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[Shepard Lives]

commanderVal wrote...
Patience is a virtue we could all use. I wonder if Bodahn has some for sale?

That ****** would jack up the price too much anyway.

[Gibb_Shepard]

BaudolinoX wrote...


I`ve been playing the mass effect and dragon age franchises and always irks me about the games is the really awfull graphics.

Bioware appears to be consistently half a generation behind it`s competitiors. I`ve played bioware games for the story, but i tend to buy games on large part for their graphics as well.

Even Dragon age II which was supposed to have upgraded graphics looks years old already and it`s not even out yet.

Gameplay graphics look foggy with bland textures and awkward gestures. I love a good story, but if the gameplay and graphics aren`t up to par then, for me at least, the entertainment value takes a dive.

With everything that has been said about improved graphics it was depressing to find that the actual graphical difference is negligible- i doubt there will be an overhaul these last two months. Afterall the game has to enter production shortly if it`s to reach the outlets in time.

I was going to pre-order the game, but these last two weeks looking at the gameplay footage have turned me away. I`ll wait for the Eurogamer: Digital Foundry  and IGN reviews before i decide whether to actually buy the game at all.

I had hoped Bioware put more effort into designing the game- there are so many good looking games on this generation i`m left utterly bewildered as to how BioWare manages to consistently lag so far behind the curve.

If BioWare simply lacks the competence to do the design work why not stick to making stories and gameplay concepts while hiring someone else to do the graphical presentation?

It`s a legitimate question- no one has accused BioWare of cutting edge graphics- maybe cutting edge effort with outdated graphics engines, but not cutting edge graphics..

Are you freaking kidding me?

Mass Effect 1 still competes graphically with games released to this day, and in it's time looked amazing. ME2 is the best looking game on the 360.

I agree with you about Dragon Age, but Mass Effect? No freakin' way.

[Dune01]

Because graphics aren't everything

[BaudolinoX]

Limbo is great - an artistic game.

There were plenty of great ps1 and ps2 games. That is not the point. Point is the graphics comparison within the current generation. I loved the original silent hill and thought i looked great but i would never play it again because by todays standards it looks like crap and it would ruin my memories of it..

ME 1 and 2 and DAO would be far more impressive with updated graphics. It`s not an unreasonable assumption and it`s far from impossible. It would have been possible to develop those games with far superior graphics and certainly it would have been possible to develop DA2 with better graphics. It`s not an unreasonable expectation and it`s certainly not unreasonable to wonder why BioWare consistently stay so far behind what can potentially be achieved.

Foggy visuals, bland textures, poor lighting, crap shadows and minimalistic environments.

Lets look at this another way- Red dead redemption might not have had cutting edge graphics either- which was a developmental choice. However, the game had great lighting and the environment came to life in a way that none of the BioWare games do. Environments in ME are stale at the best of times and even if DAO environments seem to have more IN them they just don`t come to life like they did in Red dead redemption.

What i`m getting at is that BioWare makes great stories and an epic universe, but they seem lazy when it comes to the presentation of it. They lift you up with the stories, but soaring on that epicness it`s difficult, at least for me, to get passed the blandness of environments and average graphics- which there really is no reason for them have. It should not be that difficult for them to provide a presentation that does justice to their stories

Modifié par BaudolinoX, 14 janvier 2011 - 01:33 .

[magicwins]

I believe that they do it specifically to annoy you.

[jelf rs]

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 had decent graphics at their time of release. But Dragon Age Origins had crappy graphics at its time of release. And looking at the screenshots released, Dragon Age 2 would have the same, if not worse, graphics quality as Dragon Age Origins.

It would be really sarcastic as in March two highly anticipated games will be released, Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2. Though the two games are not of the same genre, it would be fun to see that while Crysis 2 has the best graphics, Dragon Age 2 still only has the graphics quality half a decade ago.

[ViSeiRa]

First:


Second: in the last dev diary and the IGN preview the game has shown a considerable amount of upgrades in terms of graphics, animations and visuals overall.... there's animated hair, various object interactions, better face morphs and an overall "clean" art design.... if you want to compare other games sure you can do that but graphics is at the bottom of most people's lists when it comes to RPGs... and BTW ME2 was one of the best looking games in 2010, deal with it.

