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Well I'm a Spectre. The first and last line of defence. It's my job to save them. Or didn't you guys pay attention to the speech they gave during the ceremony?


They're not the first and last line of defense of the council....this is like a sergeant in the army choosing saving his commanding officer instead of saving his country. Spectre's may get assigned missions by the council but they work for the citadel races not the individual members of the council. It's Shepards job to save the citadel as well as civilization in general, he's not the personal bodyguard of the council. In the end it's just way too big of a risk...if you're right and saving the ascension  doesn't prevent you from taking down sovereign you saved 4,000 lives or something, but if you're wrong you just let galactic civilization be completely destroyed because you wanted to save 3 individuals who have basically been wrong every step of the way and have treated you horribly while also not even having enough faith in you to believe that you would help colonies that aren't human.

Modifié par Joolazoo, 18 janvier 2011 - 08:39 .


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Joolazoo wrote...

Sandbox47 wrote...

Well I'm a Spectre. The first and last line of defence. It's my job to save them. Or didn't you guys pay attention to the speech they gave during the ceremony?


They're not the first and last line of defense of the council....


actually they are. And it is said so in the specter induction ceremony when the turian councilor talks.

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Mostly because I'm a contrary son-of-a-gun. The game tries SO HARD to get the player to dislike the politicians (meaning the councilmembers + Udina), playing them so close to all the worst parts of the "bureaucrat" stereotype, without any redeeming qualities in sight. This kind of ham-fisted characterization annoys me enough that I usually rebel against it, resenting the lousy writing more than I do the characters. I save the Council to prove that the writers' attempts at pathos were transparent and unsuccessful.

Ultimately, though, it's tough not to metagame, in that you know that the game's writers won't let the consequences of your decision end up being too disastrous. This isn't a '90s Sierra adventure game-- they're not going to let one dialogue choice late in the game mean "you lose, Reapers return, all spacefaring civilizations in the galaxy are wiped out, better luck next time." Anybody picking the "protect the Council" option knows that they're still going to get the chance to Save the Day and kick the Big Bad Guy's rear.

Edit: hilariously oversensitive filter.

Modifié par Enoch VG, 18 janvier 2011 - 09:03 .


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Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Also, roleplay-wise, my Shepard was born to be someone like a Spectre. This has its negative sides, sure; but she works for them, she's their first and last line of defence; she didn't abandon them.


This seems to come up a lot and I have to ask, where does this loyalty come from.  I mean really what have they ever done to earn your loyalty?  They hindered the initial investigation, did nothing to assist you in tracking Saren, and refused to let you go after him when you finally knew where he was heading.  So where does it come from?

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DPSSOC wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Also, roleplay-wise, my Shepard was born to be someone like a Spectre. This has its negative sides, sure; but she works for them, she's their first and last line of defence; she didn't abandon them.


This seems to come up a lot and I have to ask, where does this loyalty come from.  I mean really what have they ever done to earn your loyalty?  They hindered the initial investigation, did nothing to assist you in tracking Saren, and refused to let you go after him when you finally knew where he was heading.  So where does it come from?

While I can't speak for others, for my character it comes a lot from this:

(A = Asari, S = Salarian, T = Turian)
A: It is the decision of the Council that you be granted all the powers and privileges of the Special Tactics and Reconnaissance branch of the Citadel.
S: SpecTRes are not trained, but chosen; individuals forged in the fire of service and battle; those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file.
A: SpecTRes are an ideal, a symbol; the embodiment of courage, determination, and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the Council, instruments of our will.
T: SpecTRes bear a great burden. They are protectors of galactic peace, both our first and last line of defense. The safety of the Galaxy is theirs to uphold.
A: You are the first Human SpecTRe, Commander. This is a great accomplishment for you and your entire species.


What have they done to earn the loyalty of my canon Shepard? They made her a SpecTRe. The game may not do the best job of showing how big a deal it really is, but it's a Big Deal™. Being chosen to be a SpecTRe is not supposed to be a small matter to be taken lightly. It should be the highest ideal and highest honor that anyone serving in any way for the Council could aspire to. Coming from those politicians, the ideals and responsibilities they speak of may seem like lip service, but my femShep takes them very seriously. She will do what is right for the council races and for preserving galactic peace (and therefore doesn't favor any particular race; obviously my canon femShep is completely against Cerberus).

