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[Slayer299]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh yes. That slipped my mind then. So perhaps they do have hereditary surnames? But still more than half the Asari introduced already are known only by a single (given) name. The only Asari name that has obvious genetic connotation is in the case of Dahlia Dantius and her sister Nassana Dantius.[/b]

I agree about the surnames, but it does make it even more confusing given that some have only a first name and others have a surname as well, because which is the norm then?

[Skyblade012]

The wiki says that Asari "appear" to drop their name when they become Matriarchs.



Truthfully, I think we lack sufficient evidence about the Asari to form a solid decision on their last names. We only learn the last names of a couple, but those we learn are from the Asari we know best throughout the course of the games. They were important enough for a full introduction. As for the last names or letters being honorifics, I'm not sure about that. The one title we know that the Asari do use, Matriarch, is used quite differently.

[didymos1120]

ME Wiki is pretty good most of the time, but the trivia sections are woefully unsourced and often read like someone's edited in their little pet theory. They're best taken with anything from a grain of salt up to a salt lick.

[PauseforEffect]

Names are curious; They convey a subtle impression from the sounds made when spoken. A culture can be judged by the structure and intricacy of the syllables and can be guessed as to the mindset of the people if you are willing to interpret it that way. Asari names tend to be soft and roll on the tongue like the graceful nature the other races attribute to them. Krogan names are brutal, short, and coarse to say. Just like their nature. Turian names are finicky in spelling yet efficient enough to be pronounced. A Salarian's full name is as hard to understand and remember as a conversation with one. All of them describe the races' characteristics in some way however you interpret

[GuardianAngel470]

Notho wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Many interesting theories and observations here. The T many asari names beins with could also be a title, like a military or university rank. Liara is a professor (or something similar) in extinct civilisations so T'soni may mean something like professor or scholar Soni.

I love this theory, except that I doubt Aria T'Loak is any sort of scholar. I do think there's a high possibily that T' is some sort of acquired title/rank.

Thank you. Good point about Aria. But many real life scholars reach high political positions and still keeps their titles as it looks good so I think that may be the case of Aria too.

Also remember that asari live for a very long time. Aria could have been some kind of scientist or scholar before becoming the ruler of Omega.

I doubt this very much. She is way, way, way too secretive to keep something as specific as this in the name that everyone uses to describe her.

Eventually, some asari would tell a salarian what it means and that salarian would tell his uncle in the STG and that uncle would cross reference all the asari in scholarly positions that fit Aria's personality type and then it would be a simple matter of process of elimination.

Way too easy to find her identity.

[didymos1120]

Re: Aria. She tells you flat out that she's "had a few names". Whatever "T'loak" is supposed to indicate, the fact remains that "Aria" made it up.

[General User]

Slayer299 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...
Oh yes. That slipped my mind then. So perhaps they do have hereditary surnames? But still more than half the Asari introduced already are known only by a single (given) name. The only Asari name that has obvious genetic connotation is in the case of Dahlia Dantius and her sister Nassana Dantius.[/b]

I agree about the surnames, but it does make it even more confusing given that some have only a first name and others have a surname as well, because which is the norm then?

Now that I think about it, it really wouldn’t be that unusual for the ‘Dantius’ NOT to be a family name, but rather a place name.
 
I mean, sticking with the Greek theme, “Dantius” could be being used in the same way as the Greeks might have used “of Athens”. So they would be Dahlia “of Dantius” and Nasana “of Danitus” just dropping the “of” in casual usage. It only makes sense that siblings would be from the same city or town.
 
This seems to make sense if you combine the ideas of English style titles of marital status in terms of “T’” and “L’”, with Greek style epithets.
 
For example, assuming Liara is from the town of Soni (and that “Soni” is not a personally descriptor); “Liara T’Soni” would translate as: Liara, the unmarried woman from Soni. Were Liara ever to get married, her name would become “Liara L’Soni”, which would translate as: Liara, the married woman from Soni.  

Modifié par General User, 15 janvier 2011 - 04:06 .

[General User]

How’s this for an idea about turians: 

Turians have levels of citizenship, right? So in marriages between turians at different levels the naming convention follows that they ‘always marry up’ without regard to gender.
 
So if a turian man from a lower level of citizenship married a turian woman (assuming such creatures even exist) from a higher level of citizenship, he would take her surname, and vice versa.

[ScorpSt]

I was thinking, maybe Asari didn't have last names before coming into contact with other races. The sheer number of Asari that don't have last names (especially among Matriarchs) is because Asari only recently (from an Asari perspective) started giving their children last names, either to honor the "father" of the child, or simply because they think it's neat.

[mineralica]

1. May the choice between T' and L' depends on the first letter of following part? Because T'Tanas both looks and pronounces in awkward way.

2. Samara's daughter Falere apparently has name not ending on "a". It's an exception from tradition or simply not a name? (e.g. nickname)

3. If T' or L' means "unmarried", then we have a married SpeCTRE Tela Vasir

[Hyper Cutter]

xlavaina wrote...

