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[Augustei]

Ja5ck wrote...
Why did you save the council?

I didn't lol

[Kaitheus]

I saved the council because once they realize Shepard was right the entire time there start thinking twice before 2nd guessing his actions/motives, and start rallying there own fleets in preparation for an offensive!

[MurderHouse]

The council represents a presidential body and the Spectre are the Councils agents and personal guard. In Genesis Shepard says if the council falls the fleet (all of them) would be in disarray. So logically saving the government body is imperative even if they are towels.

If you're playing a renegade role you probably don't sweat it but for Paragon you may want the council around. The other races seem to resent or are less decreed by Shepard not saving the council.

TL;DR
The council represents the President or King, Dictator, Pharaoh. Shepard is secret service...

[GoG ToXiC]

Well Vigil (the prothean VI on Ilos) said that they lost their government body and everything just started falling apart, so I figured it would be bad if I let that happen. Also, I play pretty much strictly paragon, and I figured their are probably a lot of people aside from the council on the Ascension as well.

[Quole]

Because I want the rest of the Galaxy to trust me and NOT hate me.

[ReallyRue]

I saved them because of what Virgil said, about how the Reapers appeared, killed the government, and left the rest of the Protheans confused and leaderless. And the last thing you need after defeating Sovereign is a political struggle.

[joe4201]

"look at that thing its main gun could tear through any ship in the citadel fleet"-Ash



Yeah, that worked out real well.

[Cypher0020]

As a Spectre its my job to protect them and the galaxy.....jerkish as they are, they still hold all of the galactic communiites together

[Shonuff31]

I saved them to set an example in the galaxy, to show Humans are strong and can be trusted, something I felt was lacking in the government. Even put my ol Captain Anderson as a member of the console. Nothing like seeing Udina get slapped around after chastising me about releasing the Rachni Queen.

Then ME2 came *** Spoilers ***

Was really ticked at how they treated me when I was dead for 2 years, more so how they acted like what I did did'nt matter. They offered me a chance to become a Specter again once I finished my Suicide Mission.

I told them to get stuffed! Nobody screws Nathan Shepard

[fenixraven]

Serpenttt92 wrote...

Humans can't control the galaxy.

No but we can dominate the galactic markets with an ever increasing chain of starbucks and subways
the VLB Varren Lettuce BBQ is a good starter

[HippeusOmega]

you know i ask this very question each time i am forced to make the choice in ME1. I have no idea why I do it. Both the original council and the human council have a bug up its butt in the 2nd game. I usually play Paragon so i usually save the original council. Have to say i may play more renegade with my Paragon save file from ME1 and ME2 in ME3. Just cause my Shepard tried warning the alliance and the council races and all i got was a slap in the face by the council and a court martial from the alliance and they want me to save their butts in ME3?

Edit: Makes me wonder why i burnt my bridge with the Illusive Man in ME2? Oh yeah they are the main villians in ME3. Go Figure!

Modifié par Panznerr, 29 août 2011 - 02:09 .

[mbr.to]

id save them anytime again.
just for the "thank god its the alliance" line and the heroic cutscene

[AngryFrozenWater]

In most of my games the Council didn't make it. In some I let them survive, just to see if I can slap the turian councilor in ME3.

[mredders91]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

In most of my games the Council didn't make it. In some I let them survive, just to see if I can slap the turian councilor in ME3.

indeed im hoping that at someone point in me3 you can airquote him on "reapers"

[gh0st wh1sp3r]

Honestly, I did it for the air quotes. I react to the storyline based on what I'd actually do, but I want that councilor live long enough for me to let him get killed by a Reaper.

Asari Councilor: "Commander Shepard - we've been urgently trying to contact you. The Reaper threat is here - we need your assistance!"

Shepard: "..."

Salarian Councilor: "You are the only one who has experience with dealing with this Reaper threat. We are unanimously in agreement to give you any and all resources, information, or whatever else you need to coordinate our forces in a defensive strike against them."

Shepard: "..."

Turian Councilor: "You were right about the Reapers - I admit it! I'm sorry! We should've listened to you, but now the threat is a reality! Help us, Shepard!"

Shepard: "..."

Asari Councilor: "Shepard?"

Shepard: "..."

Turian Councilor: "Shepard?! I apologized!"