For my part, spending human lives to save the Destiny Ascension and take care of the Geth fleet while waiting for the wards to open in order to attack Sovereign was the right thing do to, both tactically and out of a sense of duty.

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Oh, also, I have to take issue with this:

did nothing to assist you in tracking Saren


Well, nothing except give you 4 planets which seem highly likely to have events or people that might lead you to him (Therum, Feros, and Noveria at the start, and then Virmire when they get the signal from the STG).
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Modifié par Interactive Civilian, 19 janvier 2011 - 06:12 .


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DPSSOC wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Also, roleplay-wise, my Shepard was born to be someone like a Spectre. This has its negative sides, sure; but she works for them, she's their first and last line of defence; she didn't abandon them.


This seems to come up a lot and I have to ask, where does this loyalty come from.  I mean really what have they ever done to earn your loyalty?  They hindered the initial investigation, did nothing to assist you in tracking Saren, and refused to let you go after him when you finally knew where he was heading.  So where does it come from?


Hmm. To clarify: my Shepard isn't loyal to just asari, turian and salarian. I.e. we're not talking about personal loyalty here (you did something for me personally, so I am loyal). She's loyal to them because they are the Councilors, representatives of the government system she believes to be best. (Also, in my personal canon the current Council is making many decisions that are not shown in the game itself - decisions my Shepard agrees with.)

When someone becomes a soldier he/she is loyal to the commanding officer not because the officer did something to earn it, but because that's how the military system works.

Edit: but, well, they do help you to find Saren, in fact, they do want you to find and stop Saren. (IIRC the beloved turian Councilor is the one who stripes Saren of his Spectre status when given the evidence of his treachery.) :) Yes, the conversation in the second game wasn't very pleasant but it's such an obvious plot device that I can hardly take it seriously.

Modifié par Big stupid jellyfish, 19 janvier 2011 - 02:53 .


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The council made you a spectre, sure, and while you were a Spectre they offered nearly no help, were being pretty annoying, and then after all that, they betray you and almost doom the Galaxy.



So yeah, I doubt they deserve anything from me.

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guyhard wrote...

The council made you a spectre, sure, and while you were a Spectre they offered nearly no help, were being pretty annoying, and then after all that, they betray you and almost doom the Galaxy.

So yeah, I doubt they deserve anything from me.


What kind of help were you expecting from them, exactly? They gave you privileges (the ability to open all doors in Citadel space, to do basically whatever you want and get away with it) and access to the best equipment available at that time; but well, that comes with joining the Spectres. They gave you directions and information vital to your investigation.

Other than that, Spectres are supposed to be pretty much on their own.

As for the 'betrayal' part, I guess that depends on your definition of 'betrayal'.

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I saved them because the galaxy would have been in worse shape had they not survived. At least they even had the guts to talk to me whereas the new council would just ignore me.

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I saved them because the galaxy needs to see that humanity is not just looking out for itself but that it's willing to commit sacrifices to help the other races in hope that they will look out for humanity whenever humanity needs help. The cutscene that you get by saving the council is also the best one in the game IMO.

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Interactive Civilian wrote...
What have they done to earn the loyalty of my canon Shepard? They made her a SpecTRe. The game may not do the best job of showing how big a deal it really is, but it's a Big Deal™. Being chosen to be a SpecTRe is not supposed to be a small matter to be taken lightly. It should be the highest ideal and highest honor that anyone serving in any way for the Council could aspire to.

 
Yes but the discussion with Nihlus seems to indicate you were chosen based on what you'd done, to me that makes is a position/reward that I've earned, for which I owe them nothing.  I don't feel any particular loyalty to my employer because they hand me a paycheck or give me a promotion because I've worked to earn those things, they're my due

Interactive Civilian wrote...
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Oh, also, I have to take issue with this:

did nothing to assist you in tracking Saren

Well, nothing except give you 4 planets which seem highly likely to have events or people that might lead you to him (Therum, Feros, and Noveria at the start, and then Virmire when they get the signal from the STG).
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If memory serves I got Feros, Noveria, and Therum from Anderson and Udina (Feros as a human colony wouldn't have come up on the Council's radar so that's definitely Alliance intel).  Virmire was just them demanding I pull their unit out of the frying pan, I lucked out that it helped my mission but I'm under no delusions that was their intent.

