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[Youmu]

Ah yes making Leliana look like porn model, perfect example of how "modding" makes things awesome.

[EclipticOlive54]

megaz635 wrote...

Really? Bad Graphics?

I believe you need to go see an eye doctor.

I'm with you on that

Modifié par EclipticOlive54, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:38 .

[iEthanol]

Youmu wrote...

Ah yes making Leliana look like porn model, perfect example of how "modding" makes things awesome.

Talk to Bioware about that.

The modder simply stayed true to how she looks in the trailer.

[MerinTB]

iEthanol wrote...
I rest my case.

Probably a good thing you did as you lost me.

Now, I love the Sacred Ashes trailer but I hate the art style - I think Morrigan, Leliana, Sten, the dragon, et al save the Darkspawn, are not good looking to me.

I don't like how Leliana LOOKS in the game, but I just don't like how Leliana looks period.  I far prefer the unmodded one to the shiny skinned, weirdly solid-looking hair mass that is the modded one shown. *shrug*

Just my opinion.

[Naitaka]

You know, I've actually had my fair share of gripes with DA:O's visual, but that lies more in artistic direction than anything else;however, I've still come to accept the game for what it is. Bioware's set design simply has never really broken away from being a "stage" instead of a more open and seamless part of the world visually. The scale of most props on set either look completely ridiculous (World of Warcraft is the best example of this, imho) or simply fail to create the sense of grandeur it's meant to convey. That is not to say that I prefer an open-world environment per se. If you look at Final Fantasy XIII, the level design is horrible from a gameplay perspective, however visually their shape language and grasp on scale is probably one of the best I've seen from a RPG in ages. Xenoblade on the other hand, is an example of a game having sub-par graphic quality (It's on wii afterall) but breathtaking visual style. Here's a video of it if you want to see what I'm talking about. Anyhow I guess I'm getting off topic so I'm just going to stop here.

Modifié par Naitaka, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:08 .

[AlexXIV]

iEthanol wrote...

Youmu wrote...

Ah yes making Leliana look like porn model, perfect example of how "modding" makes things awesome.

Talk to Bioware about that.

The modder simply stayed true to how she looks in the trailer.

I am starting to think you mix up 'I don't like the way she looks' with 'bad graphics'.

[Russalka]

What an interesting thing to complain about with less than two months to go until release. I think the solution right now is: do not buy it.



I like the graphics. But games do not have endless budgets, so they cannot please everybody.

[iEthanol]

AlexXIV wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

Youmu wrote...

Ah yes making Leliana look like porn model, perfect example of how "modding" makes things awesome.

Talk to Bioware about that.

The modder simply stayed true to how she looks in the trailer.

I am starting to think you mix up 'I don't like the way she looks' with 'bad graphics'.

And I'm starting to think... no, wait, I mean--- I officially now know that you're blind. Mind want to see a doctor about that, bub.

Russalka wrote...

What an interesting thing to complain
about with less than two months to go until release. I think the
solution right now is: do not buy it.

I like the graphics. But games do not have endless budgets, so they cannot please everybody.

Well, modding will save the game so I'll definitely buy it (when it's on a steam sale. Screw paying $60.)

Modifié par iEthanol, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:12 .

[Merci357]

I don't love BioWare games because of their stunning graphics, just like the reason I play them isn't the stellar gameplay either. Still they gameplay is fine and enjoyable, and the visuals are sometimes good enough to stop right there and look for a moment at a stunning panorama view. Of course I have my gripes, like the missing female animation rig in most of their games, but it's far above my personal standart where I'm no longer able to suspend my disbelief.

Still, I value plot, story, characters or dialogue far more then visuals, and as such I could enjoy even games like Alpha Protocoll. And Bio games look better then that.

[AlexXIV]

iEthanol wrote...

And I'm starting to think... no, wait, I mean--- I officially now know that you're blind. Mind want to see a doctor about that, bub.

No I can see fine, I can even see how retarded you are from here. I don't think you know anything about anything either, neither official nor inofficial.

[Naitaka]

Merci357 wrote...

I don't love BioWare games because of their stunning graphics, just like the reason I play them isn't the stellar gameplay either. Still they gameplay is fine and enjoyable, and the visuals are sometimes good enough to stop right there and look for a moment at a stunning panorama view. Of course I have my gripes, like the missing female animation rig in most of their games, but it's far above my personal standart where I'm no longer able to suspend my disbelief.
Still, I value plot, story, characters or dialogue far more then visuals, and as such I could enjoy even games like Alpha Protocoll. And Bio games look better then that.

Hey now....there's nothing wrong with Alpha Protocol's graphic. I'd say the animation is on par if not better than DA:O (Combat, and the PC's animation in general). It's only because it's an action game so Mike's stiff/goofy animation look all the more ridiculous.

