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Wait...what? Mass effect 2 and crappy graphics?

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which "new screens"

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Wait...what? Mass effect 2 and crappy graphics?


apparently it had bad closeup textures........I don't see it

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crimzontearz wrote...

which "new screens"


the ones from ign's preview.

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TW2
Diablo 3
Dues ex: human revolution
Skyrim
Arkham city

I understand great graphics don't 'make the game', it just so happens most other games, no matter the genre, have great graphics.


I don't see how these games are comparable. Arhkam City is almost a work of art compared to pretty low quality stuff like TW2 and Diablo 3 (I mean this relative to the other games you're mentioning).

I haven't seen Skyrim, so I can't comment.

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Maybe it's the fact it's a magazine scan, but it doesn't look that high quality to me (compared to, say, ME2 or DA2, which IMO looks exactly like DA:O with a swapped art style).

Modifié par In Exile, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:33 .


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nightcobra8928 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

which "new screens"


the ones from ign's preview.


ah yes......those

Uh, yes they do look good don't they 


how can someone look at the closeupos and say they are worse than origins escapes me

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D3 ? Great graphics ? Not so much... It's a Blizzard design after all : ultra cartoony with a very-low polygons count and flat textures. You can find this game attractive to your eyes because of the design but you can't tell it's better looking than DA2.



Theses games are totally different (in terms of design and gameplay) so you can't compare them.

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Er, Mass Effect 2 graphics were fantastic and DA2 has much better graphics than DAO to my eyes...

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As long as we get graphics at least of comparable quality to ME2, I'm happy.

Now if only they could something about the empty environments...

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I can only tolerate so much of those textiles. Mix it up a little. Mark a design into the ground or put in some trees or anything.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:42 .


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The modded Leliana is wearing five pounds of make-up, has flawless, shiny-smooth skin, and has a face very close to the generic blonde three-pig-tailed human PC. Nothing unique or special--just lots of make-up doing her work for her.


I'm not sure if this is a disagreement with me or not. Is flawless skin and well-applied make-up out of character for Leliana? Or, are you saying she's less attractive than the default model to you?

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:43 .


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You can decide for yourselves. 


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crimzontearz wrote...

ah yes......those

Uh, yes they do look good don't they 


how can someone look at the closeupos and say they are worse than origins escapes me


The environment looks blocky, though.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm not sure if this is a disagreement with me or not. Is flawless skin and well-applied make-up out of character for Leliana? Or, are you saying she's less attractive than the default model to you?


It's out of character for Leliana circa DA:O. There is actually a banter with Morrigain about this.

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Yes, it looks good.



It's still crappy graphics. The DX11 support is minimal, it's clear this game is emploring very little with new age PC technology, in terms of tesselation and other DX11 features.



It's sad because, with the era and setting of dragon age, tesselation of rock surfaces and well dragon scales would really turn heads. It's too bad bioware is now under EA and no longer cares about the quality of the games they make.

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Naitaka wrote...

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I don't love BioWare games because of their stunning graphics, just like the reason I play them isn't the stellar gameplay either. Still they gameplay is fine and enjoyable, and the visuals are sometimes good enough to stop right there and look for a moment at a stunning panorama view. Of course I have my gripes, like the missing female animation rig in most of their games, but it's far above my personal standart where I'm no longer able to suspend my disbelief.
Still, I value plot, story, characters or dialogue far more then visuals, and as such I could enjoy even games like Alpha Protocoll. And Bio games look better then that.


Hey now....there's nothing wrong with Alpha Protocol's graphic. I'd say the animation is on par if not better than DA:O (Combat, and the PC's animation in general). It's only because it's an action game so Mike's stiff/goofy animation ook all the more ridiculous.


Yes, I concur. I'm replaying Alpha Protocol and was actually quite impressed with the graphics myself.

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crimzontearz wrote...
1: you misquoted
2: Miranda specifically says her father engineered her looks so that she would look "perfect" as well.....read stereotypically beautiful


By whose definition of perfect?:lol:

Mirandas father may have his own tastes ya know. She may be perfect as far as he is concerned.

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Blacklash93 wrote...

As long as we get graphics at least of comparable quality to ME2, I'm happy.

Now if only they could something about the empty environments...