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
When someone becomes a soldier he/she is loyal to the commanding officer not because the officer did something to earn it, but because that's how the military system works.


And if the commanding officer regularly impedes their ability to perform their duties placing civillians they're sworn to protect in danger?  You see I'd have no problem with the Council, no love either, if they just sat back and did nothing.  If they set me off to investigate Saren and left it at that I'd have no issue with them personally.  However they regularly (after every mission really) set themselves against me, attempt to hinder my ability to track Saren.  That's where I have an issue; I can accept that as a Spectre there is some obligatory loyalty but once they start working to impede my mission that goes out the window.

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Edit: but, well, they do help you to find Saren, in fact, they do want you to find and stop Saren. (IIRC the beloved turian Councilor is the one who stripes Saren of his Spectre status when given the evidence of his treachery.)

 
You see I don't believe that.  Considering how they handled the initial investigation I'm convinced they knew about and were covering up for Saren's actions on Eden Prime.  They may not have known the details but I'm convinced they knew he'd been there.  They only agree to take action when they couldn't hide anymore, but even then I'm of the opinion that the reason they didn't give you any solid leads is that they were still covering for him under the belief that he was working with their interests at heart.  Now maybe that's just me, maybe years of cynicism and paranoia have skewed my perception slightly but that's how I see it.

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DPSSOC wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
When someone becomes a soldier he/she is loyal to the commanding officer not because the officer did something to earn it, but because that's how the military system works.


And if the commanding officer regularly impedes their ability to perform their duties placing civillians they're sworn to protect in danger?  You see I'd have no problem with the Council, no love either, if they just sat back and did nothing.  If they set me off to investigate Saren and left it at that I'd have no issue with them personally.  However they regularly (after every mission really) set themselves against me, attempt to hinder my ability to track Saren.  That's where I have an issue; I can accept that as a Spectre there is some obligatory loyalty but once they start working to impede my mission that goes out the window.


I guess that's a matter of personal perspective then. I, for once, didn't actually feel that they set themselves against me.

As for placing civillians in danger, yes, they did that because Shepard lacked evidence about the real threat, aka 'Reapers', and about the Conduit. Sure my Shepard wasn't very happy, and I wasn't happy with their decision either, but it was made because of lack of evidence and information.

(My Shepard also made a 'wrong' decision because of the very same reason; she killed the Rachni Queen.)

DPSSOC wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
Edit: but, well, they do help you to find Saren, in fact, they do want you to find and stop Saren. (IIRC the beloved turian Councilor is the one who stripes Saren of his Spectre status when given the evidence of his treachery.)

 
You see I don't believe that.  Considering how they handled the initial investigation I'm convinced they knew about and were covering up for Saren's actions on Eden Prime.  They may not have known the details but I'm convinced they knew he'd been there.  They only agree to take action when they couldn't hide anymore, but even then I'm of the opinion that the reason they didn't give you any solid leads is that they were still covering for him under the belief that he was working with their interests at heart.  Now maybe that's just me, maybe years of cynicism and paranoia have skewed my perception slightly but that's how I see it.


That's an interesting theory, thank you for sharing. However, that's just your mind!canon until we're given any solid evidence in ME3 or related media. It can perfectly explain why your Shepard is against the Council if he/she shares this belief, and if it works for your playthrough, great. I guess we can say it's part of your Shepard's story, and I respect that. But well, we don't share your mind!canon. :)

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For me the debate here clearly shows what is great about the game: You can make arguments for going both ways really. Saving the council is an act for the greater good, the protection of the galaxy's main political decision-makers and if they die, the effect on the galaxy's people could be devastating. On the other hand looking at the bigger picture, you loose military power if you spend too many resources saving few people considering Shepard at that time knows it's a matter of time before the rest of the reapers arrive.

These kind fo dilemmas are what make the game great for me, precisely because there is no right or wrong (in my opinion at least). The same goes for decisions on the following:

Killing the Rachni queen / the geth (ME2): Is it really up to Shepard to decide to kill an entire species or in the case of the geth commit genocide.