[RogueAssassinX]

Youmu wrote...

Ah yes making Leliana look like porn model, perfect example of how "modding" makes things awesome.

This is kinda funny because Leliana is based off of a model.  She doesn't do porn, but has done lots of artistic nudes...

[Fiery Phoenix]

I never thought graphics were an issue with Mass Effect, although they could be better in Dragon Age. That said, I think DA II looks pretty impressive compared to its predecessor.

[AlanC9]

Well, at least my reactions are consistent. I liked iEthanol's modded Leliana less than the original version too.

Is that from DA Redesigned?

Modifié par AlanC9, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:25 .

[AlexXIV]

AlanC9 wrote...

Well, at least my reactions are consistent. I liked iEthanol's modded Leliana less than the original version too.

Is that from DA Redesigned?

I used an excluse Leliana Mod. But not because of better graphcis but rather because Leiana looked younger and better. I can look what it is named.

Edit: This

Modifié par AlexXIV, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:32 .

[iEthanol]

RogueAssassinX wrote...



This is kinda funny because Leliana is based off of a model.  She doesn't do porn, but has done lots of artistic nudes...

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Yep.

AlexXIV wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

And I'm starting to think... no, wait, I mean--- I officially now know that you're blind. Mind want to see a doctor about that, bub.

No I can see fine, I can even see how retarded you are from here. I don't think you know anything about anything either, neither official nor inofficial.

Alright, so I imply that you're retarded and the best retort you can come up with is... the same exact one? Stay classy, bub. But hey, even if I'm retarded, I guess I'm an elite retard considering with my limited brain function I can still make two cents out of you.

AlanC9 wrote...

Well, at least my reactions are consistent. I liked iEthanol's modded Leliana less than the original version too.

Is that from DA Redesigned?

I would say that is probably because you've already put so many hours into DA that you've simply grown accustomed to it. Initially I felt the same way.

Modifié par iEthanol, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:31 .

[AlanC9]

iEthanol wrote...

I would say that is probably because you've already put so many hours into DA that you've simply grown accustomed to it. Initially I felt the same way.

I don't think you're right about that. I yanked DA Redesigned halfway through my first playthrough when I realized that I hated it. Hated the designer's aethetic, I mean -- I thought that he was good at what he was trying to do, but what he was trying to do was bad.

[In Exile]

iEthanol wrote...
Yep.

Is that the actual model for CGI Leliana? This may be the first time ever I find the CGI variant more attractive than than the person they were based on.

I would say that is probably because you've already put so many hours into DA that you've simply grown accustomed to it. Initially I felt the same way.

Or, y'know, it could be taste.

Modifié par In Exile, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:38 .

[Burdokva]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
This is exactly right. What we don't have are the very best graphics possible on a platform, and that's for a very good reason: we're spending our processor and graphics resources in different places.

Asking why Dragon Age doesn't have industry leading graphics is like asking to know why you can't simultaneously issue orders and control 4 crysis suit dudes in Crysis 2, because you can control 4 people simultaneously in Dragon Age 2. Different games, different focus.

Game development is about choices and priority. That said, our graphics have consistently gotten better with each title in our franchises, and we're quite pleased with that.

With all due respect, I can't agree here. All the games pointed above (ok, I'm guessing for DAII since it's still not out) had fine lighting. Origins may have been a bit outdated or just not very "inspired", but it was still good.

What has always irked me about BioWare games is the texture resolution. I know textures can eat up a lot of memory and that even the DA team went for console priority (so lower resolution), but you do have high-res art assets, right? I've seen interviews with people from the BioWare graphics design department that featured amazing high-res textures on characters. Guys, in a game where there are so many closups having a blurry texture is a big no-no!

I know, different teams, but Mass Effect 2 had amazing shader effects, yet close-ups (esp. random NPCs) can still be horrible. Looking at trailers for Dragon Age II I see the same problem - fancy lighting, fluid animation (not necassarily a fan of the combat moves, but dialogues looked great), detailed models and... blurry textures. Very blurry textures at times.

I know there are limitations - disc space, hardware capability etc. - but I hope that at least for major characters and NPCs there could be a high-res patch.

Modifié par Burdokva, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:40 .

[Amioran]

iEthanol wrote...
I rest my case.

It is better.

Do you know how much time it took for the creator of that mod to create that variations to models (not including hairstyles that are yet another mod) to look as that? 5 months, working only on THAT, and only Leliana and Morrigan look  maybe better (from a poly count, not a "style" one), the rest have very little variations (and many are even worser than before).

