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[Eddo36]

Just put a Shepard VI in one of the mechs. Simple.

[GnusmasTHX]

Some reason this thread reminded me of how Jenkins died (and Jenkins himself), then I lol'd at "highly trained personnel from the Alliance"

[Eddo36]

GnusmasTHX wrote...

Some reason this thread reminded me of how Jenkins died (and Jenkins himself), then I lol'd at "highly trained personnel from the Alliance"

The Geth fire ripped through Jenkin's shield, but it somehow couldn't rip through Shep's or Kaiden's or Ashley's shields.

Modifié par Eddo36, 15 janvier 2011 - 12:44 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Eddo36 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

OP, are you sort of asking, "Why did we not pick operatives who are perhaps not the best, but can work extremely well together as a team, because in intense, important strike missions, working together as a seamless unified team can be more important than individual skill and excellence."

Good way of putting it. But not complete. I'm also saying that the outsiders can't be much better than the best of Alliance personnel.

Eddo, I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate an Alliance operative that is better than ANY of Shepard's squad at what they do.

As for what Grunt can do that a YMIR can't: A.  Think intelligently.  B.  Operate without the need of power cells C.  Move much more nimbly.  D.  Fit inside the Kodiak.

[Eddo36]

Other than they have the best training money could buy?

[james1976]

Money doesn't get you every thing. Some things you can't buy.

[Eduadinho]

I am going to point you in the direction of Starship Troopers. They were humanity's space force and they sucked. Most infantry are going to have basic training and nothing else. Also even if they have the best training EARTH can buy doesn't mean that this is better than individuals or other species militaries.
Honestly what is with this fixation that earth is the best at everything other things are allowed to be better than us.

Modifié par Eduadinho, 15 janvier 2011 - 07:04 .

[Eddo36]

Because of Shepard. Shepard's from human military. He's not even the best since he was only a Lieutenant Commander.

Modifié par Eddo36, 15 janvier 2011 - 10:41 .

[Sammuthegreat]

Eddo36 wrote...

Because of Shepard. Shepard's from human military. He's not even the best since he was only a Lieutenant Commander.

I'll bite... How old are you? Just because he's a Lieutenant Commander doesn't mean he's not the most gifted. Everyone's got to start somewhere, after all the highest ranked Field Marshalls were still Privates once, and when you get high enough in rank you tend to get there through politics more than skill.

In any case, the whole - yes, the ENTIRE - point of Mass Effect is that Shepard is a one of a kind. He is far from a good example of the Alliance's training standards, because there is no one else like him. By default. If everyone else were as good as him because the Alliance could train people to be that good, the game would be entirely different. This is Shepard's story, he is the best, despite the fact that humans in general are fairly ordinary.

[SSV Enterprise]

Eddo36 wrote...

Other than they have the best training money could buy?

Ok, then prove that Alliance training can get them to be that good. 

Really, even if the Alliance does have operatives that are as good as Shepard's team, they are likely busy doing there own stuff that Cerberus has no power over, and they would be just as hard, if not harder, to recruit.

Eddo36 wrote...

Because of Shepard. Shepard's from human military. He's not even the best since he was only a Lieutenant Commander.

=_=

Do know of another man/woman who's fought off a whole platoon by himself/survived a thresher maw attack/wiped out a pirate base and then prevented invasion of the galaxy by a race of sentient starships that's done this hundreds of times?

No one has declared Shepard to be the best.  He proved by his actions that he IS the best.  If every Alliance soldier was like Shepard, humans would be made Spectres left and right.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 15 janvier 2011 - 11:54 .

[Eddo36]

Toombs survived thresher maw attack, too. Anyone can take out baddies since the good guys always win in fiction (Jacob did that lots in Mass Effect Galaxy). And only a 2-bit commander sends 3/4 of his/her men to death doing the dirty work. Shepard just another human with nothing more than N7 combat training and a little bit of charisma. Like Anderson and Kai Leng and other N7's. If council sent another N7 on that stopping Sovereign mission instead of Shep, they'd probably pass or do even better. Was Alliance fleet that killed Sovereign, not Shep. Shep is only another human N7, and a bit of a loose cannon of one, too. Illusive Man said he didn't bring him back for his skill (N7 and charisma), but just because he's a celebrity (icon). Even other races scared of humanity's rapid rise since first encounter.

Modifié par Eddo36, 16 janvier 2011 - 06:52 .

[SSV Enterprise]

TIM chose Shepard because he's...a celebrity?



"I've never seen a better leader".

So the man who has survived countless missions against impossible odds and saved the galaxy and humanity multiple times and is just getting started...isn't anything special?

