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[Naitaka]

Well to Bioware's credit, I see DA2 picking up on some of the thing Alpha Protocol did right. Heck, framed narrative? Attitude indicator? There are things that I worry about in DA2 but the story and how they handle choice and consequences certainly isn't one of them.

[AlexXIV]

Inarborat wrote...

Malsumis wrote...

TW2 does look much better, but it's chance of being a turd like the first are pretty good too.

Sorry but boob cards don't make a good game.

You're clearly trolling with that post, I can feel your Bioware superfan powers warming up, and I'll bite.  You're basing the entire game on a completely optional portion.  The Witcher, as well as Alpha Protocol, did choice and consequences better than Dragon Age.  By a lot.  I'm hoping the DA devs and ME devs took notice and improved that for future games.  The Witcher is a good game, it's just not your type of game.

Now for my trolling, DA2 looks like a PS2 game.  Take that as a negative if you want.

If he's trolling then so are you. Name me one such decision which TW did better than BW.

[SetitUP]

To be honest I don't think the graphics were "crappy" in either game. Were they the best in the world? No... Were they bad? Certainly not. And Dragon Age 2 is a step up for me.

[Naitaka]

You know what would be awesome? For PC version to get exclusive high-res texture pack which I know will never happen in a million year! I'm sure most texture been downscale to accomidate console port anyway, so it's not as if they don't have a high-res source.

[Nashiktal]

The decision whether or not to give the elven guerrillas the "food" supplies or not.

[AlexXIV]

Nashiktal wrote...

The decision whether or not to give the elven guerrillas the "food" supplies or not.

To help the order or the guerillas is like the only real choice you make throughout the whole game. If you don't count the horrible romance (which is, granted, optional). I didn't feel it was a hard choice knowing at that point that the village was lead by a bunch of criminals who also are allies of your enemy.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 janvier 2011 - 09:30 .

[Nashiktal]

If you count that as the only real choice you must have skipped a lot of content. I know the witcher has many flaws, but morally grey choices are not one of them.

[uzivatel]

mad825 wrote...

Graphic ****s.

They never change, they would rrather if somthing looked good even if it meant sacrificing gameplay/story/plot.

They are nothing but a cancer in the gaming sociality.

Are you for real?

[Nashiktal]

Actually Inar, you dont know if those barrels have weapons the first time you play through them. You are told the barrels are filled with food and supplies. You only find out later the barrels have weapons with them after the guy dies.

[Naitaka]

AlexXIV wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The decision whether or not to give the elven guerrillas the "food" supplies or not.

To help the order or the guerillas is like the only real choice you make throughout the whole game. If you don't count the horrible romance (which is, granted, optional). I didn't feel it was a hard choice knowing at that point that the village was lead by a bunch of criminals who also are allies of your enemy.

I'd have thought you'd pick the villager base on what you said in the blood magic thread. 

1. Urgent need to find stolen Witcher forumlaes
2. Village Elder has paper to get you into Vizima
3. Fighting an unarmed woman vs a mob full of angry villagers

I'd have taken the villagers' side if my primary concern was to get those stolen formulaes back as soon as possible as their lasting impact on the world would be much greater than some back water village that I probably won't even return to ever.

Inarborat wrote...

Name one game that has handled
that well.  Video games don't lend themselves well to romance options.  I
think they can be fun and add a little bit to the story but the
inevitable sexing scene always, always comes off as cheesy.  I don't
place the blame on the devs, more on the limits of video games as a
medium.

Can I cite Japanese adult dating simulation game?

Modifié par Naitaka, 15 janvier 2011 - 09:41 .

[AlexXIV]

Inarborat wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If he's trolling then so are you. Name me one such decision which TW did better than BW.

The Witcher excelled in presenting gray area choices.  The two main factions had good and bad points, which DA also did well in some areas like The Dalish vs The Wolves...The Chantry vs The Mages not so much.  Do I give these weapons to the Scoi'atel, the oppressed by humans, guerfilla warfare elves or standby the human who I told I'd safeguard the weapons?  This affected the plot in many ways but seemed like a small, inconsequential choice at the time. 

DA was basically good and not so good choices that really only affected the final battle.  I liked those choices, don't get me wrong!

I would like to hear your rebuttal and leave it at that because we are getting off-topic, no thanks to me.

As far as I know your choices pre chapter III in the witcher didn't matter. And it didn't really change the end result. Granted, in DA:O you also kind of had to kill the archdemon in any case, but at least you had companions which fate you influenced. The worst immersion breaker in TW was for me the whole Shani - Triss thing. You can't even avoid it thanks to the juvenile attitude of the devs. If you choose to give the boy to the sorceress the game automatically assumes you like her more than the nurse. Which is complete bat****. And the other way round the same. It's a magical child and best kept by a sorceress. And you are a witcher who has obviously worked with the sorceress before, hell she even was with you at the witcher castle, so she kinda works with witchers.
 
And for some unknown reason you are by this decision put on the 'married with child road'. Granted, you can jump off it, but the game still makes you feel bad about it. If ever try to play the game without having sex at all you will notice that quests are linked to doing it for once, and there is no other way to finish them. Also after chapter III Triss throws you on the bed even though you have no clue why, especially inconsiderate since you lost your memory and don't know more about her than any other person. So basically in-game rape. Guess the devs assume since she is good looking this is ok or something.