If you don't have an idea of what you are talking about please shut up. A modder focuses only on a specific thing, to the exclusion of all else, because this is what s/he wants to achieve. A game is not made like that, and it will never will. The variables are completely different; so, in little words, comparing screenshots of a vanilla and modded game to prove a point of "less" polygon counts on a part only (focused in by the modder) is just an idiocy, and only proves that you don't know of what the hell you are talking about.

Modifié par Amioran, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:44 .

[AlexXIV]

iEthanol wrote...

Alright, so I imply that you're retarded and the best retort you can come up with is... the same exact one? Stay classy, bub. But hey, even if I'm retarded, I guess I'm an elite retard considering with my limited brain function I can still make two cents out of you.

Oh and there I go agreeing with you. At least if 'elite' equals 'more than most'. Sorry if that's not classy enough but it is not hard to see that you have some kind of problem that doesn't really exist and most people don't see it either. I guess it is because you have no idea what you are talking about, and that's exactly the kind of people who always complain alot for no reason. Also if you knew how easy it is to get one dollar out of me you wouldn't be so boastful about the 2 cents.

[packardbell]

I don't care. People are still replying Planescape Torement and Baldurs Gate, those are RPG fans who don't give a damn about graphics, only an interactive story. Graphics are an added bonus, sure people won't take buy a game with those kinda graphics at full price.. but yeah DA 2 has adequate graphics, and it means less stress on my gfx card.



I prefer performance over quality any day of the week but this is a very tired topic, stop beating the proverbial horse please.

[In Exile]

Burdokva wrote...
I know, different teams, but Mass Effect 2 had amazing shader effects, yet close-ups (esp. random NPCs) can still be horrible. Looking at trailers for Dragon Age II I see the same problem - fancy lighting, fluid animation (not necassarily a fan of the combat moves, but dialogues looked great), detailed models and... blurry textures. Very blurry textures at times.

I know there are limitations - disc space, hardware capability etc. - but I hope that at least for major characters and NPCs there could be a high-res patch.

ME2 (and ME) cheated. They had high-res textures for the faces, but the models capped out at a certain level.

[iEthanol]

In Exile wrote...

Or, y'know, it could be taste.

Well, yeah, I suppose there are people out there with ginger fetishes. At any rate, this argument is pointless. If the modded model was the default one and the current default was the modded, people would be arguing the vice versa. Simply put, you can't reason with fanboys.

Amioran wrote...

iEthanol wrote...
I rest my case.

It is better.

Do you know how much time it took for the creator of that mod to create that variations to models (not including hairstyles that are yet another mod) to look as that? 5 months, working only on THAT, and only Leliana and Morrigan look noticeably better, the rest have very little vars.

If you don't have an idea of what you are talking about please shut up.

Oh, right and you know exactly how long it took because you've got magical powers. I've got an idea, stop pulling stuff out of your ass, bub. Not to mention that the Redesigned mod is not created by one person--- it is a compilation of the work of several authors. On top of that we're talking about authors who have jobs, lives, etc... of course it would take them some time to release content. It's not like they are getting paid fulltime to do it (like Bioware employees).

AlexXIV wrote...

iEthanol wrote...

Alright,
so I imply that you're retarded and the best retort you can come up with
is... the same exact one? Stay classy, bub. But hey, even if I'm
retarded, I guess I'm an elite retard considering with my limited brain
function I can still make two cents out of you. ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png

Oh
and there I go agreeing with you. At least if 'elite' equals 'more than
most'. Sorry if that's not classy enough but it is not hard to see that
you have some kind of problem that doesn't really exist and most people
don't see it either. I guess it is because you have no idea what you
are talking about, and that's exactly the kind of people who always
complain alot for no reason. Also if you knew how easy it is to get one
dollar out of me you wouldn't be so boastful about the 2 cents.

Elite or not, you're still getting thorn apart by a supposed retard. I'm pretty sure that makes you something even lower. . I guess it is because you have no idea what you
are talking about, and that's exactly the kind of people who always complain alot for no reason. See what  I did there? I added a random claim with no what so ever backing, much like what you're doing. But hey, it's okay, bub. I don't mind if you pull **** out of your ass. You lack creativity due to some birth defect, I wont judge you. It happens.

Modifié par iEthanol, 14 janvier 2011 - 07:51 .

[In Exile]

iEthanol wrote...
Well, yeah, I suppose there are people out there with ginger fetishes. At any rate, this argument is pointless. If the modded model was the default one and the current default was the modded, people would be arguing the vice versa. Simply put, you can't reason with fanboys.

Meh. I'm just saying you can't talk about apperance as something objective. I happen to think the redesigned Leliana is relatively more attractive, but not an attractive model, soYMMV.

Modifié par In Exile, 14 janvier 2011 - 08:28 .