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[Atmosfear3]

james1976 wrote...

Eduadinho wrote...
Kasumi: Don't actually know but I am sure she is good as well

Kasumi is an infamous intergalatic thief that few have ever met or seen face to face.  Makes her an expert at evasion but I'd say there is more to her story that wasn't revealed in ME2.  I just have that feeling that there's more.

I hope so. I would love to see Kasumi return in ME3 and as a full-fledged squadmate.

[SSV Enterprise]

The problem the OP has...doesn't exist.  Shepard doesn't pick anyone at random.  (except for two).  TIM picks them out, Shepard goes to them with the "job offer", and they accept.  Seems professional to me.

As for Alliance/Cerberus operatives being better than his squad, let's see...

Does the Alliance/Cerberus have any better tech experts than a quarian special ops agent, an extra-special geth,  and the galaxy's greatest thief?  Nope.
Does the Alliance/Cerberus have any better biotics than the unique experiment called Jack, an asari justicar, or an ardat-yakshi?  Nope.
Does the Alliance/Cerberus have any better trained killers than a krogan supersoldier, the founder of the Blue Suns, Garrus (just...Garrus) and Thane?  Well...Kai Leng, maybe.  But I fail to see how getting any Alliance soldiers that are that good themselves would be any easier than recruiting the aforementioned people.

Also, Mordin did something that no human likely could have done at all: made a defense against the seeker swarms.

[TurbanSoviet]

I think that they should have done a 20 person list were some of the people wont work with other people like the decision with morinth and Samara so you could choose like cerberus and the Alliance or other "random" specialist

but with having to make choices

ex jack would leave if you continually pick up Cerberus people

[Onyx Jaguar]

Why should we assume that humans have the best training anyway?



Besides even the harder ones to justify normally would be Samara and Morinth, yet they are often in combative situations and have lived through hundred of years despite that. It has to be worth something.

[Eddo36]

xlavaina wrote...

OP I'm not sure I understand. The whole point in having Shepard build his team is in order to get the most dangerous, highly trained operatives in the galaxy. No one organization has that, and I will not falter in that point. Think about it:

Who is more tech savvy than Tali? Nobody. I can think of nobody.
Who is a better sniper than Garrus?
A better tank than Grunt (besides Wrex)?
A better assassin than Thane?
A better overall leader than the GENETICALLY ENGINEERED for said purpose Miranda?
A better ruthless, rape you with biotics warrior than Samara?

Um just because they're good at what they do doesn't mean they're the best. Tali is just another tech specialist. Garrus just another sniper who got all his training from C-sec (there are a whole branch of snipers in all militaries). Want a tank? Just put someone in heavy armor. Samara is just another biotic user (there are lots of them in the galaxy) with weapons training. etc etc.

Alliance should have people trained in all of those aspects.

Modifié par Eddo36, 15 janvier 2011 - 07:24 .

[Felfenix]

Even IRL governments, like the US military, employs mercs/freelancers.

[SSV Enterprise]

Eddo36 wrote...

Um just because they're good at what they do doesn't mean they're the best. Tali is just another tech specialist. Garrus just another sniper who got all his training from C-sec (there are a whole branch of snipers in all militaries). Want a tank? Just put someone in heavy armor. Samara is just another biotic user (there are lots of them in the galaxy) with weapons training. etc etc.

Alliance should have people trained in all of those aspects.

Darnit, InvaderErl already used the Not Sure If Serious picture.

Please, give an example of an Alliance tech that's as good as any quarian, let alone Tali, who is very good for a quarian.  Point to an Alliance soldier who can hold off three whole merc bands with just a sniper rifle.  Tell me about a human who can take as much punishment as any krogan, nevermind Grunt, who is genetically engineered to be better than all other krogan.  Also, Samara is obviously NOT "just another biotic", since Thane, Miranda, and Jacob all fail to do what only she and Jack can do in the suicide mission -- keep that barrier up and release a massive wave.

Sure, the Alliance has plenty of people trained to fight, hack, use biotics, etc.  They don't have anyone as GOOD as Shepard's team, and that's why he recruited them.  They were the best he could find.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 15 janvier 2011 - 08:17 .

[casedawgz]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

Um just because they're good at what they do doesn't mean they're the best. Tali is just another tech specialist. Garrus just another sniper who got all his training from C-sec (there are a whole branch of snipers in all militaries). Want a tank? Just put someone in heavy armor. Samara is just another biotic user (there are lots of them in the galaxy) with weapons training. etc etc.

Alliance should have people trained in all of those aspects.

Darnit, someone already used the Not Sure If Serious picture.

Please, give an example of an Alliance tech that's as good as any quarian, let alone Tali, who is very good for a quarian.  Point to an Alliance soldier who can hold off three whole merc bands with just a sniper rifle.  Tell me about a human who can take as much punishment as any krogan, nevermind Grunt, who is genetically engineered to be better than all other krogan.  Also, Samara is obviously NOT "just another biotic", since Thane, Miranda, and Jacob all fail to do what only she and Jack can do in the suicide mission -- keep that barrier up and release a massive wave.

Sure, the Alliance has plenty of people trained to fight, hack, use biotics, etc.  They don't have anyone as GOOD as Shepard's team, and that's why he recruited them.  They were the best he could find.

Maybe not Alliance specifically, but there are definitely humans who are better engineers than any quarian. Like Scotty. He always gives her all she's got, cap'n.