Keeping the collector ship around to study (ME2): The ship is a dead thing and could provide the galaxy with invaluable input in the coming fight against the reapers, but on the other hand giving that technology to an organization like Cerberus is questionable just like it is a huge risk to take because it is unknown technology and no one knows what can happen.

For me the council is a symbol for the civilizations in the known galaxy, and thus is it my duty to protect them at all cost, just like (if I were a soldier) I would protect the prime minister of my country (or the queen even though she doesn't have any power at all).
Regarding my other two examples I would personally never decide to kill the rachni queen or destroy the geth because both races show to have for lack of a better word "a soul", and killing them would mean I would be no better than my enemies. The collector ship, though I destroyed it in my first playthrough, I honestly would save next time around. The technology is important to study and the risk worth taking for the coming fight against the reapers.

Ofcourse these opinions are how I feel in real life and thus in my "main" playthrough, but in other playthrough I deliberately deviate from those opinions just to see the consequences.

Modifié par Gnoster, 20 janvier 2011 - 08:51 .


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It's interesting to me that many have called saving the Council the choice made "for the greater good." In fact, that same exact line was what Liara told my Shep I had done after I decided to sacrifice the Council in favor of taking out Sovereign.

For me, the choice also boiled down to what my squadmates thought. I had Liara and Tali in my party, and Tali was blatantly against sacrificing the human fleet to save the Council. Her opinion made sense to me, given the Quarian idea that only the captain should go down with the ship, and that every individual must answer to the collective whole. It seemed to me that Tali was asking the question "what makes the Council so important that thousands of lives must be sacrificed to save them?"

Liara argued the other side, stating that the whole "Council vs. Sovereign" question was bigger than humanity. However, when I chose to let the Council die, she understood, or at least kept any negative opinions to herself.

What did others encounter with different squadmates/different choices in that scene?

Modifié par bloodtallow, 20 janvier 2011 - 08:11 .


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Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
I guess that's a matter of personal perspective then. I, for once, didn't actually feel that they set themselves against me.

As for placing civillians in danger, yes, they did that because Shepard lacked evidence about the real threat, aka 'Reapers', and about the Conduit. Sure my Shepard wasn't very happy, and I wasn't happy with their decision either, but it was made because of lack of evidence and information.


ok so let's ignore the real threat and focus on the apparent threat, Saren and his army of Geth, out there, somewhere, unopposed, because the Council does nothing.  Now I call the Alliance on this too, patrols should have been increased if an actually military presence wasn't feasible.  Then when we find out where Saren is do they try to cut off routes to the Terminus so the Geth can't launch surprise attacks on more colonies?  No.  Do they send in their handy stealth ship to attempt a covert take out or at least reconnaissance?  No.  What they do is divert their military forces away from the civillians they're supposed to protect to guard the Citadel, just the Citadel.  The Council was given a lot of rope and all they did was hang themselves with it, I say let them hang.

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
That's an interesting theory, thank you for sharing. However, that's just your mind!canon until we're given any solid evidence in ME3 or related media. It can perfectly explain why your Shepard is against the Council if he/she shares this belief, and if it works for your playthrough, great. I guess we can say it's part of your Shepard's story, and I respect that. But well, we don't share your mind!canon. :)


Or as I said it could just be me being a paranoid cynic.  I'm fully willing to admit the Council could be the most pro-human group in the galaxy and I'd still see something sinister in it.  So in short they can't win.

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DPSSOC wrote...

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...
I guess that's a matter of personal perspective then. I, for once, didn't actually feel that they set themselves against me.

As for placing civillians in danger, yes, they did that because Shepard lacked evidence about the real threat, aka 'Reapers', and about the Conduit. Sure my Shepard wasn't very happy, and I wasn't happy with their decision either, but it was made because of lack of evidence and information.


ok so let's ignore the real threat and focus on the apparent threat, Saren and his army of Geth, out there, somewhere, unopposed, because the Council does nothing.  Now I call the Alliance on this too, patrols should have been increased if an actually military presence wasn't feasible.  Then when we find out where Saren is do they try to cut off routes to the Terminus so the Geth can't launch surprise attacks on more colonies?  No.  Do they send in their handy stealth ship to attempt a covert take out or at least reconnaissance?  No.  What they do is divert their military forces away from the civillians they're supposed to protect to guard the Citadel, just the Citadel.  The Council was given a lot of rope and all they did was hang themselves with it, I say let them hang.