The most disappointing thing about the game though is that whatever you do, in the end you fight your endboss and that's the only real thing you do. Because everything else you do, does not have any effect. Whether you helped the Order or the Scoia'tael gets relativated in the epilogue. You don't get to know what any npc is doing after the game. The witchers of from start somehow 'diappeared' for example, and whatever any other npc of the game is doing afterwards remains a mystery. Obviously the only way to make some sense to the game is to have read the novels first.

That was my witcher rant, which doesn't belong here. But as long as people keep bringing up the game I will have to tell them why they should not even compare it to Bioware games. I can appreciate and respect that the devs of the witcher are new in the industry and not doing bad for that. But their game still can't compare to Bioware games in quality or content.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 janvier 2011 - 09:57 .

[AlexXIV]

Naitaka wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

The decision whether or not to give the elven guerrillas the "food" supplies or not.

To help the order or the guerillas is like the only real choice you make throughout the whole game. If you don't count the horrible romance (which is, granted, optional). I didn't feel it was a hard choice knowing at that point that the village was lead by a bunch of criminals who also are allies of your enemy.

I'd have thought you'd pick the villager base on what you said in the blood magic thread. 

1. Urgent need to find stolen Witcher forumlaes
2. Village Elder has paper to get you into Vizima
3. Fighting an unarmed woman vs a mob full of angry villagers

I'd have taken the villagers' side if my primary concern was to get those stolen formulaes back as soon as possible as their lasting impact on the world would be much greater than some back water village that I probably won't even return to ever.

Inarborat wrote...

Name one game that has handled
that well.  Video games don't lend themselves well to romance options.  I
think they can be fun and add a little bit to the story but the
inevitable sexing scene always, always comes off as cheesy.  I don't
place the blame on the devs, more on the limits of video games as a
medium.

Can I cite Japanese adult dating simulation game?

Well just because I want grey choices doesn't mean I will choose them. Letting a bunch of criminals burn the woman wouldn't have been a choice. I did not attack them though, they attacked me after I beat the beast. So it was their choice to jump at my blade.

Edit: Also Witchers and Witches need to stick together, don't they?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 janvier 2011 - 09:49 .

[Nashiktal]

That would make his head explode.

[AlexXIV]

Inarborat wrote...

Thanks for the post AlexXIV!  Enjoyed reading it and have to agree on certain points for sure. 

Now, whether DA2 lives up to Bioware's standard of content...we'll have to wait and see.   Definitely not a fan of "streamlining" but I hope the game is great and all my fears are alleviated...whenever I actually play it.

I think everyone, whether they admit it or not, feel the same about DA2.

I also hope that even though they seem to use less ressources for DA2 they still make a game as great as DA:O from it.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 15 janvier 2011 - 10:21 .

[RavenStorm]

 After we're done praising The Witcher 2's awe-inspiring graphics. We can complain that we don't get to create our own character. We're stuck playing as that fugly white haired Witcher. Maybe I want to be one of those elves. Or one of those Monsters. Oh don't forget about that Hack and slash combat. Plus aren't they adding quick time events? By the Gods What will we do ? (Oh yeah and he even had a Voice Actor in the first game )

 Oh and I don't think Darksiders used the Unreal Engine: community.darksiders.com/forums/topic/456

 Speaking of Unreal they have made available UDK for free for non commercial purposes. So why doesn't the community get together and give Bioware some competition? (If you put Elves in your game, Please take inspiration from Drew Hayes-Poison Elves) Or you could use Unity 3. ???

Modifié par RavenStorm, 15 janvier 2011 - 10:21 .

[Naitaka]

I thought there are multiple character specific armor depending on what time period you are in? I don't quite mind the whole companion not wearing the same armor as Hawke problem, evantually, if a toolset+ is indeed released, we can fix all that and more by ourself anyway.

[Melca36]

I wonder what is the age range of  the people who prefer graphics and those people who do not consider a graphics a main priority and just want an overall good game as a whole. :innocent:

[AlexXIV]

Inarborat wrote...

RavenStorm wrote...

 After we're done praising The Witcher 2's awe-inspiring graphics. We can complain that we don't get to create our own character. We're stuck playing as that fugly white haired Witcher. Maybe I want to be one of those elves. Or one of those Monsters. Oh don't forget about that Hack and slash combat. Plus aren't they adding quick time events? By the Gods What will we do ?

Hehe, I know!  I can't wait to create my dwarf character in DA2!  I'll take white hair over a  posh accent like Hawke, .

No one knows how they've revamped the combat but they've mentioned Batman:Arkham Asylum and Demon's Souls as possible influences.  Both GREAT things in my opinion.  I dont' mind qtes if they're done tastefully.

Staying topic relevant, I am slightly disappointed by the lack of party appearance customization.  I understand the stylized aspect of the characters but would it be so hard to design and implement multiple character specific armor suits?  Please correct me if I'm wrong in thinking that.

Judging by what they did with ME2, you get DLCs which include optional armor ...

[AlexXIV]

Melca36 wrote...

I wonder what is the age range of  the people who prefer graphics and those people who do not consider a graphics a main priority and just want an overall good game as a whole. :innocent:

Well let's say people who played games ... like 15-20 years ago already are not so much put off by bad graphics