Shepard: *air quotes* "'Ah, yes. 'Reapers.'" *click*

Maybe I'll save them. Maybe I won't. But I sure as h*ll hope they sh*t their pants before I make my decision.

[Nightdragon8]

The reason I "saved" the council is that in reality letting ships go down in flames just isn't cool. Not letting them being completely destoryed helps you in the long run. Not only if you save people you get veterns out of the battle. You also gain stronger allies.

[CrazyGreggy]

"Destiny Ascension, you're all clear. Now let's blow this thing and go home."

[CM26617]

Why did I (or rather, my version of Shepard) save the Citadel Council?

Call me an idealist or alien-lover, but, in the shoes of Cmmdr. Shepard, I simply thought I must. In the same way the Spectres represent the Council in their wetwork, the Citadel Council represent a united galactic community. If the Council was killed, the potential fallout could have had dire consequences down the road.

The cost to the Arcturus Fleet may have been high, but "the needs of the many..." .

[SnakeB78]

I saved the council for a few reasons:

1- I'm a Spectre, I work for them and the 'ideal' that they represent which is peace and unity in the galaxy.

2- Because I thought what happens when a President or governing body is taken out by force ? Instability is the result, various factions would fight to gain more power because of the tragedy and I didnt think it would be an opportune time for power struggles with Reapers invasion coming.

3- I never took offense with their looking down on me and second guessing my every move. Think about it, they didnt know what Shepard knew, they had to take his word for it and frankly all that information looked kind of incredible at first glance. Well okay i did disconnect from my talk with them after the Virmire mission because I was already on edge because of a soldier's death but that's just human nature.

4- Because the Alliance in my opinion is sincere about wanting to join the Citadel Races in peace and stability and unity, and I was a soldier (IRL) and i definitely know that any true soldier would be ready to die to save its leaders. So I thought that the brave Alliance soldiers would understand that the ultimate ssacrifice had to be made to save the "Presidents" and as such prove ultimately that humanity will stand side by side with all the other races against the reapers.

Finally i also thought that maybe (and thats speculation) the Protheans died because they were alone against the Reapers, seems to me that they were alone in controlling the universe and their must have been other species out there at their time. Maybe they made the mistake of thinking they are superior to others and want all the power. Humans have the chance to gather allies from various species with strenghts that can improve on human weaknesses.

[Reorte]

Mostly because I was viewing all the forces as an allied whole, and letting the most powerful ship in that fleet get trounced didn't seem like a sound tactical move. It's not as if the geth weren't still around anyway so all that delaying the Alliance fleet arrival would do is result in more of the battle being with worse friendly odds, and therefore overall more friendly ships getting destroyed. The only reason for holding back would be that you want the rest of the council's forces to be weakened, always an option for a renegade Shep.

It would have possibly been a more interesting choice if the Council was on a small ship trying to flee the area and saving them would've required diverting forces from fighting the geth and Sovereign.

[Johnny Shepard]

In my first playthrough I did it because it was the right thing to do. But thinking about it since then, I now know I risked the whole universe to save them. By saving them instead of putting it all on stoping Sovereign could have had the effect that Sovereign won and the Reapers invaded from the Citadel before anybody was ready. I think thats why 2 of the 3 options have you letting the Council die and only one saving them.

1. Save them att all cost. (the right thing to doe)
2. Concentrate on Sovereign and don't waste ships for anything else. (the logical and smart thing to do)
3. To hell with the Council. (speaks for it self)

So now when I am playing my canon playthrough I am going to let them die but make sure that the new council still is of mixed races. To risk everything to save them would mean that they are more importent than everybody else and they are not.
Letting people die to save others are never really right. But letting thousands die to save billions... the price of failing is to great.

Sure, we know that it all goes well whatever we deside but the point is: Shepard doesn't. He can't reload a save if things go wrong.

Modifié par Johnny Shepard, 23 décembre 2011 - 01:25 .

[Zubi Fett]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

In my first playthrough I did it because it was the right thing to do. But thinking about it since then, I now know I risked the whole universe to save them. By saving them instead of putting it all on stoping Sovereign could have had the effect that Sovereign won and the Reapers invaded from the Citadel before anybody was ready. I think thats why 2 of the 3 options have you letting the Council die and only one saving them.

