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[Fraevar]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

I wouldn't say Bioware games have crappy graphics. On the pc side of things I WOULD like to see current features like Directx 11 features supported but overall their graphics aren't terrible. I do however wish they weren't forced into using low res textures for environments just to make sure the framerate doesn't die on the consoles and end up using those same low res textures on the pc because it would cost more otherwise.

This. So much this.

[uzivatel]

Because they can get away with it and lack the ambition to do better...



That said Mass Effect games are good looking on consoles - not the best there is, but decent nonetheless.

[Nyaore]

Honestly, the game could look like some early N64 experiment and I still wouldn't care about the graphics. Graphics should take a backseat to the story and gameplay, at least in my humble opinion. Otherwise you could wind up with something that plays more like a moving picture book than an actual game. Take FFXIII for example. The imagery was heartbreakingly beautiful to the point where I could spend hours just gazing at the various locations in contentment before forcing myself to move onto the next objective. However in spite of that fact, as most people who have played the game will tell you, the fundamental gameplay aspects were horrid and the story a touch nonsensical. When the gameplay is considered a chore by a good portion of your fanbase it doesn't matter how beautiful the graphics are. Good graphics can only hold your attention for so long.Then on the other hand you have games like Origins, which chose not to employ the latest in graphical technology to make everything hyper realistic and produced enough substance to make up for it.

Would better graphics be nice? Yes. Is Bioware terrible for chosing to spend their money on other aspects of the game? Hardly.

Frankly I find it horrendously sad that games these days seem to be judged more for their superficial aspects like texture and polygon counts and less for their actual substance. A game doesn't, and more importantly shouldn't, need to look cutting edge to be good.

Modifié par Nyaore, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:00 .

[LPPrince]

Err......what?



I got my friend to play ME1 a few weeks back. While he didn't find it interesting(the loser is pretty much only a fan of diehard shooters and nothing else), he did say that ME1 had some really great graphics, even 3 years later.



He hasn't even seen ME2 yet, but I bet if he does he'll say its one of the best he's seen.



And he'd be right.

[Reinnaert]

Instead of whining about graphics you should be whining about the length of the game. I'm always happy to play Bioware games but I just miss the games were you spend loads of time in it.(I had over 100 hours on baldur's gate 2 if I recall).

[LPPrince]

My last playthrough of ME2 was 70 hours long, so I wouldn't say their games are short.

[crimzontearz]

my average ME2 playthrough is 30/40 hours and I finished it about what 15/20 times



(cue my sadness at the loss of NG+ in DA2)

[HTTP 404]

I think the bottomline is that graphics is the highest priority.



But OP mentions mass effect? really? they may not be cutting edge but they definitely compare to competitors. What OP should have stuck with is the Dragon Age series. Each to their own.

[Reinnaert]

LPPrince wrote...

My last playthrough of ME2 was 70 hours long, so I wouldn't say their games are short.

That's pretty long, completed it 3 times but most I had was around 50 hours(still a lot and more than the average game).

[fastlane88]

Dragon Age 2 has full DX11 so stop crying

[Lord_Saulot]

Reinnaert wrote...

Instead of whining about graphics you should be whining about the length of the game. I'm always happy to play Bioware games but I just miss the games were you spend loads of time in it.(I had over 100 hours on baldur's gate 2 if I recall).

An 100+ game to me is fun for game I play once, or go back to after a few years.  But for a game I want to play multiple times from the get-go (like DAO or DA2), 45-65 hours would be my ideal time.

[Legbiter]

Graphics? Bah, I buy Bioware games for the story.

[Reinnaert]

Legbiter wrote...

Graphics? Bah, I buy Bioware games for the story.

[mr_luga]

Maria Caliban wrote...

In Exile wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm not sure if this is a disagreement with me or not. Is flawless skin and well-applied make-up out of character for Leliana? Or, are you saying she's less attractive than the default model to you?

It's out of character for Leliana circa DA:O. There is actually a banter with Morrigain about this.

That reminds me: Half the time I couldn't hear those banters over the sound of my boots clacking. Hope the volume is raised a bit in DA 2.

You walked while they bantered? XD I Was too worried they might stop from a cutscene or something so I always stopped up when they started talking

[slimgrin]

Legbiter wrote...

Graphics? Bah, I buy Bioware games for the story.

where have I heard that before...

[Lord Gremlin]

FYI: For example Final Fantasy XIII on PS3 looks gorgeous. Stunning. Too bad the game itself is meh. So, let Bioware focus on more important things, other than graphics I mean.