As for the 'real threat' - once again, the Council didn't have any evidence that the threat was, well, real.

Ah, it's hard for me to argue actually 'cos I've played ME1 quite some time ago and don't remember conversations per se... Still, if youtube videos don't lie, 'patrols were stationed at every mass relay linking Citadel space to the Terminus Systems' © my favourite turian councilor

'Citadel space is an unofficial term referring to any region of space controlled by a species that acknowledge the authority of the Citadel Council' © wiki

So, they protected all mass relays that could've been used by Saren/geth to approach colonies/planets inhabited by species the Council's responsible for, or so it looks to me.

If you believe there was a mistake and Councilor Valern meant 'the Citadel only' when talking about 'Citadel space' -- well, everyone (and Shepard as well) suggests that Saren is going to attack the Citadel, not some colony. Thus, Citadel is a potential number one target and must be protected in the first place. But IIRC every time 'Citadel space' comes up in the games it does mean 'any region of space controlled by a species that acknowledge the authority of the Citadel Council'.

As for not sending the Normandy to Ilos - yeah, I agree they could've done it, since we're stealthy and all, even though they didn't believe in Reapers/Conduit that much. We could've tried to kill Saren and eliminate the threat anyways, regardless of how real Reapers are. I guess Councilors didn't believe Shep would be subtle enough. Of that decision I disapprove. :)

Edit: Hey, can't believe I'm taking part in a pro-Coincil/anti-Council argument since I've forsworn it! You, sir, have done the impossible. :)

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What have they done to earn the loyalty of my canon Shepard? They made her a SpecTRe. The game may not do the best job of showing how big a deal it really is, but it's a Big Deal™. Being chosen to be a SpecTRe is not supposed to be a small matter to be taken lightly. It should be the highest ideal and highest honor that anyone serving in any way for the Council could aspire to.

 
Yes but the discussion with Nihlus seems to indicate you were chosen based on what you'd done, to me that makes is a position/reward that I've earned, for which I owe them nothing.  I don't feel any particular loyalty to my employer because they hand me a paycheck or give me a promotion because I've worked to earn those things, they're my due.

We'll just have to agree to disagre, then. However, I do think that it is a slight flaw in the game that how big a deal it is to become a SpecTRe was not adequately addressed. Or, perhaps it's a feature, so that it leads to different individual game-play experiences, such as our separate interpretations of the event.

In my interpretation, being chosen to be a SpecTRe is much MUCH more than just a job promotion and new title. Yes, you were chosen based on what you'd done (they even say that in the induction speech: "SpecTRes are not trained, but chosen; individuals forged in the fire of service and battle; those whose actions elevate them above the rank and file."). But, not just anyone is chosen to be a SpecTRe. The way they frame it, it strikes me that you have to be not only truly extraordinary in your actions and abilities, but extraordinary in your dedication to the protection of the galactic community. Again, this is just how I interpret it. You've shown your stuff enough to get the attention of the Council and have them send Nihlus to take a look at you for consideration. But you don't get made into a SpecTRe because you deserve it, but because you've earned it. It's not meant to be a reward. It's meant to be a terrible responsibility ("SpecTRes bear a great burden"), and being chosen as a SpecTRe means the council believes enough in your strength, abilities, and dedication to trust you with such responsibility.

Again, in my interpretation. And being trusted with such responsibility has earned them my loyalty, at least moreso than any other single faction in the Galaxy.

Of course, there's also the possibility that your assignement as a SpecTRe could be the equivalent of Harkin getting to work with CSEC. But, the way I play my Shepard, she lives up to the ideals of what being a SpecTRe should be. Partly because she has something to prove (showing that Humans can handle the responsibility and stand with the rest of the Council), and partly because she believes that's the right way to be.

Relating this back to the main topic of the thread, this is not directly why I saved the Council during the Battle at the Citadel. I wasn't motivated only by blind loyalty to save 3 politicians who, aside from granting me such responsibility, had frustrated me to no end. No. In saving the Council, I was doing 3 things: I was saving the idea of the Council, embodied in the 3 individuals who currently occupied it; I was saving the Destiny Ascension and her crew; and I was removing the Geth threat so that all forces could focus on Sovereign once the wards opened.