I wonder how they named themselves before their war with the Geth.

Presumably the "Given Name'Clan Name Place of Birth Place Living Now" scheme is very old, and originally referred to cities or towns on Rannoch (and eventually to nations or even colonized planets as their civilization expanded). Then they simply adapted it after the Morning War.

Modifié par Hyper Cutter, 15 janvier 2011 - 07:25 .

[Nhani]

Speaking of Quarians, am I the only one who found it sort of odd how Tali referred to Shala'raan vas Tonbay as "auntie Raan" on one occasion? It definitely flows better off the tongue, and I can see how it makes sense, but it always struck me as weird that she'd call her "aunt "

It's probably just an aside and a personal nickname though, seeing how she calls her by Shala or her full name otherwise.

[Prince Keldar]

xlavaina wrote...

I'll explain Quarians for you. Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya, for example:

Tali is her first name. Zorah is her clan name. Neema is the name of the ship she has pledged to serve on after pilgrimage, and Rayya is the name of her birth ship.
 

I may have not noticed it before but in ME1, wasn't Tali's name Tali'Zorah nar Rayya and in ME2 her name was Tali"Zorah vas Neema?

I have always assumed that prior to the Pilgrimage they took the name of their "birth ship" if you will.  After they complete it they take the name of the Ship they join.

"nar" I have thought denoted youth and "vas" denoted adulthood.

Maybe I missed something, I don't know.

[mineralica]

Prince Keldar wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

I'll explain Quarians for you. Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya, for example:

Tali is her first name. Zorah is her clan name. Neema is the name of the ship she has pledged to serve on after pilgrimage, and Rayya is the name of her birth ship.
 

I may have not noticed it before but in ME1, wasn't Tali's name Tali'Zorah nar Rayya and in ME2 her name was Tali"Zorah vas Neema?

I have always assumed that prior to the Pilgrimage they took the name of their "birth ship" if you will.  After they complete it they take the name of the Ship they join.

"nar" I have thought denoted youth and "vas" denoted adulthood.

Maybe I missed something, I don't know.

"nar" for ship quarian was born onto and "vas" for ship which became his home after Pilgrimage. In official cases they seem to use both - as Tali while docking to Rayya at her loyalty mission names herself as "Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya"

[Prince Keldar]

mineralica wrote...

Prince Keldar wrote...

xlavaina wrote...

I'll explain Quarians for you. Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya, for example:

Tali is her first name. Zorah is her clan name. Neema is the name of the ship she has pledged to serve on after pilgrimage, and Rayya is the name of her birth ship.
 

I may have not noticed it before but in ME1, wasn't Tali's name Tali'Zorah nar Rayya and in ME2 her name was Tali"Zorah vas Neema?

I have always assumed that prior to the Pilgrimage they took the name of their "birth ship" if you will.  After they complete it they take the name of the Ship they join.

"nar" I have thought denoted youth and "vas" denoted adulthood.

Maybe I missed something, I don't know.

"nar" for ship quarian was born onto and "vas" for ship which became his home after Pilgrimage. In official cases they seem to use both - as Tali while docking to Rayya at her loyalty mission names herself as "Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya"

oh ok I don't remember Tali using nar Rayya then.

[didymos1120]

mineralica wrote...
"nar" for ship quarian was born onto and "vas" for ship which became his home after Pilgrimage. In official cases they seem to use both - as Tali while docking to Rayya at her loyalty mission names herself as "Tali'Zorah vas Neema nar Rayya"

Exactly.  If translated, it would be "Tali of Clan Zorah, crew of the Neema, child of the Rayya."

[lovgreno]

General User wrote...

How’s this for an idea about turians: 

Turians have levels of citizenship, right? So in marriages between turians at different levels the naming convention follows that they ‘always marry up’ without regard to gender.
 
So if a turian man from a lower level of citizenship married a turian woman (assuming such creatures even exist) from a higher level of citizenship, he would take her surname, and vice versa.

That would be a way to bypass the citisen tier system and would thus be misused and to exploit the system for personal gain is against the turian morale code. Therefore I suspect marriage is not a common way of "marrying up" among turians compared to humans.

Of course female turians exist! Please BioWare, make them exist in ME3. Pretty please.

[General User]

An individual turian wouldn't actually change their citizenship level through marriage.

It's just an indicator of who would be considered the senior partner in the eyes of the law.

Social values refelected in marriage customs so to speak.

Modifié par General User, 16 janvier 2011 - 02:36 .

[lovgreno]

True, I should have read waht you wrote more carefully. My bad.

[lovgreno]

Good point iOnlySignIn.

The turian tier system is, at least in theory, not about who are superiour but rather a way to give everyone the place where they can contribute best to the turian society. This seems to work well in situations like work. Kind of how we like real life humans have similar systems, even though it's not politicaly correct among us to admit it. Our roles change when we come home from work though, from the boss to the father for example, no reason to assume it should be different for turians.