[SSV Enterprise]

Yeah, but can he take a circuit board, scrap metal, and element zero have have it make precision jumps?

[Eduadinho]

Eddo why can't you accept that in the Mass Effect universe there are species that are going to be better than humanity in different areas. They have had way longer to be better. Think about it like this the best army sniper in the world could be beaten by a civilian. Just because someone is in a professional organisation doesn't mean they are the greatest. Bioware also made those characters the best because the whole game is about different species fighting off an alien menace. Play Crysis if you want to see professional human soldiers fight an alien menace.

[InvincibleHero]

annihilator27 wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

Don't know why Shep picks a ragtag group of random people he meets to join him when he already has highly trained personnel from Alliance/Cerberus. Unless skills of Alliance specialists are lacking, his team should be more of a military unit with some outside specialist tagging in occasionally.

You do know TIM picked them right?The only ones outside of that would be Legion and Morinth.

Don't forget Grunt. You were to recruit the krogan scientist Okeer instead.

@ OP
Jacob (Alliance trained) and Miranda are Cerberus agents, Shepard has Alliance background, Archangel wasn't known to be Garrus or maybe he was to IM.

Humans aren't the best at everything and the aliens have much to offer. Quarians and turians and Asari still have better tech than the new kids on the block humans. Asari are stronger in biotics without doubt. Salarian science is superior in many fields like genetic modification/germ warfare etc.

I would think TIM already tried and failed with cerberus all human expeditions. In fact, that one ship floating with husks would confirm that. It was filled with Cererus personnel IIRC.

[Element Engine]

OP is an idiot

Being professionally trained does not automatically make you the best. There are hitmen out there that can take out NAVY Seals and of course vice versa. It all depends on the individual.

Also, a crew of all military personnel would be BORING AS HELL. Diversity is a good thing and it makes for good storytelling, especially in a fantasy setting like this.

Modifié par Element Engine, 15 janvier 2011 - 09:01 .

[Gladegunner]

(mistake, double post)

Modifié par Gladegunner, 15 janvier 2011 - 10:24 .

[Gladegunner]

ure, we could have a team full of Spectres, right? (-1 because of Nihlus). However that means:

1 - Shepherd may not be able to trust his party

2 - Shepherd might as well replace each combat/tech/biotic/pure combination with entire fire teams, making up for skill, firepower and finesse with numbers.



However, each race has benefits over humanity, which are seen as the versatile of the 4 (combat/tech/biotic/pure combinations).



Salarians have much faster thought processes than humans. +1 to multiculturalism.



Asari are natural biotics, and their abundance in pure and combat against the rare examples (Subject Zero). +2 to multiculturalism.



Krogans are far more tank than humans - they have redundant organs, fluid secondary nervous systems, and 2 sets of reproductive organs (or so Garrus says).



It may not be professional, but we’d either have a strictly pro-human groups (which could have been a choice), fire teams (turning the game to loot driven RTS) or what we have now. I know I sound bias (and everyone else too) but at the end of the day, you just cant beat 4 testicles.

[Eddo36]

They're all a bunch of loose cannons.

[Sammuthegreat]

Disagree strongly with everything the OP has said. The only member who should be more professional is Zaeed. What an ass.

[Someone With Mass]

Renegades can shoot Grunt at point blank range in the face about three times, and he's still alive and kicking. I'd really like to see some Alliance soldier survive that. I'd give the guy a medal.



Also, I'd rather have a interesting multispecies crew than a bunch of Leroy Jenkins.

[Gladegunner]

Eddo36 wrote...

They're all a bunch of loose cannons.

Mate, your cannon is aimed in the wrong direction.

[Eduadinho]

you need the best of the best to win and if they are loose cannons you have to deal with it. That's where commander Shepard steps in. to make sure that he can have them as an elite fighting unit. all people brought together for the first time are going to have trouble working together. even if they could get the best alliance soldiers they would have trouble making a special team that works well together. It all comes down to the person in charge. and if he has second rate alliance soldiers bickering and first rate elite unit bickering he is going to take the elite unit.

[_Infiltrator]

Like said, boring. If ME was aiming to be something realistic, I could see that. But blasting people around with magic like abilities would like to have a word with you.

[Nightwriter]

OP, are you sort of asking, "Why did we not pick operatives who are perhaps not the best, but can work extremely well together as a team, because in intense, important strike missions, working together as a seamless unified team can be more important than individual skill and excellence."

[magnuskn]

Because a ragtag bunch of misfits will always win over an elite team of commandos.

[Eddo36]

Nightwriter wrote...

OP, are you sort of asking, "Why did we not pick operatives who are perhaps not the best, but can work extremely well together as a team, because in intense, important strike missions, working together as a seamless unified team can be more important than individual skill and excellence."

Good way of putting it. But not complete. I'm also saying that the outsiders can't be much better than the best of Alliance personnel.

[Eddo36]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Renegades can shoot Grunt at point blank range in the face about three times, and he's still alive and kicking. I'd really like to see some Alliance soldier survive that. I'd give the guy a medal.

What can Grunt do that a YMIR mech can't?

[Someone With Mass]

Well, mechs can't think outside the box. And I don't think they can take down thresher maws either.



Also, as many stated before, it'd be very boring to have a bunch of commandos and mechs.