At least, that is how I rationalize it now. ;)

As I said earlier in the thread, my first original decision was more of an instinctual "this is the right thing to do" decision. I'd played my first play-through blind, and I'm not much of an RPG player, so I didn't honestly know beforehand what kinds of consequences either decision would bring, so I made the more emotional choice of what I thought was the right thing to do.

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Because my Shepard only truely cares about his own personal power.



Being killed didn't scare him much so he took the chance to save the council and have them owe him one.



He's screwy like that.

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I save them because:



1. they know how to run the bureaucracy that runs Council Space.

2. If I'm playing as a Paragon, it's because I feel Shepard's unofficial job is to show that Humanity is Playing by their Rules and Winning.

3. If it's as a Renegade, it's so they're in my debt. "Remember the time I saved your scaly (rear) from a giant robot squid?"

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 I guess I'm just a nice guy, which is reflected in how I play my Paragon.  I also figure humanity can gain a lot more respect and trust by working with and helping the many species of the galaxy, as opposed to just spitting on them.  Shepard argues in ME2 that a lot more people were aboard the Destiny Ascension than were aboard all the lost cruisers combined, so there's that too.  The Ascension was also the most powerful ship present at the time, which I decided could prove useful against Sovereign.

After my Renegade DID say to hell with 'em, I also realized that the cinematics for saving the Council (the ensuing space battle, namely) are way cooler than just watching the fleet sit by like useless lumps of metal as one of their best assets is blown to bits.

And I really wanna see that turian's face when Reapers block out the sun.  Dismiss THIS, ya sonuva...

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And I really wanna see that turian's face when Reapers block out the sun.  Dismiss THIS, ya sonuva...


They still won't believe it. They'll think the humans are mistaking the invasion for a solar eclipse.


I guess my Shepard...er...well, I was naive enough to believe the council would see Sovereign, and say: "Oh...she was right. Damn it. Assistant, remind me to send her a gift basket." The Geth ships looked nothing like Sovereign, so I thought it was only natural for the councilors to put two-and-two together after my Shep warned them about the Reaper attack. And maybe for a moment the councilors did understand what was happening, yet as soon as Shepard died - the only person who would continue to fight for the truth and make headway with the public - they made her out to be a lunatic for believing in machines that had any interest in taking down their "all powerful" civilitation.

The meeting between Shepard and the Council in ME2 reminds me of the practice of brainwashing in Orwell's 1984. The council not only convinced the public that the Reaper attack was nothing to worry about, but they also convinced themselves. I was so disgusted, I told them to shove their Specter offer up their ass, and I did not need their help. That felt REALLY good.

But I also believe that by saving the Council, I proved to the other alien races that humanity was willing to work with them, and serve as their protectors if the need arose. Otherwise, if I left the Council to die, everything would just go to ****. Good-bye peaceful relations with the races. *waves*

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Because the asari councilor is hot.

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It seemed like the right thing to do, also it shows them that humanity really is the superior species. Because lets face it, they wouldn't do the same thing.

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because im a metagaming morality robin hood pansy

nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

to save the giant asari ship, but then after I realized that many human ships got wrecked, so in everyone of my other playthroughs I would always let them die.

Modifié par Mecha Tengu, 23 janvier 2011 - 09:34 .


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I thought about it for a moment. I let the council die with no mercy, I gave them a taste of their own medicine. They treated humans with no respect like we we're animals. What made hesitate for a moment was thinking of the passengers. I mean 10,000 of them. Only ones I felt sorry for was the passengers. Sovereign was a threat so that was a priority, he started to really annoy me.



I saw opportunity for humanity rather than being treated like third class citizens. We would replace the council with our own, take control be on top. We would give the orders, rather than taking them like some b!tch. Shows all the other aliens, first don't underestimate us, and don't disrespect our kind.



Putting the aliens in the position of being the minority. I put humanity as a priority first rather than this "Let's get all along with rainbows" crap. I put anderson on the council, the politician pissed me off when he grounded my ship. Now all the aliens are our b!tch now, we are in control. If I could I would take the citadel to orbit earth, make it this center of power. I rather have others depend on us, rather depend on others. Shows your strength, and independence.