[Gibb_Shepard]

BaudolinoX wrote...

Limbo is great - an artistic game.

There were plenty of great ps1 and ps2 games. That is not the point. Point is the graphics comparison within the current generation. I loved the original silent hill and thought i looked great but i would never play it again because by todays standards it looks like crap and it would ruin my memories of it..

ME 1 and 2 and DAO would be far more impressive with updated graphics. It`s not an unreasonable assumption and it`s far from impossible. It would have been possible to develop those games with far superior graphics and certainly it would have been possible to develop DA2 with better graphics. It`s not an unreasonable expectation and it`s certainly not unreasonable to wonder why BioWare consistently stay so far behind what can potentially be achieved.

Foggy visuals, bland textures, poor lighting, crap shadows and minimalistic environments.

Lets look at this another way- Red dead redemption might not have had cutting edge graphics either- which was a developmental choice. However, the game had great lighting and the environment came to life in a way that none of the BioWare games do. Environments in ME are stale at the best of times and even if DAO environments seem to have more IN them they just don`t come to life like they did in Red dead redemption.

What i`m getting at is that BioWare makes great stories and an epic universe, but they seem lazy when it comes to the presentation of it. They lift you up with the stories, but soaring on that epicness it`s difficult, at least for me, to get passed the blandness of environments and average graphics- which there really is no reason for them have. It should not be that difficult for them to provide a presentation that does justice to their stories

Now your saying one of the most amazing looking games, RDR, does not have good graphics?

Someone is a Crysis junkie.

[UndercoverDoctor]

Try playing Dragon Age: Origins on consoles.

[Saibh]

BaudolinoX wrote...

Limbo is great - an artistic game.

There were plenty of great ps1 and ps2 games. That is not the point. Point is the graphics comparison within the current generation. I loved the original silent hill and thought i looked great but i would never play it again because by todays standards it looks like crap and it would ruin my memories of it..

ME 1 and 2 and DAO would be far more impressive with updated graphics. It`s not an unreasonable assumption and it`s far from impossible. It would have been possible to develop those games with far superior graphics and certainly it would have been possible to develop DA2 with better graphics. It`s not an unreasonable expectation and it`s certainly not unreasonable to wonder why BioWare consistently stay so far behind what can potentially be achieved.

Foggy visuals, bland textures, poor lighting, crap shadows and minimalistic environments.

Lets look at this another way- Red dead redemption might not have had cutting edge graphics either- which was a developmental choice. However, the game had great lighting and the environment came to life in a way that none of the BioWare games do. Environments in ME are stale at the best of times and even if DAO environments seem to have more IN them they just don`t come to life like they did in Red dead redemption.

What i`m getting at is that BioWare makes great stories and an epic universe, but they seem lazy when it comes to the presentation of it. They lift you up with the stories, but soaring on that epicness it`s difficult, at least for me, to get passed the blandness of environments and average graphics- which there really is no reason for them have. It should not be that difficult for them to provide a presentation that does justice to their stories

What perhaps you don't understand is that often things like human character models aren't as detailed so things like environment are. RDR was extremely impressive visually, but they didn't focus heavily on one aspect--the faces. Assassin's Creed and Prince of Persia did the same. Any sandbox or open world game would.

In any case, ME1 looked impressive visually when it came out. Jade Empire, too. ME2 is constantly praised for being beautiful.

Clearly, you care way too much about graphics. The idea you wouldn't enjoy a classic game because it looks old? Even though you already liked it? How ridiculous.

[obsessedwjpn]

I love how jaded gamers are today concerning graphics and visuals in a video game. People say that video games are a visual medium and they should please the eye, of course, but not only are graphics NOT the main point to any video game in my opinion but art is seen differently by different people. Maybe at almost 23 I am getting too old and just can't deal with all these high glossy, 3D graphics that everyone loves: but I personally find some graphics nowadays on game systems TOO high spec, so much so that they take away from the story and the gameplay.



If you don't like the graphics, don't buy the game, it's as simple as that. There are those of us who like the way Bioware does their games, every aspect of it at that, and old timers like me can't understand how jaded gamers think these days.