[Blacklash93]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

Dr. wonderful wrote...

...You got a game studio, who care about the story and characters...and you worry about graphics?

Pity the Gamer for they can not pity themselves. -_-"

They did pretty well with the graphics in all of their previous efforts. Is it wrong to expect them to do the same here?

I can't speak for DA:O, But I can speak for Mass Effect series, when I say the Graphics are good, they are.

I played it on all three systems and I do declear there is nothing wrong with it.

DAII Artstyle already managed to beat Origins, so as far as I can tell, everything is in order.

And I want the same to apply to DA2. I don't want DA2 looking lackluster compared to ME2, a year-old effort.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 14 janvier 2011 - 11:21 .

[DJBare]

fastlane88 wrote...

Dragon Age 2 has full DX11 so stop crying

It's not full, they have used some DX11 paths for things like lighting, shadows and tesselation, I believe Stanley Woo comments on this in another thread, they are still "tweaking"

[crimzontearz]

I'm still curious as per what some people would answer to the example I made. where does a different art direction become "sub-par tech"?

[VampireCommando]

Veex wrote...

If you think Mass Effect 2 has poor graphics I'd be interested to know which games you think are cutting edge, graphically speaking.

[Lord_Saulot]

crimzontearz wrote...

I'm still curious as per what some people would answer to the example I made. where does a different art direction become "sub-par tech"?

When people fail to distinguish their subjective preferences from objective technical quality.  It is quite common on internet forums.

[Legbiter]

slimgrin wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Graphics? Bah, I buy Bioware games for the story.

where have I heard that before...

Last time you pinched a loaf?

[crimzontearz]

so, take darksiders and GoW2. Same engine, Same hardware...is GOW better because it is photorealistic?



I can see the labor that went in DA2's visuals...above all in kirkwalls envirnments. I cannot bring myself to say it's subpar

[iEthanol]

Legbiter wrote...

Graphics? Bah, I buy Bioware games for the story.

You make it sound like Bioware is placed with the dilemma of: better graphics or better story. That notion is silly. The game script is often written well before the game is made (or during early production). Either way the writters and the programmers/3D designers are completely different people. Two departments which both get paid to do a job.

While I agree that the story department is doing well, clearly the 3D design departmet is lacking. And there is absolutely no reason for them to be. ME2 looks good, but DA:O was just god awful. The only other game I can compare it to as far as crappy facial graphics is anyhting from Bethesda.

[hangmans tree]

MerinTB wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

MerinTB wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
MerinTB wtf are you smoking? TW2 looks so much better its not even close. Ugh...never mind. I've ran into a wall here...

I'm smoking the "so sick of hearing people preach about Witcher stuff" drug that puts a haze of hatred over anything to do with the game.

It's an unfair situation to the game, sure, but the Talimancer haters can understand the sentiment.

So, again to be fair, I'm so not interested in TW2 that I'm not an objective observer.

Bias noted - no, I don't think TW2 screens that have been shown to me constantly are impressive.  *shrug*

Well at least you admit your bias. I'd have to be blind not to accept that The Witcher 2 had better graphics than DA2, or that Crysis 2 had better graphics than both. Such is the curse of objectivity, I suppose.

I hate to play this card but -
what you do MEAN by "better" graphics?  Is there some objective scale to measure against?  Aren't whether graphics are better or worse, ultimately, up to the eye of the beholder?

Is cubism worse than a photo because it isn't "real looking" or has less DPI?

I think it's mostly a matter of taste.  Does TW2 utilize more of an advanced graphics card's functions than DA2?  That may be possible, but it still doesn't make it objectively "better" just more technologically demanding. *shrug*

I don't think TW2 looks better than DA2.

And, further bias noted - I'm absolutely NOT a fan of the art style of DA2, so... take that for what you will.

dude/dudette
please, with so much relativism you shoot yourself in the foot right there. how can you keep a discssion when you say that Paris can be somewhere between north and south poles?
Rankings and comparisons exist for a reason and game, so called, journalists make them an important part of the gaming community.
One can say that if one artstyle is preferable (chosen by majority) it is superior, right? On the other hand you can say its for the massess, its mainstream crap! Ho would you describe DA2 then? Huh? Is it that good coz most of RPG fans will choose it (or not) a rpg GOTY? Or is it that GOTY is a proof of its mainstreamisation?

I would like to quote Tiger: Baah!