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[Loerwyn]

StormbringerGT wrote...
I agree but then again with digital distribution, since the game companies don't have to pay for retail costs such as boxing, disc image prssing, manuals, shipping warehouse storage etc. Should the savings be available to us the customers?

They have to pay for servers, server maintenance, bandwidth and a number of other things - Yes, it might work out cheaper, but...

If they price cheaply, it upsets the market. The PC market, in terms of Retail, is fragile enough as it is. It doesn't need digital coming in and knocking it flat as that would do a lot of damage for the gaming market.

[Fluffyfiend]

Personally, I'm glad we got DA2 on Steam. And pre-ordered for my birthday!



While I agree, I would've prefered to purchase the SE I'm ok getting the regular. Bioware isn't know for cutting core needed story/content out of a game and making it premium purchase. If that was the case I'd be up in arms. The addatives are nice. But that is all they are, nice additions. People purchasing the game at launch aren't going to get them either.



Anyways, Thanks for adding the game to Steam. It was a great early birthday surprise when my hub got it for me and I got my gift email.

[StormbringerGT]

This is good reading and food for thought.

http://www.gamesbrie...games-industry/

[StormbringerGT]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

StormbringerGT wrote...
I agree but then again with digital distribution, since the game companies don't have to pay for retail costs such as boxing, disc image prssing, manuals, shipping warehouse storage etc. Should the savings be available to us the customers?

They have to pay for servers, server maintenance, bandwidth and a number of other things - Yes, it might work out cheaper, but...

If they price cheaply, it upsets the market. The PC market, in terms of Retail, is fragile enough as it is. It doesn't need digital coming in and knocking it flat as that would do a lot of damage for the gaming market.

I agree I was merely making a counter point to the other guy.

[Loerwyn]

I bought Lead & Gold, despite being a Steamworks (I think) title, on GamersGate UK this week. Same price, and the only thing I had to do was copypasta a code into Steam.

Why, you ask? Because GamersGate is awesomesauce.

@Stormbringer; Sorry, selective reading again. I read your "should" as "shouldn't" - My mistake.

Modifié par OnlyShallow89, 14 janvier 2011 - 10:42 .

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

Moondoggie wrote...

PC gamers managed fine to find updates and patches before Steam showed up. Why not now? Do they need to be constantly asked to download updates even for games they don't even own?

The current generation needs to be hand held for everything, didn't you know that?

[StormbringerGT]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

PC gamers managed fine to find updates and patches before Steam showed up. Why not now? Do they need to be constantly asked to download updates even for games they don't even own?

The current generation needs to be hand held for everything, didn't you know that?

Blame smart phones.

[AshedMan]

I am quite upset with EA over this. I try and buy a majority of my games on Steam because it makes updating and buying installing DLC or expansions so much easier, and having a digital library is much more convenient than shelves full of boxes. It's also fairly common for retail games to not mix with digitally purchased expansions (if you didn't buy it on Steam then the expansion often won't work if you buy that on Steam). For EA to offer this signature edition on other digital service sites, but explicitly neglect Steam, really perturbs me.

BioWare, what the hell are you thinking? EA is really tarnishing your reputation.

Modifié par AshedMan, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:59 .

[Moondoggie]

StormbringerGT wrote...


I agree but then again with digital distribution, since the game companies don't have to pay for retail costs such as boxing, disc image prssing, manuals, shipping warehouse storage etc. Should the savings be available to us the customers?

If those were the main production costs maybe. However there are much higher costs in game production that need to be covered before any profit is made. Reducing prices just because there is no production of discs,manuals and cases would just be insanity.

[StormbringerGT]

Moondoggie wrote...

StormbringerGT wrote...


I agree but then again with digital distribution, since the game companies don't have to pay for retail costs such as boxing, disc image prssing, manuals, shipping warehouse storage etc. Should the savings be available to us the customers?

If those were the main production costs maybe. However there are much higher costs in game production that need to be covered before any profit is made. Reducing prices just because there is no production of discs,manuals and cases would just be insanity.

Read what I said a couple posts up

[Loerwyn]

AshedMan wrote...
It's also fairly common for retail games to not mix with digitally purchased expansions (if you didn't buy it on Steam then the expansion often won't work if you buy that on Steam).

Actually, it's fairly common for them to work with retail ones. Steam disallows purchases of expansions if you don't have the base game - i.e. if you don't have Origins on Steam, the store will not let you buy Awakening.

Most digital expansions that I can think of work perfectly fine with retail games, so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

[AshedMan]

OnlyShallow89 wrote...

AshedMan wrote...
It's also fairly common for retail games to not mix with digitally purchased expansions (if you didn't buy it on Steam then the expansion often won't work if you buy that on Steam).

Steam disallows purchases of expansions if you don't have the base game - i.e. if you don't have Origins on Steam, the store will not let you buy Awakening.