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I can only tolerate so much of those textiles. Mix it up a little. Mark a design into the ground or put in some trees or anything.


Considering that is supposedly a courtyard where slaves were "processed" that screen shot makes that environment look very utility focused.  (Look around any large place where utility is more important than aesthetics).

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Maria Caliban wrote...

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Saibh wrote...

The modded Leliana is wearing five pounds of make-up, has flawless, shiny-smooth skin, and has a face very close to the generic blonde three-pig-tailed human PC. Nothing unique or special--just lots of make-up doing her work for her.


I'm not sure if this is a disagreement with me or not. Is flawless skin and well-applied make-up out of character for Leliana? Or, are you saying she's less attractive than the default model to you?


Well, it wasn't so much a 'yay' or 'nay'.:D I was just saying that's my theory on why they didn't make her look like that--because she looks...hmm...fake? I mean, there's at least six ounces of mascara and eyeliner around my Warden's eyes, but that's my choice. The developers made a woman who lived in a church and tried not to concern herself with being attractive.

I agree that I could see Leliana looking a bit closer to that when she was a bard. Less plucking and glossing, though. But how she is in the game is fine. Can't say I'm a fan of her face, though. It still looks generic to me, a composite of "pretty". Hate her hair, especially. Too red.

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In Exile wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ah yes......those

Uh, yes they do look good don't they 


how can someone look at the closeupos and say they are worse than origins escapes me


The environment looks blocky, though.

Only in Kirkwall, but it makes sense in a city anyway.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 14 janvier 2011 - 09:58 .


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Lotion Soronnar wrote...

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Personally, I think it was silly. She's genetically perfect with a dad obsessed with perfection, and he didn't have her teeth straightened?



Do you even know what GENETICLY perfect means???<_<


...Well, it would mean "flawless", if such a thing could exist. Crooked teeth are a flaw. They're not supposed to be that way, it's just not a gigantic issue if they are.

In any case, I'm not saying someone genetically engineered has to be born without crooked teeth, I'm saying I imagine that's something her father would fix.

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In Exile wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

ah yes......those

Uh, yes they do look good don't they 


how can someone look at the closeupos and say they are worse than origins escapes me


The environment looks blocky, though.


the outdoors....yeah

the city tho? no, it's got the right feeling, that heavy late-roman-empire-early-medieval architectonic heft to the structures and statues......my likes 

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Leeet's keep the ME2 discussion out of the thread, okay? Stick to DA2, folks.

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Blacklash93 wrote...

Only in Kirkwall, but it makes sense in a city anyway.


I'm thinking of the new screenshots, like the ones in the caves - the caves themselves look very polygonal to me (in the early 3D sense).

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In Exile wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm not sure if this is a disagreement with me or not. Is flawless skin and well-applied make-up out of character for Leliana? Or, are you saying she's less attractive than the default model to you?

It's out of character for Leliana circa DA:O. There is actually a banter with Morrigain about this.


That reminds me: Half the time I couldn't hear those banters over the sound of my boots clacking. Hope the volume is raised a bit in DA 2.

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In Exile wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
TW2
Diablo 3
Dues ex: human revolution
Skyrim
Arkham city

I understand great graphics don't 'make the game', it just so happens most other games, no matter the genre, have great graphics.


I don't see how these games are comparable. Arhkam City is almost a work of art compared to pretty low quality stuff like TW2 and Diablo 3 (I mean this relative to the other games you're mentioning).

I haven't seen Skyrim, so I can't comment.

Maybe it's the fact it's a magazine scan, but it doesn't look that high quality to me (compared to, say, ME2 or DA2, which IMO looks exactly like DA:O with a swapped art style).


I've flipped through the magazine images - I don't think they look that great.  Bethesda always has (IMO) sub-par graphics.  That's not their strong suit, and they shouldn't worry too much about it as they sell great with mediocre graphics.

Of the above list I agree that Arkham City is like at least several levels of "pretty" above all the rest.  The rest of that list have me "meh", personally.

To be fair, I'm only moderately interesting in Arkham City (not a Batman fan, but Arkham Asylum was probably the most polished game I've ever played) and excited for Skyrim, but have little interest in Diablo 3 and no interest in Deus Ex nor The Witcher.