[UndercoverDoctor]

Bioware should just make Dragon Age III on the Crytek engine, know what I'm saying?

[The Elder King]

jelf rs wrote...

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 had decent graphics at their time of release. But Dragon Age Origins had crappy graphics at its time of release. And looking at the screenshots released, Dragon Age 2 would have the same, if not worse, graphics quality as Dragon Age Origins.
It would be really sarcastic as in March two highly anticipated games will be released, Dragon Age 2 and Crysis 2. Though the two games are not of the same genre, it would be fun to see that while Crysis 2 has the best graphics, Dragon Age 2 still only has the graphics quality half a decade ago.

Do you see the last IGN preview? the graphics looks very good, and was the console version. Plus, in the last dev diary the game has shown some impressive animation, like hair moving. I'm sure that Crysis will have a better graphics, but DA2 will have at least a decent graphic, if not better. The IGN preview was based on the November-December's version of the game, and the devs said that they are still working on the graphics. Judge the game when is released.

[Matchy Pointy]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I love how jaded gamers are today concerning graphics and visuals in a video game. People say that video games are a visual medium and they should please the eye, of course, but not only are graphics NOT the main point to any video game in my opinion but art is seen differently by different people. Maybe at almost 23 I am getting too old and just can't deal with all these high glossy, 3D graphics that everyone loves: but I personally find some graphics nowadays on game systems TOO high spec, so much so that they take away from the story and the gameplay.

If you don't like the graphics, don't buy the game, it's as simple as that. There are those of us who like the way Bioware does their games, every aspect of it at that, and old timers like me can't understand how jaded gamers think these days.

I couldn't agree with you more, so I jsut quote this for my opinion as well.

[SteveGarbage]

Story>Characters>Gameplay>Graphics - Least important factor of games I play.

[psychocandy]

the graphics are fine in me1-2 and da, textures are another matter, way too low quality and poorly knitted together

yay for mods that fix this(sorry console users)





i may have lied with my sorry

[Elite Midget]

Graphics aren't everything...



This game will still sell millions.

[DarthCaine]

Every company focuses their budget on different things.
Crytek, for example, has yet to hear of a little thing known as WRITERS.

Modifié par DarthCaine, 14 janvier 2011 - 02:04 .

[Xewaka]

I believe the OP would get a heart attack looking at what I'm running at my top-spec gaming PC. Hint: Barring New Vegas, the most modern game is from ten years ago.

[psychocandy]

DarthCaine wrote...

Every company focuses their budget on different things.
Crytek, for example, has yet to hear of a little thing known as WRITERS.

they did create the annoying quote...."yeah but can it play crysis"

[Hellcat Maggie]

Bioware games are awesome! That said, Dragon age origins had terrible graphics, but an art style that I could appreciate and really added to the feeling of the game world. Dragon Age 2 looks good, I'm liking the improved animations, but there is no denying that in comparison to certain other RPG's it looks pretty mediocre.



That is not to say I won't enjoy the game, I prefer story over graphics as many here do, but every now and again I'm probably going to cringe just slightly at some low res textures or backgrounds.



Ultimately my question is, why can't they use the Mass Effect 2 engine for Dragon Age? judging by that game's quality in both story and graphics bioware could have certainly produced a better looking version of DA 2 (not that I'm complaining really, I'm just excited to play it)

[Stinkface27]

It seems like the trailers and even the gameplay footage never do the games justice. I wouldn't say DA:O was the best looking game ever..but the videos you see of it makes it look much worse than it is. I'm assuming the same is true for DA2.



As for Mass Effect 2, I still marvel about how gorgeous it is every time I play it.

[heretica]

ViSeirA wrote...

First:


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I love this. Should be a sticky in the front page.

[hangmans tree]

Well, we shall see bout the graphics. But have in mind the closest equivalent is The Witcher which is also voiced, and heavy on story/character design. And, by the way, looks marvelous and as much alive (pre-beta) as one could hope for DA2 to be at release...dammit.



SO the question still is not whether it can or can not be done. Its why it isnt.

[Eclipse_9990]

Sigh..