was in no way ready to become the Council to trillions of living beings out there. Humanity might have the energy, resolve to act quickly and so on, but by comparison, humans are still infants on the galactic scene. Shepard knew his best bet would be to save them, which would hopefully give him some points with their races, and then try to get a human onto the Council at least. Luckily for him it worked out that way. Even if they hadn't offered humanity a spot, Shep would have saved them anyway.

[Lilaeth]

I tossed a coin - the Council won. Next playthrough, they're toast!

[Siegdrifa]

I saved them because they have a purpuse on their own, i can't judge them only with the few encounter i had in the game, the council try to organise galatic peace and economy, so every time they will make a decision with a certain wisedome, there will be always complainer saying it's unfair.

I had no info in the game showing they were tyranic or rotten.

So, i naturaly choose to save them.

The second reason is, because i don't think they make a bad job (like i said, i had no proof during the game), it will help to recover from the attack.
Subit change in polical leader could cause dangerous changes if they are too drastic, keeping the same leaders will help to keep in line all those who would see the empty sit as an opportunity to change the political balance of citadel space.

Modifié par Siegdrifa, 16 janvier 2011 - 02:26 .

[DPSSOC]

Siegdrifa wrote...
I had no info in the game showing they were tyranic or rotten.

I submit the dreadnaught limitation treaty (Farixen I believe unsure of spelling)  The Council dictates that any non-Council race can only have one dreadnaught for every 3 Salarian or Asari or 5 Turian dreadnaughts.  The Council then sets military might as one of the prerequisites for admission to the Council.  Deliberate limitation of military power combined with a demand for excessive military power to advance seems pretty underhanded to me.

On topic, when I do save the Council (not often) I generally do it for the stability.  I'm unconvinced diverting forces to the Ascension is a sound tactical decision, the Council has done nothing to get into my good books, the whole system strikes me as criminal, but with the Reapers on our doorstep we can't really afford the bumps that come with a changing of the guard.  So that's it, the Council lives because I don't want to put up with the bother of replacing them.

[Zaifon]

Because it was the right choice to do, to show the rest of the Galaxy that Humans got nobility in them and that they will risk themselves for the greater good, and to save the whole Galaxy, all races need to stand united.

I hope this decision "let them die, or save them", will be of a huge impact in ME3, else i am very disappointed.

Ascension surviving, should be of a huge impact, the largest ship in council space, must mean something big! It will hopefully been upgraded since then, i sure as hell won't like it to have wasted half a fleet on saving it, just to mean nil and nothing.

Also i think the debut trailer to ME3, is probably according to how you did it in me1 and me2, i hope...

Modifié par Zaifon, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:30 .

[Joolazoo]

The answer people are basically giving is that they give in to outside pressure that humans were racist so they let that influence them into making a decision that made no sense simply so they could give the appearance of being equal towarrds everyone...that makes a lot of sense. Saving the ascension makes absolutely no sense especially when you consider the fact that at that point it wasn't a sure thing that sovereign was going to be defeated, hell even when you don't decide the save the council you still hear alliance forces wanting to pull out. You can make an argument for saving the council since we know all ends well but at the time with no hindsight saving the council is a dumb and possibly catastrophic decision.

Not to mention saving the council has almost no effect that we can see even if it's just because the developers didn't want it to play a big part. They still treat you like trash and don't listen to humans...so wtf was the point? Let the alliance soldiers die so we can save these ungrateful politicians who are WILLINGLY ignoring evidence so they can go about their lives without having to worry about the eminent disaster that is coming.

Modifié par Joolazoo, 17 janvier 2011 - 07:50 .

[Zaifon]

Joolazoo wrote...

The answer people are basically giving is that they give in to outside pressure that humans were racist so they let that influence them into making a decision that made no sense simply so they could give the appearance of being equal towarrds everyone...that makes a lot of sense. Saving the ascension makes absolutely no sense especially when you consider the fact that at that point it wasn't a sure thing that sovereign was going to be defeated, hell even when you don't decide the save the council you still hear alliance forces wanting to pull out. You can make an argument for saving the council since we know all ends well but at the time with no hindsight saving the council is a dumb and possibly catastrophic decision.

Not true, as focusing on Sovereign only, would make the Geths having free roam against the rest of the fleet, as it seemed to be the Geth fleet doing all the damage to the Ascension and Turian fleet, in the first place.

Saving a Flagship is in general a high priority, losing such a ship could only devastate the morale to such degree of making any fleet retreat.

Foolish to try save it? Perhaps, but in most cases losing such a ship in any ship battle is equal to already losing the whole war. See the Ascension as the largest Carrier on earth, it's the fleet's pride, it's the symbol for victory and endurance, do you think people would have faith in winning a war, without it?

I only saved the council because they were on it actually, lol, if the choice was to sacrifice that ship to save the council, i would have let the council die a thousand times.


Okay, so my reason wasn't for the "united" thing, more like keeping potential fleet power up, lol.

It's like SC2, you gladly let some phoenix eat up viking shots so your colossi lasts some longer, for any sc2 players out there.,  xD

Modifié par Zaifon, 17 janvier 2011 - 08:02 .

[guyhard]

On My Paragon Soldier, I saved them because:

I was forgiving.
The flagship could be useful in the future.
They did not deserve to die for their ignorance.
We needed leaders, an all human council would probably be less favorable toward the other races.

On my Renagon Engineer, I let them die.

Mostly because:

I saw opportunity for humanity in the Council's death.
There'd be less human casualties if they focused on the Reaper.
Their ignorance must be eliminated. If they were going to let galactic civilization die, I figured I would let them taste death.
I was unforgiving.

Modifié par guyhard, 18 janvier 2011 - 06:57 .

[Gnoster]

Icinix wrote...

Because it was the right thing to do.

Just finished my first playthrough ever, and this was my reason for saving them. I would have saved them if they had all hated humans just as I would have saved them if the entire council were humans.

[Epic Legion]

I just love "Ah yes Reapers *fingerquotes*" line in ME2. No other reasons tbh.

[Sandbox47]

Well I'm a Spectre. The first and last line of defence. It's my job to save them. Or didn't you guys pay attention to the speech they gave during the ceremony?

[Dimizzo]

I just remembered when i played ME secod time. In one call from the Council they said something like "Spectre must sometimes sacrifice something for greater good. We hope that you will be able to do that when necesarry". I Thought that when i will be diciding wo save council or not, i will say "Sorry, i must make some sacrifice for greater good, take care". In the end I saved them again. I think it's best thing to do, for long term. They better not make me regret my decision.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Thanks for the thread, OP.

When it comes to my decision, we have three layers here.

First, meta-gaming. Sad but true. I'm a sucker for multispecies governments and unions and I want it in my game; I'm also not fond of 'human superiority' and 'humanity leadership' ideas. I don't like ME2 with the original Council dead. Besides, the air-quotes.

As for my Shepard, TIM called her idealistic and he was actually right to some extent: she is pro-equality, pro-union, pro-collaboration; she wants humanity to be seen as part of the galactic community, not as intruders or greedy invaders that got much already and want to get even more. If humanity wants to be part of galactic community and government, we must act as such.

Also, roleplay-wise, my Shepard was born to be someone like a Spectre. This has its negative sides, sure; but she works for them, she's their first and last line of defence; she didn't abandon them.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 18 janvier 2011 - 05:52 .

[kimbabini]

nothing is better than the sweet mouth music of that salarian.

I played the game promoting a more "galactic community" concerned person than a strictly humanity concerned. one. .. lol it just doesn't work for me to have an all-human council taking on the galaxy. We'd suck.