Toombs didn't really "survive" by his own merits, he was recovered by Cerberus. Jacob took on pirates but that's different than taking out the central pirate base in the whole Terminus Systems. NO ONE measures up to Shepard. He didn't receive any better training than other N7s, true. But he proves he was better than everyone else because of his accomplishments.

Remember, Shepard was put forward by Nihlus as a Spectre candidate because he did in fact stick out from the rest. If all N7 operatives were like Shepard, the Council would be falling over themselves trying to get more human Spectres.

Modifié par SSV Enterprise, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:00 .

[AdmiralCheez]

OP: You want a team of Jacobs?



Really?

[Eddo36]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

TIM chose Shepard because he's...a celebrity?



"I've never seen a better leader".

So the man who has survived countless missions against impossible odds and saved the galaxy and humanity multiple times and is just getting started...isn't anything special?

Toombs didn't really "survive" by his own merits, he was recovered by Cerberus. Jacob took on pirates but that's different than taking out the central pirate base in the whole Terminus Systems. NO ONE measures up to Shepard. He didn't receive any better training than other N7s, true. But he proves he was better than everyone else because of his accomplishments.

Remember, Shepard was put forward by Nihlus as a Spectre candidate because he did in fact stick out from the rest. If all N7 operatives were like Shepard, the Council would be falling over themselves trying to get more human Spectres.

Actually Anderson would have been Spectre but Saren sabotaged in Revelation. And yes not everyone gets to be in the right place and time to save the galaxy. Doesn't take much skill. Shepard is only human. And TIM did say that it wasn't his skill when Shep first meets him, but because he's an icon.

Modifié par Eddo36, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:10 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Yeah, Saren made it look like it was Anderson's fault. Saren did much the same thing with Shepard, evading blame himself. Only Shepard managed to find the evidence incriminating Saren. So Shepard was better than Anderson.



And no, TIM does not say Shepard is an icon. Miranda does. Get your facts straight. And even then, it doesn't somehow prove that Shepard is normal. How did he get that celebrity status in the first place, after all? By:



Doing one of three incredible things

Getting around Saren's trickery and incriminating him

Taking down a powerful asari matriarch

Killing an ancient mind-raping cthulu-plant.

Blowing up a breeding ground full of tank-bred krogan

Figuring out just what the Reapers are and how to stop them.

Taking down the best Spectre in the galaxy, who are supposed to be the best operatives in the galaxy in the first place.



How is any of that normal? He wasn't just "in the right place at the right time". He killed some cats who would have slaughtered anyone who was just "normal".

[Rogue Unit]

I guess taking down a Reaper and the council's best agent twice and having a ****load of other amazing accomplishments only qualifies you as being average. Go figure.

Maybe once Shepard beats a Reaper in hand-to-hand combat with a broken wrist  Eddo will consider him slightly above average maybe?

Modifié par Rogue Unit, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:35 .

[Stupidus]

ME1 didn't really have the most formal team either with Wrex on board but he was the only crazy, and a tame Krogan if you've ever seen one.

[Eddo36]

SSV Enterprise wrote...

Yeah, Saren made it look like it was Anderson's fault. Saren did much the same thing with Shepard, evading blame himself. Only Shepard managed to find the evidence incriminating Saren. So Shepard was better than Anderson.

And no, TIM does not say Shepard is an icon. Miranda does. Get your facts straight. And even then, it doesn't somehow prove that Shepard is normal. How did he get that celebrity status in the first place, after all? By:

Doing one of three incredible things
Getting around Saren's trickery and incriminating him
Taking down a powerful asari matriarch
Killing an ancient mind-raping cthulu-plant.
Blowing up a breeding ground full of tank-bred krogan
Figuring out just what the Reapers are and how to stop them.
Taking down the best Spectre in the galaxy, who are supposed to be the best operatives in the galaxy in the first place.

How is any of that normal? He wasn't just "in the right place at the right time". He killed some cats who would have slaughtered anyone who was just "normal".

When you first talk to TIM and pick the "Why me?" dialogue option, he tells you it was because you're an icon. My facts are straight. Gets yours. Then you can say what it proves.

Anyways it's all normal because Shepard is only human. Mentally and physically, he doesn't have any non-human advantage over another human being.

Modifié par Eddo36, 16 janvier 2011 - 07:45 .

[SSV Enterprise]

Like Usain Bolt is just human. Like Stephen Hawking is just human. Like Bill Gates is just human. They must not have any advantage over their fellow humans.



Oh wait...

[Eddo36]

I added "non-human" advantages.

[SSV Enterprise]

Same difference. However you put it, Shepard is not average or normal, for a human or otherwise.

[Eddo36]

Not average, but still only human 100%.

[SSV Enterprise]

...I think you lost your point at the station where your train of thought departed.

[Eddo36]

Not really. Unlike Miranda, Shep wasn't modified.