1. Save them att all cost. (the right thing to doe)
2. Concentrate on Sovereign and don't waste ships for anything else. (the logical and smart thing to do)
3. To hell with the Council. (speaks for it self)

So now when I am playing my canon playthrough I am going to let them die but make sure that the new council still is of mixed races. To risk everything to save them would mean that they are more importent than everybody else and they are not.
Letting people die to save others are never really right. But letting thousands die to save billions... the price of failing is to great.

Sure, we know that it all goes well whatever we deside but the point is: Shepard doesn't. He can't reload a save if things go wrong.

I m with you, even if I know it will go well any way...saving the Council looks like most irresponsable decision. For the great or good, has you say if you fail cause of it...entire galaxy goes on a massive genocide. 

Sadly,theres no collor on that decision.

I saved the Council(4 time i paly the game or so) to see what changes on Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 25 décembre 2011 - 12:54 .

[Yezdigerd]

Johnny Shepard wrote...

In my first playthrough I did it because it was the right thing to do. But thinking about it since then, I now know I risked the whole universe to save them. By saving them instead of putting it all on stoping Sovereign could have had the effect that Sovereign won and the Reapers invaded from the Citadel before anybody was ready. I think thats why 2 of the 3 options have you letting the Council die and only one saving them.

1. Save them att all cost. (the right thing to doe)
2. Concentrate on Sovereign and don't waste ships for anything else. (the logical and smart thing to do)
3. To hell with the Council. (speaks for it self)

So now when I am playing my canon playthrough I am going to let them die but make sure that the new council still is of mixed races. To risk everything to save them would mean that they are more importent than everybody else and they are not.
Letting people die to save others are never really right. But letting thousands die to save billions... the price of failing is to great.

Sure, we know that it all goes well whatever we deside but the point is: Shepard doesn't. He can't reload a save if things go wrong.

The thing I wonder about is why would you think saving the alliance fleet for the battle with Sovereign would accomplish what the Citadel fleet didn't?  The game made a pretty big deal about humanity being a military minnow.

[Zubi Fett]

Yezdigerd wrote...

Johnny Shepard wrote...

In my first playthrough I did it because it was the right thing to do. But thinking about it since then, I now know I risked the whole universe to save them. By saving them instead of putting it all on stoping Sovereign could have had the effect that Sovereign won and the Reapers invaded from the Citadel before anybody was ready. I think thats why 2 of the 3 options have you letting the Council die and only one saving them.

1. Save them att all cost. (the right thing to doe)
2. Concentrate on Sovereign and don't waste ships for anything else. (the logical and smart thing to do)
3. To hell with the Council. (speaks for it self)

So now when I am playing my canon playthrough I am going to let them die but make sure that the new council still is of mixed races. To risk everything to save them would mean that they are more importent than everybody else and they are not.
Letting people die to save others are never really right. But letting thousands die to save billions... the price of failing is to great.

Sure, we know that it all goes well whatever we deside but the point is: Shepard doesn't. He can't reload a save if things go wrong.

The thing I wonder about is why would you think saving the alliance fleet for the battle with Sovereign would accomplish what the Citadel fleet didn't?  The game made a pretty big deal about humanity being a military minnow.

The Citadel fleet have to fight a big Geth fleet, the Alliance focus 100% on the Severeign. Also,  i think Sovereign is more vulnerable in the position he is trying to activate the Citadel Relay for few minutes way Alliance fleet is opening fire massively on him.

By the way, when Joker contact by radio, he says he is with the entire Arturos fleet so, is this the name of Alliance fleet? or is it just one fleet of the Alliance?

Modifié par Zubi Fett, 25 décembre 2011 - 11:26 .

[Reorte]

Zubi Fett wrote...
The Citadel fleet have to fight a big Geth fleet, the Alliance focus 100% on the Severeign. Also,  i think Sovereign is more vulnerable in the position he is trying to activate the Citadel Relay for few minutes way Alliance fleet is opening fire massively on him.

Sovereign is just the most powerful ship in the attacking force. Not getting all available friendly ships into the overall fight ASAP simply doesn't make sense to me unless you want an Allied victory but still want the other races to get weakened and not yours. The overall outcome of such a move would be total Allied losses higher, but fewer human ones.

To me, leaving the council to die would only make tactical sense if they were fleeing elsewhere and saving them would divert forces from the fight against Sovereign and the geth. I don't chose to save the Council, I chose to stop the most valuable military asset around from being trashed and to increase friendly forces during the Battle of the Citadel.