Most digital expansions that I can think of work perfectly fine with retail games, so I'm not sure where you got that idea.

Okay then you make my point even more clearly.  I prefer to buy DLC/expansions from Steam because it's more likely to end up with a bundle deal on sale.  That means I need to have the root game purchased on Steam. Thanks to the dicks at EA, I get a vanilla version and not the signature version.  

[Loerwyn]

Except that doesn't matter with BioWare products as any and all DLC is handled through the BioWare Social Network website, and as such expansions only come under that heading, not to mention that expansions on Steam tend to have a higher price for a more consistent period, whereas in a retail environment the price is more fluid and drops quicker (Especially in the UK).

Again, your point doesn't stand because it's not relevant to the product in question.

[AshedMan]

Steam offers way better sales than retail.

[Loerwyn]

AshedMan wrote...

Steam offers way better sales than retail.

And the sales last, what, two weeks at most? Retail has a more consistent lower price, and games don't sit at full price for long. 

Many times have I seen games on sale on Steam that have a higher price than retail copies. Many times.

[AshedMan]

Why even defend EA's neglect for Steam users? Do you have some grudge against Steam or something to gain?

[Loerwyn]

I'm not defending them, I'm pointing out that the was on the wall and that the signs have been there since before DA2 was even released. Massive titles from the EA catalogue are missing from Steam, even weeks from release. Bulletstorm isn't there, Dead Space 2 isn't. This shouldn't have been a surprise to anyone at all.

I'm not pro-Steam, but I'm hardly anti-Steam either.

[Moondoggie]

AshedMan wrote...

Why even defend EA's neglect for Steam users? Do you have some grudge against Steam or something to gain?

Neglect?  EA has no obligation to give Steam it's titles.  If EA wants to keep their own property to what online providers they wish including their own then that';s EA's choice.

And how do you know EA is to blame? For all you know Valve could be the reason, Stop trying to be cool by hating on EA for everything that goes wrong in your life. Maybe when the bus is late that's EA's fault too?

[telemon227]

Not sure why I'm chiming in here..... I don't know how or why it happened but it does seem strange they released SE on so many DD sites and not steam.



To me it's like releasing a huge ps3 title and not having it at a gamestop.



But really i don't care.... I'm not buying it..... i thought DA:O was a horrible game aside from the storyline.... and this whole "let's make a fully finished game then chop it into pieces and release it as DLC" is really getting to me.



But that's just my 2 worthless cents.

[AshedMan]

Moondoggie wrote...
And how do you know EA is to blame? For all you know Valve could be the reason, Stop trying to be cool by hating on EA for everything that goes wrong in your life. Maybe when the bus is late that's EA's fault too?

Try not to overreact.

[vometia]

AshedMan wrote...

Steam offers way better sales than retail.

As long as you don't mind their approach to customer service.  I do.  Then again, I tend to avoid discount retail for the same reason.

[Bryy_Miller]

CoS Sarah Jinstar wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...

PC gamers managed fine to find updates and patches before Steam showed up. Why not now? Do they need to be constantly asked to download updates even for games they don't even own?

The current generation needs to be hand held for everything, didn't you know that?

You really need to stop blanketing everyone who doesn't agree with your opinions as younger.

AshedMan wrote...

Moondoggie wrote...
And how do you know EA is to blame? For all you know Valve could be the reason, Stop trying to be cool by hating on EA for everything that goes wrong in your life. Maybe when the bus is late that's EA's fault too?

Try not to overreact.

AshedMan wrote...

Why even defend EA's neglect for Steam users? Do you have some grudge against Steam or something to gain?

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 16 janvier 2011 - 02:46 .

[fawktop]

I hope it wont have this type of [tomfoolery] for ME3.

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 18 janvier 2011 - 12:42 .

[Ob4rul3r]

Moondoggie wrote...


And how do you know EA is to blame? For all you know Valve could be the reason, Stop trying to be cool by hating on EA for everything that goes wrong in your life. Maybe when the bus is late that's EA's fault too?

Well, #1 smaller Developers/Publishers that spoke about their business relationship to Valve/Steam only had positive words about it (as an reaction to Randy Pitchford from Gearbox, that said in an Interview that Valves Steam would be bad for the PC as a platform and for smaller developers in special case - several of these smaller developers completely disagreed to what he said), #2 as said before it's mainly the EA catalogue at Steam that lacks several bigger titles and  that has mayor delays at pre-purchasing and completely lacks of preorder bonuses #3 well, EA ain't have a white vest anymore as many gamers will tell you .... I better don't write all that stuff done in one of their own forums. I hope you know what I mean.^^

To sum it up: It's more likely that all this happened because of one of EAs business decisions than one of Valves, but it's just a thought of course ... I could be completely wrong and Valve couldn't be as holy as I thought.